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artosismermaid
213 Posts
On August 09 2012 07:46 jdsowa wrote: When your race is favored for a year and a half, you don't need buffs. im sick of this logic, it should be bannable imo. so because one race is too strong for a period of time, even while they were constantly being nerfed because of it, they don't deserve to be a balanced race? | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On August 09 2012 07:46 jdsowa wrote: When your race is favored for a year and a half, you don't need buffs. Terran hasn't been favoured for over 6 months. I'd say since the EMP nerf and to some extent the Snipe nerf Terran has been slightly underpowered, if anything. Probably around even, though. | ||
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Rorschach
United States623 Posts
On August 09 2012 07:33 Primal666 wrote: i agree!! they should tottaly reward creep spreading less! I also love people comparing infestor to raven, like your whole army consists only of those two. PvZ its not uncommon to see 20+ infestors in the field.... Also zergs are building more queens after the range buff so spreading creep should not be an issue. | ||
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
On August 09 2012 07:46 sevencck wrote: Not really, you should still have the creep vital to holding the all in, it will simply not spread accross the map as quickly. And actually, the patch doesn't effect single creep tumor spread much at all. A single creep tumor will never have spread creep its full range 8 when it's ready to pop out a new tumor. The range 6 nerf is only really for when you have mass tumors, which spread creep together, that reach their range 8 together well before the cooldown for a new tumor is ready. I don't see 3-4 tumors going out in every direction at the 8 min mark in a ZvP. | ||
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Shade_FR
France378 Posts
Classic Natural Ramp : http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1166/naturalw.jpg Big Ramp : http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/5838/ramp1.jpg Big Ramp 2 : http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/6675/ramp2r.jpg Spreading creep on Tal'darim Altar and Cloud Kingdom was hard enough, I guess it will be as difficult on all the maps with this new change.  | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On August 09 2012 07:49 nkr wrote: And actually, the patch doesn't effect single creep tumor spread much at all. A single creep tumor will never have spread creep its full range 8 when it's ready to pop out a new tumor. The range 6 nerf is only really for when you have mass tumors, which spread creep together, that reach their range 8 together well before the cooldown for a new tumor is ready. I don't see 3-4 tumors going out in every direction at the 8 min mark in a ZvP. Pretty much this. Zergs don't tend to focus on Creep Spread as much in PvZ, so there don't tend to be as many Tumors to begin with. On August 09 2012 07:50 Shade_CsT wrote: For those who want what does the nerf looks like... it's definitely not a small nerf, you'll have to waste some cooldowns of creep tumor to place them on the edges of ramps... Classic Natural Ramp : http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1166/naturalw.jpg Big Ramp : http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/5838/ramp1.jpg Big Ramp 2 : http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/6675/ramp2r.jpg Spreading creep on Tal'darim Altar and Cloud Kingdom was hard enough, I guess it will be as difficult on all the maps with this new change. I'd say this is actually a good thing. Setting Creep Spread back a tad at the start means it won't be QUITE as far by the midgame, which is good, since it was truly ridiculous for Zerg's who had the APM to keep it going. | ||
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bellsNkeys
United States52 Posts
On August 09 2012 06:21 Whitewing wrote: Roaches aren't even a consideration, they're just BAD. And you're just making shit up at this point, I'm not discussing this with you anymore. Until you can figure out that 12 ghosts (24 supply) is not 1/3 of your army supply (if your army is a whopping 72 supply total, you've got other problems besides composition), trying to discuss anything with you is a waste of time. It kind of annoys me that ever since Zerg players found out the infestor was an amazing unit, all of a sudden everything else is bad. And when Terran found out that mass ghost late game TvZ was good it gets nerfed to hell. Correct me if I'm wrong, but last I checked Zerg players have won numerous tournaments and GSLs with muta/ling/bling in ZvT and there have been no significant Terran buff nor Zerg nerfs that affect the muta/ling/bling composition. My main issue with ghosts is that they're more situational whereas Z and P can blindly make infestors and sentries/HTs and it will always help them. The good thing is that Blizzard at least tried to give the Raven that role as well, but failed pretty hard at it. | ||
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oxxo
988 Posts
Creep change... we'll see. The queen range buff seriously needs to go more than anything. Not sure why Blizzard seems hellbent on keeping that change even through the massive negative feedback from both us and pros. | ||
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
Wonder if the sick ammount of zergs / low ammount of terrans advancing in the WCS tourneys has something to do with this patch (and the future ones ?). When you think about it, how much of a failure would it be if their very own global final was filled by one race ? Poor publicity, especially when you're trying to seduce the chinese market. | ||
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zmansman17
United States2567 Posts
On August 09 2012 07:46 jdsowa wrote: When your race is favored for a year and a half, you don't need buffs. How was Terran favored for a year and a half? The win rates from this time are much closer to exactly even than they have been in the last 3 months. | ||
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
On August 09 2012 07:53 oxxo wrote: Raven change is nice. Creep change... we'll see. The queen range buff seriously needs to go more than anything. Not sure why Blizzard seems hellbent on keeping that change even through the massive negative feedback from both us and pros. You mean the terran pros and the terran amateurs? The queen range makes it so that terran doesnt lock you inside your base with 4 hellions, and then kills you with allins you'll never scout without map presensce. I think it's working as intended. The side effect was the massive creep spread, but that is what they're trying to fix it seems. | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On August 09 2012 07:56 nkr wrote: You mean the terran pros and the terran amateurs? The queen range makes it so that terran doesnt lock you inside your base with 4 hellions, and then kills you with allins you'll never scout without map presensce. I think it's working as intended. The side effect was the massive creep spread, but that is what they're trying to fix it seems. I kinda feel like the Overlord speed buff would have helped against those all-ins on its own, to be honest. | ||
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chuDr3t4
Russian Federation484 Posts
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
On August 09 2012 07:21 Rye. wrote: sigh. Raven buffs wont make any difference. Fungal + corruptors mean ravens just die. Far too expensive. Creep will be better at lower leagues, but if you've got loads of tumors all going simultaneously then it wont make a difference. Actually, when you've got loads of tumors all going simultaneously is the only time it makes a difference. A single creep tumor going at once doesn't spread creep 10 squares by the time you can plant a new tumor anyway, so the range difference doesn't matter. But with several going at once, the creep spreads faster, so you would actually be able to place all your new tumors 10 squares away. Now that maxes out at 8, which slows down the maximum speed of creep spread. Then the maximum speed can only be increased by using ovies to drop creep and plant tumors on it, but zergs have generally not been willing to make that investment. | ||
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starception
205 Posts
On August 09 2012 07:46 jdsowa wrote: When your race is favored for a year and a half, you don't need buffs. No, you are wrong. Terran players have just been the better players. | ||
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BeeNu
615 Posts
On August 09 2012 07:54 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: Raven gets better against a now weaker creep spread, but will still be garbage in a fighting situation. Wonder if the sick ammount of zergs / low ammount of terrans advancing in the WCS tourneys has something to do with this patch (and the future ones ?). When you think about it, how much of a failure would it be if their very own global final was filled by one race ? Poor publicity, especially when you're trying to seduce the chinese market. I know you may find this hard to believe but Ravens are actually quite good in late game battles and are far from garbage in fighting situations. I'm glad this patch is happening, it might be just the incentive Terrans need to finally start using the Raven, some Terrans already do but most still haven't caught on yet. | ||
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
On August 09 2012 07:57 Shiori wrote: I kinda feel like the Overlord speed buff would have helped against those all-ins on its own, to be honest. No, not vs terran it wouldn't. | ||
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Riquiz
Netherlands402 Posts
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
On August 09 2012 07:57 chuDr3t4 wrote: Do they really think HSM is better/cooler than Irradiate? tbh, irradiate was a pain in the ass. It's an absolute spell, there is no way to counter it meanwhile you can micro against HSM and it provides some sort of suspens/tense moments for the spectators. HSM is worse but has better potential than irradiate. | ||
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xbito
Peru6 Posts
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