EPTCall To Action: Balance Testing TvZ. - Page 12
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Pobearo
United States351 Posts
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larse
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I'm Terran. | ||
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Fig
United States1324 Posts
On August 09 2012 07:08 zmansman17 wrote: Fig this doesn't address the most important issues so its value is in question. 1) Ravens still cannot cast whilst being fungaled 2) Fungal outranges HSM First of all, Ravens can indeed cast while fungaled. Fungal only shuts down things like siege and blink. They can still place down pdds or auto turrets. Second, fungal outranging HSM is not the end of the story. Terran happens to have the ghost, which has the longest range spells in the game. And 2 of those spells (snipe and EMP) just so happen to perfectly counter the infestor (while outranging fungal). I don't believe that these buffs will change everything. I don't believe they will do much except remind terrans that ravens exist. But I say take them because at least Blizzard is trying to fix your problems. Don't get me started on the Carrier. | ||
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Rye.
United Kingdom88 Posts
Creep will be better at lower leagues, but if you've got loads of tumors all going simultaneously then it wont make a difference. My Thoughts... Make broodlords take 6 supply instead of 4. Battlecruiser. 6 supply Thor 6 supply Collosus 6 supply Carrier 6 supply Mothership 8 supply Ultralisk 6 supply Broodlord..... 4 supply .....WTF!!! | ||
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SonKiE
United States167 Posts
On August 09 2012 07:21 Rye. wrote: sigh. Raven buffs wont make any difference. Fungal + corruptors mean ravens just die. Far too expensive. Creep will be better at lower leagues, but if you've got loads of tumors all going simultaneously then it wont make a difference. My Thoughts... Make broodlords take 6 supply instead of 4. Battlecruiser. 6 supply Thor 6 supply Collosus 6 supply Carrier 6 supply Mothership 8 supply Ultralisk 6 supply Broodlord..... 4 supply .....WTF!!! Actually, when you point this out it seems like a really great idea. | ||
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starception
205 Posts
edit On August 09 2012 07:22 SonKiE wrote: Actually, when you point this out it seems like a really great idea. Corruptors are two supply. Then morphing into Brood Lords adds 4 more. That makes 6 supply total after morphing the Corruptors into Brood Lords. | ||
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AndreiDaGiant
United States394 Posts
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
 ) this does seem reasonable, seing as how absurdly well good pro Zs are being able to goop up the map.As for the Raven buff, I have no clue. | ||
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YyapSsap
New Zealand1511 Posts
:D The speed buff maybe good but because of the HSM range and very slow cast animations, these ravens tend to die when they get close to the enemy to cast the spell off. Thats the problem with ravens. Spending 200gas for a 50/50 chance of getting 100dmg AOE attack off once. The chances of survival in a big engagement is normally 1%. PDDs can be good sometimes but it isn't helpful outside a few scenarios. And Ravens can cast when they are fungal-ed btw. | ||
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FatBat
Germany326 Posts
On August 09 2012 07:22 starception wrote: Typical Blizzard...no Protoss hot fixes. I really don't know what they have against the Protoss race to make it last in everything. For example, Legacy of the Void comes out last. The observer buildtime buff came along with the queen change. But anyways i wonder how this will change the creep problem and the late game | ||
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zmansman17
United States2567 Posts
the HSM range, the huge gas cost of the unit itself and the high energy cost for HSM | ||
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Killcani
Sweden448 Posts
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On August 09 2012 07:20 Fig wrote: Second, fungal outranging HSM is not the end of the story. Terran happens to have the ghost, which has the longest range spells in the game. And 2 of those spells (snipe and EMP) just so happen to perfectly counter the infestor (while outranging fungal). It so happens too that human beings do not have infinite apm to micro Marines + Ghosts + Ravens + Tanks at the same time. No doubt a bot with infinite apm would do wonders with Ravens + Ghosts, but reality is a bit different. | ||
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TitleRug
United States651 Posts
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speknek
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Gescom
Canada3509 Posts
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mlspmatt
Canada404 Posts
Wow, maybe the folks at Blizzard are listening | ||
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Fig
United States1324 Posts
On August 09 2012 07:27 TheDwf wrote: It so happens too that human beings do not have infinite apm to micro Marines + Ghosts + Ravens + Tanks at the same time. No doubt a bot with infinite apm would do wonders with Ravens + Ghosts, but reality is a bit different. Yes everyone has to micro. If you didn't the game would be boring. You are basically saying that you have all the tools to get the job done, you just need practice. You're supposed to be glad that Terran has the highest skill ceiling. | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
I like the Raven buffs, but I feel like the problem is still going to be HSM taking a lot of energy and opening you up to Fungals. Still, at least they're looking in the right place. So yeah...decent effort, but they're being a little too optimistic with there not being "problems" in the matchups. PvZ is shit and everyone agrees with this. Even supposing it's totally balanced (which is somewhat plausible given winrates) it's just a horrible, shallow, predictable matchup. TvZ has other issues too, like it having become way too late-game oriented rather than having an exciting midgame like pre-patch. I guess PvT is getting a lot better with time, though. I dunno. I understand if they think tweaks are sufficient for TvZ right now since the Queen buff wasn't that long ago. But I really can't, as a Protoss player, understand how they think Archon Toilets and 2 base all-ins are interesting, all balance aside. I mean, how many people were super bored at NASL when it was PvZ after PvZ? I don't think that would have happened in pre-patch TvZ, because every game was different. Please don't take my disappointment in this regard as balance whine. It's a design thing more than anything. It's stupid seeing Zergs lose to Archon Toilets and it's stupid seeing Protoss players rely on them, because both sides know it's basically a crapshoot no matter what happens. I'd really like to see Blizzard address that, or at least try to introduce some variety into the matchup pre-HotS. | ||
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