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Jono7272
United Kingdom6330 Posts
On August 09 2012 06:57 Thrombozyt wrote: Yep, you have really understood the problem with the raven..... NOT! All the used damaging abilities have a casting range of 9. That means every spell except HSM. Now take a wild guess, why HSM is NOT used as much? That, and the energy cost.. | ||
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Jarree
Finland1004 Posts
On August 09 2012 06:50 xrapture wrote: Currently, infestors are cheaper than Ravens, take less time to build, have upgrades that take less time to research and are cheaper, are faster, can use fungal immediately when made, and have fungal which is more range than hsm. Oh yea, not to mention they can burrow, many can be built at once, and they are good against all unit compositions in the game. But.. but.. raven can fly | ||
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Eps
Canada240 Posts
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dakalro
Romania525 Posts
Not sure ravens will be useful even with these changes, they might but going to 6 range from infestors is about certain death nowadays. | ||
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IcedBacon
Canada906 Posts
On August 09 2012 06:57 Thrombozyt wrote: Yep, you have really understood the problem with the raven..... NOT! All the used damaging abilities have a casting range of 9. That means every spell except HSM. Now take a wild guess, why HSM is NOT used as much? HSM is also the hardest spell to micro against. | ||
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Masada714
United States89 Posts
The raven change is interesting as well and I'm wondering how Terrans will use it now. I'm just hoping this doesn't have the same effect that the Queen range buff did and now it will be used all the time or players will go back to the 1/1/1 which might be hard to hold off again. I guess we will see what happens. | ||
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Mentalizor
Denmark1596 Posts
Terran players want to use ravens, but they can be hard to control - so this might be a great fix ... and TvZ seems to require a ton of scans to slow creep down. So slowing it down a bit might be good | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
I'm assuming their reasoning for tweaking the speed (which was one thing everyone including myself suggested) is to see if it makes it better and allows Terrans to retain their ravens more often after "diving in" for HSMs. Any buff at this point helps TvZ to be honest...after months are they finally acknowledging a problem? I'm not sure if I'm dreaming right now. Maybe I'm still in the movie theatre watching inception. Hope some change goes through though...I doubt anyone will believe they are buffing Terran in any way since there are no bunker changes  | ||
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Neurosis
United States893 Posts
The energy cost is the worst offender by far. | ||
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GenesisX
Canada4267 Posts
Overall, these changes are pretty fair. I think Terran players will have a much easier time manoevering their ravens to dodge fungals now, and it should be pretty much balanced out thanks to fungal disrupting spell casting. Still gonna have to see how it plays into the game before making conclusions though. | ||
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Thrombozyt
Germany1269 Posts
On August 09 2012 07:01 IcedBacon wrote: HSM is also the hardest spell to micro against. Actually, I'd even say HSM is the easiest spell to micro against. You get a visual which unit is targeted and you just have to run this unit for a potential 100% dmg evasion. You take WAY more dmg from storm (you take full dmg from fungal anyhow), because you take the initial damage and then the indirect damage of your units running and not firing. With HSM only 1 unit doesn't fire. | ||
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Grapefruit
Germany439 Posts
On August 09 2012 07:01 IcedBacon wrote: HSM is also the hardest spell to micro against. You're being ironic, right? | ||
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envisioN .
United States552 Posts
On August 09 2012 07:01 IcedBacon wrote: HSM is also the hardest spell to micro against. Wouldn't fungal be the hardest because it is impossible to micro when your units are fungaled? | ||
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Eps
Canada240 Posts
On August 09 2012 07:01 IcedBacon wrote: HSM is also the hardest spell to micro against. That's a very odd thing to say. With SM, you can atleast Micro against it. The unit can be picked out, albeit a very difficult task to accomplish. The unit can also be FG and Feedbacked at 9 Range versus it's 6. With Fungal Growth..what Micro? FG prevents Micro of Air/Ground. I'm not saying that Raven's SM needs to be buffed to Range 9, but making it at Range 7 would at least make it a bit easier to Cast with. | ||
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Fig
United States1324 Posts
It's a buff! Take it! Hopefully this will encourage more use of ravens, giving Blizzard more gameplay to be able to diagnose any other problems. | ||
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Thrombozyt
Germany1269 Posts
On August 09 2012 07:04 Neurosis wrote: The energy cost is the worst offender by far. I rather have a 125 energy spell that I can use than a 75 energy spell that i cannot use because my ravens are fungaled with no available targets. | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On August 09 2012 07:01 IcedBacon wrote: HSM is also the hardest spell to micro against. So its easier to micro against a spell which has no cast animation or projectile and prevents movements? Some of the comments here are just really silly. Anyway, I like the patch. Yeah it seems Zergs are slowly becoming weak again in the metagame, but Zergs were powerhouses a few weeks ago. I really think it's just a matter of the metagame evolving and eventually Zergs will find answers to Terrans again. These changes are not really that big in my opinion. The creep nerf might be a bit too much but again, I think it'll only be a matter of time till Zergs adapt, much like Terrans had to after the previous patch. | ||
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zmansman17
United States2567 Posts
On August 09 2012 07:01 IcedBacon wrote: HSM is also the hardest spell to micro against. Is this a joke? I have had people taunt me by running their units in circles on patrol command. | ||
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Mentalizor
Denmark1596 Posts
Waiting almost 2 (ingame) minutes for creep to disappear after either ovie or tumor seems a bit too much, honestly. But in every case that doesn't involve expanding I don't think it's a strong feature | ||
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zmansman17
United States2567 Posts
On August 09 2012 07:06 pdd wrote: So its easier to micro against a spell which has no cast animation or projectile and prevents movements? I think pdd wins the argument. | ||
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