On August 05 2012 15:21 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: As an online company, doesn't that make them a globalized entity by default since anyone can access them? By sponsoring the first season of OSL, they may be trying to gain international exposure while simulatenous capitalizing on the remaining korean OSL interest from the end of the BW era. If OSL SC2 succeeds in Korea, they already have a business relationship developed with KeSPA, if it fails, then sponsoring subsequent seasons would actually be worse for them because now they both lost any residual hype from the BW era and do not have clear growth potential in the SC2 era. Its definitely a gamble, but it could pay off.
As for sponsoring BW OSL. I am not sure but even though BW (and thus the OSL) was more popular then SC2, the increased Korean exposure from BW versus SC2 may not have been enough to trump the international exposure the next season will likely have.
*EDIT* They also may have been able to secure a more favorable deal for themselves due to the experimental nature of the next season and the shift to a different game. Stronger negotiating power.
More favorable how? A league costs what it does to run no matter what the situation surrounding it may be. You can even argue that a SC2 league would cost more since you need better computers and stuff to play the game. It's not like kespa can give them a discount.
What are you expecting to get out of this posturing? No one will ever know why they sponsored sc2 instead of bw, so this kind of speculation or questioning is useless. It's their business, and it's a damn successful one at that. They know what they're doing.
Would you rather be the last dinosaur or the first human? They made their decision.
I was expecting that maybe the community would have a little interest in what's going on behind closed doors rather than accepting the "shut up and take what's given to you" school of business. The backroom dealings that ended MBC Game and BW could very well put an end to SC2 one day too. Are you just going to accept it as business then?
On August 05 2012 15:21 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: As an online company, doesn't that make them a globalized entity by default since anyone can access them? By sponsoring the first season of OSL, they may be trying to gain international exposure while simulatenous capitalizing on the remaining korean OSL interest from the end of the BW era. If OSL SC2 succeeds in Korea, they already have a business relationship developed with KeSPA, if it fails, then sponsoring subsequent seasons would actually be worse for them because now they both lost any residual hype from the BW era and do not have clear growth potential in the SC2 era. Its definitely a gamble, but it could pay off.
As for sponsoring BW OSL. I am not sure but even though BW (and thus the OSL) was more popular then SC2, the increased Korean exposure from BW versus SC2 may not have been enough to trump the international exposure the next season will likely have.
*EDIT* They also may have been able to secure a more favorable deal for themselves due to the experimental nature of the next season and the shift to a different game. Stronger negotiating power.
More favorable how? A league costs what it does to run no matter what the situation surrounding it may be. You can even argue that a SC2 league would cost more since you need better computers and stuff to play the game. It's not like kespa can give them a discount.
What are you expecting to get out of this posturing? No one will ever know why they sponsored sc2 instead of bw, so this kind of speculation or questioning is useless. It's their business, and it's a damn successful one at that. They know what they're doing.
Would you rather be the last dinosaur or the first human? They made their decision.
I was expecting that maybe the community would have a little interest in what's going on behind closed doors rather than accepting the "shut up and take what's given to you" school of business. The backroom dealings that ended MBC Game and BW could very well put an end to SC2 one day too. Are you just going to accept it as business then?
On August 05 2012 15:21 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: As an online company, doesn't that make them a globalized entity by default since anyone can access them? By sponsoring the first season of OSL, they may be trying to gain international exposure while simulatenous capitalizing on the remaining korean OSL interest from the end of the BW era. If OSL SC2 succeeds in Korea, they already have a business relationship developed with KeSPA, if it fails, then sponsoring subsequent seasons would actually be worse for them because now they both lost any residual hype from the BW era and do not have clear growth potential in the SC2 era. Its definitely a gamble, but it could pay off.
As for sponsoring BW OSL. I am not sure but even though BW (and thus the OSL) was more popular then SC2, the increased Korean exposure from BW versus SC2 may not have been enough to trump the international exposure the next season will likely have.
*EDIT* They also may have been able to secure a more favorable deal for themselves due to the experimental nature of the next season and the shift to a different game. Stronger negotiating power.
More favorable how? A league costs what it does to run no matter what the situation surrounding it may be. You can even argue that a SC2 league would cost more since you need better computers and stuff to play the game. It's not like kespa can give them a discount.
What are you expecting to get out of this posturing? No one will ever know why they sponsored sc2 instead of bw, so this kind of speculation or questioning is useless. It's their business, and it's a damn successful one at that. They know what they're doing.
Would you rather be the last dinosaur or the first human? They made their decision.
I was expecting that maybe the community would have a little interest in what's going on behind closed doors rather than accepting the "shut up and take what's given to you" school of business. The backroom dealings that ended MBC Game and BW could very well put an end to SC2 one day too. Are you just going to accept it as business then?
On August 05 2012 15:21 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: As an online company, doesn't that make them a globalized entity by default since anyone can access them? By sponsoring the first season of OSL, they may be trying to gain international exposure while simulatenous capitalizing on the remaining korean OSL interest from the end of the BW era. If OSL SC2 succeeds in Korea, they already have a business relationship developed with KeSPA, if it fails, then sponsoring subsequent seasons would actually be worse for them because now they both lost any residual hype from the BW era and do not have clear growth potential in the SC2 era. Its definitely a gamble, but it could pay off.
As for sponsoring BW OSL. I am not sure but even though BW (and thus the OSL) was more popular then SC2, the increased Korean exposure from BW versus SC2 may not have been enough to trump the international exposure the next season will likely have.
*EDIT* They also may have been able to secure a more favorable deal for themselves due to the experimental nature of the next season and the shift to a different game. Stronger negotiating power.
More favorable how? A league costs what it does to run no matter what the situation surrounding it may be. You can even argue that a SC2 league would cost more since you need better computers and stuff to play the game. It's not like kespa can give them a discount.
What are you expecting to get out of this posturing? No one will ever know why they sponsored sc2 instead of bw, so this kind of speculation or questioning is useless. It's their business, and it's a damn successful one at that. They know what they're doing.
Would you rather be the last dinosaur or the first human? They made their decision.
I was expecting that maybe the community would have a little interest in what's going on behind closed doors rather than accepting the "shut up and take what's given to you" school of business. The backroom dealings that ended MBC Game and BW could very well put an end to SC2 one day too. Are you just going to accept it as business then?
what happened to MBCGame/BW?
MBCGame turned into a music channel iirc
I mean, the alleged behind-the-closed-doors dealings o.O
On August 05 2012 15:21 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: As an online company, doesn't that make them a globalized entity by default since anyone can access them? By sponsoring the first season of OSL, they may be trying to gain international exposure while simulatenous capitalizing on the remaining korean OSL interest from the end of the BW era. If OSL SC2 succeeds in Korea, they already have a business relationship developed with KeSPA, if it fails, then sponsoring subsequent seasons would actually be worse for them because now they both lost any residual hype from the BW era and do not have clear growth potential in the SC2 era. Its definitely a gamble, but it could pay off.
As for sponsoring BW OSL. I am not sure but even though BW (and thus the OSL) was more popular then SC2, the increased Korean exposure from BW versus SC2 may not have been enough to trump the international exposure the next season will likely have.
*EDIT* They also may have been able to secure a more favorable deal for themselves due to the experimental nature of the next season and the shift to a different game. Stronger negotiating power.
More favorable how? A league costs what it does to run no matter what the situation surrounding it may be. You can even argue that a SC2 league would cost more since you need better computers and stuff to play the game. It's not like kespa can give them a discount.
What are you expecting to get out of this posturing? No one will ever know why they sponsored sc2 instead of bw, so this kind of speculation or questioning is useless. It's their business, and it's a damn successful one at that. They know what they're doing.
Would you rather be the last dinosaur or the first human? They made their decision.
I was expecting that maybe the community would have a little interest in what's going on behind closed doors rather than accepting the "shut up and take what's given to you" school of business. The backroom dealings that ended MBC Game and BW could very well put an end to SC2 one day too. Are you just going to accept it as business then?
You should give chobopeon a few thousand dollars to become an esports reporter and send him to korea to find out the truth for you! His kickstarter has 4 days left before it fails unless you save it.
I think it would be interesting to know the backroom buisness dealings of all the big esports stuff so hopefully someone who knows about them writes a book someday.
There are lots of buisness reasons why a company would sponsor this osl instead of the broodwar one including kespa just getting more desperate and accepting a lower offer. I think i remember reading that potential osl sponsors liked the worldwide sc2 market more than bw though I can't find that now does anybody else remember that?
On August 05 2012 15:21 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: As an online company, doesn't that make them a globalized entity by default since anyone can access them? By sponsoring the first season of OSL, they may be trying to gain international exposure while simulatenous capitalizing on the remaining korean OSL interest from the end of the BW era. If OSL SC2 succeeds in Korea, they already have a business relationship developed with KeSPA, if it fails, then sponsoring subsequent seasons would actually be worse for them because now they both lost any residual hype from the BW era and do not have clear growth potential in the SC2 era. Its definitely a gamble, but it could pay off.
As for sponsoring BW OSL. I am not sure but even though BW (and thus the OSL) was more popular then SC2, the increased Korean exposure from BW versus SC2 may not have been enough to trump the international exposure the next season will likely have.
*EDIT* They also may have been able to secure a more favorable deal for themselves due to the experimental nature of the next season and the shift to a different game. Stronger negotiating power.
More favorable how? A league costs what it does to run no matter what the situation surrounding it may be. You can even argue that a SC2 league would cost more since you need better computers and stuff to play the game. It's not like kespa can give them a discount.
What are you expecting to get out of this posturing? No one will ever know why they sponsored sc2 instead of bw, so this kind of speculation or questioning is useless. It's their business, and it's a damn successful one at that. They know what they're doing.
Would you rather be the last dinosaur or the first human? They made their decision.
I was expecting that maybe the community would have a little interest in what's going on behind closed doors rather than accepting the "shut up and take what's given to you" school of business. The backroom dealings that ended MBC Game and BW could very well put an end to SC2 one day too. Are you just going to accept it as business then?
what happened to MBCGame/BW?
MBCGame turned into a music channel iirc
I mean, the alleged behind-the-closed-doors dealings o.O
they are all total bullshit and conspiracies, like those touting 9-11 is an insider job or Obama is muslim
On August 05 2012 15:21 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: As an online company, doesn't that make them a globalized entity by default since anyone can access them? By sponsoring the first season of OSL, they may be trying to gain international exposure while simulatenous capitalizing on the remaining korean OSL interest from the end of the BW era. If OSL SC2 succeeds in Korea, they already have a business relationship developed with KeSPA, if it fails, then sponsoring subsequent seasons would actually be worse for them because now they both lost any residual hype from the BW era and do not have clear growth potential in the SC2 era. Its definitely a gamble, but it could pay off.
As for sponsoring BW OSL. I am not sure but even though BW (and thus the OSL) was more popular then SC2, the increased Korean exposure from BW versus SC2 may not have been enough to trump the international exposure the next season will likely have.
*EDIT* They also may have been able to secure a more favorable deal for themselves due to the experimental nature of the next season and the shift to a different game. Stronger negotiating power.
More favorable how? A league costs what it does to run no matter what the situation surrounding it may be. You can even argue that a SC2 league would cost more since you need better computers and stuff to play the game. It's not like kespa can give them a discount.
What are you expecting to get out of this posturing? No one will ever know why they sponsored sc2 instead of bw, so this kind of speculation or questioning is useless. It's their business, and it's a damn successful one at that. They know what they're doing.
Would you rather be the last dinosaur or the first human? They made their decision.
I was expecting that maybe the community would have a little interest in what's going on behind closed doors rather than accepting the "shut up and take what's given to you" school of business. The backroom dealings that ended MBC Game and BW could very well put an end to SC2 one day too. Are you just going to accept it as business then?
what happened to MBCGame/BW?
MBCGame turned into a music channel iirc
I mean, the alleged behind-the-closed-doors dealings o.O
People accusing blizzard of blackmailing OGN without any sources or real evidence.
I'm happy for them. I just hope many foreigners will watch, it feels like not many do follow the PL and OGN starcraft events in general. Although the restream numbers ofc are not every viewer.
Also lol@the guy mentioning international (western as he says, but that's probably the same here) viewers not meaning anything. Korea might have had a really large SC:BW fanbase (and it's still big) but the potential isn't nearly as huge as for the international viewers...
On August 05 2012 15:21 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: As an online company, doesn't that make them a globalized entity by default since anyone can access them? By sponsoring the first season of OSL, they may be trying to gain international exposure while simulatenous capitalizing on the remaining korean OSL interest from the end of the BW era. If OSL SC2 succeeds in Korea, they already have a business relationship developed with KeSPA, if it fails, then sponsoring subsequent seasons would actually be worse for them because now they both lost any residual hype from the BW era and do not have clear growth potential in the SC2 era. Its definitely a gamble, but it could pay off.
As for sponsoring BW OSL. I am not sure but even though BW (and thus the OSL) was more popular then SC2, the increased Korean exposure from BW versus SC2 may not have been enough to trump the international exposure the next season will likely have.
*EDIT* They also may have been able to secure a more favorable deal for themselves due to the experimental nature of the next season and the shift to a different game. Stronger negotiating power.
More favorable how? A league costs what it does to run no matter what the situation surrounding it may be. You can even argue that a SC2 league would cost more since you need better computers and stuff to play the game. It's not like kespa can give them a discount.
What are you expecting to get out of this posturing? No one will ever know why they sponsored sc2 instead of bw, so this kind of speculation or questioning is useless. It's their business, and it's a damn successful one at that. They know what they're doing.
Would you rather be the last dinosaur or the first human? They made their decision.
I was expecting that maybe the community would have a little interest in what's going on behind closed doors rather than accepting the "shut up and take what's given to you" school of business. The backroom dealings that ended MBC Game and BW could very well put an end to SC2 one day too. Are you just going to accept it as business then?
what happened to MBCGame/BW?
MBCGame turned into a music channel iirc
I mean, the alleged behind-the-closed-doors dealings o.O
People accusing blizzard of blackmailing OGN without any sources or real evidence.
They were conspicuously absent from last might's proceedings. Then again, maybe Mike Morhaime was kidnapped by a mob outside the stadium.
On August 05 2012 15:21 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: As an online company, doesn't that make them a globalized entity by default since anyone can access them? By sponsoring the first season of OSL, they may be trying to gain international exposure while simulatenous capitalizing on the remaining korean OSL interest from the end of the BW era. If OSL SC2 succeeds in Korea, they already have a business relationship developed with KeSPA, if it fails, then sponsoring subsequent seasons would actually be worse for them because now they both lost any residual hype from the BW era and do not have clear growth potential in the SC2 era. Its definitely a gamble, but it could pay off.
As for sponsoring BW OSL. I am not sure but even though BW (and thus the OSL) was more popular then SC2, the increased Korean exposure from BW versus SC2 may not have been enough to trump the international exposure the next season will likely have.
*EDIT* They also may have been able to secure a more favorable deal for themselves due to the experimental nature of the next season and the shift to a different game. Stronger negotiating power.
More favorable how? A league costs what it does to run no matter what the situation surrounding it may be. You can even argue that a SC2 league would cost more since you need better computers and stuff to play the game. It's not like kespa can give them a discount.
What are you expecting to get out of this posturing? No one will ever know why they sponsored sc2 instead of bw, so this kind of speculation or questioning is useless. It's their business, and it's a damn successful one at that. They know what they're doing.
Would you rather be the last dinosaur or the first human? They made their decision.
I was expecting that maybe the community would have a little interest in what's going on behind closed doors rather than accepting the "shut up and take what's given to you" school of business. The backroom dealings that ended MBC Game and BW could very well put an end to SC2 one day too. Are you just going to accept it as business then?
It's pretty well known and it has been discussed even years ago on TL that that BW viewership numbers have been steadily declining since 2007. OSL viewership had decreased more than six times(I don't remember how recent the figure is, it could've become even worse, it could also be a total figure for OGN, and not just OSL, you could probably find it with a search), and MSL viewership had decreased more than 3 times, but it had less than half the OSL viewership even in 2007.
The decreased viewership also made it harder and harder to find a sponsor for each new OSL and MSL, it's pretty clear when they often announced BW league sponsorship at pretty much the last moment, compared to the SC2 sponsor being known right after the previous league ended(i.e. the deal was done before the league was even over). Additionally hardware companies are reluctant to sponsor BW, because it's an old game and does not require new hardware, while they gladly sponsor SC2 lagues.
On August 05 2012 15:21 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: As an online company, doesn't that make them a globalized entity by default since anyone can access them? By sponsoring the first season of OSL, they may be trying to gain international exposure while simulatenous capitalizing on the remaining korean OSL interest from the end of the BW era. If OSL SC2 succeeds in Korea, they already have a business relationship developed with KeSPA, if it fails, then sponsoring subsequent seasons would actually be worse for them because now they both lost any residual hype from the BW era and do not have clear growth potential in the SC2 era. Its definitely a gamble, but it could pay off.
As for sponsoring BW OSL. I am not sure but even though BW (and thus the OSL) was more popular then SC2, the increased Korean exposure from BW versus SC2 may not have been enough to trump the international exposure the next season will likely have.
*EDIT* They also may have been able to secure a more favorable deal for themselves due to the experimental nature of the next season and the shift to a different game. Stronger negotiating power.
More favorable how? A league costs what it does to run no matter what the situation surrounding it may be. You can even argue that a SC2 league would cost more since you need better computers and stuff to play the game. It's not like kespa can give them a discount.
What are you expecting to get out of this posturing? No one will ever know why they sponsored sc2 instead of bw, so this kind of speculation or questioning is useless. It's their business, and it's a damn successful one at that. They know what they're doing.
Would you rather be the last dinosaur or the first human? They made their decision.
I was expecting that maybe the community would have a little interest in what's going on behind closed doors rather than accepting the "shut up and take what's given to you" school of business. The backroom dealings that ended MBC Game and BW could very well put an end to SC2 one day too. Are you just going to accept it as business then?
what happened to MBCGame/BW?
MBCGame turned into a music channel iirc
I mean, the alleged behind-the-closed-doors dealings o.O
People accusing blizzard of blackmailing OGN without any sources or real evidence.
Do you really think anyone is going to come out and admit something like that was going on? That's why you have to read between the lines when stuff like this happens. Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
On August 05 2012 13:15 LimitSEA wrote: Sad that BW's had it's last OSL, but excited at the prospect of an SC2 OSL. Looking forward to the next season, and the future of OGN in SC2.
It's sad yes but I also think it's best that it stopped now. BW was on the decline slowly and instead of slowly dying off, they ended with a bang.
EPT
