The announcement of the next sponsor for the world's most prestigious e-Sports league, the OnGameNet Starleague, was announced last night at the conclusion of the tving Starleague finals.
'Auction', a Korean internet shopping mall/auction site, will be the new sponsor for this upcoming league. With the slogan, 'All Kill', OnGameNet said that Auction have been following the Starleague for quite some time, and was excited to promote their brand name.
On August 05 2012 12:59 Dodgin wrote: Reading the title alone I thought OGN was holding an auction to raise money to sponsor the next OSL or something ridiculous like that.
That's cool that we have a brand new sponsor though, hopefully sc2 OSL means no more charity sponsorships from kespa teams.
On August 05 2012 13:01 theBALLS wrote: Haha this was rather misleading
Yeah, could we have maybe "Auction" or Kr company "Auction" etc. etc.
Whats the deal with korean companies typically only sponsoring one season of something like this instead of more typical western long term deals? Cultural I guess, but I don't get it.
So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
On August 05 2012 12:59 Dodgin wrote: Reading the title alone I thought OGN was holding an auction to raise money to sponsor the next OSL or something ridiculous like that.
That's cool that we have a brand new sponsor though, hopefully sc2 OSL means no more charity sponsorships from kespa teams.
Haha yea that's exactly what I was thinking too. Grats on the sponsorship
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
SC2 is an insanely popular game outside of Korea and has a gigantic international e-sports scene. Any Korean company can see that, go, 'Wow, if we play our cards right, this can succeed in Korea!' and invest in the future.
It's stupid to think the OSL SC2 can't be popular. Will the first season be the same as the LAST EVER BW OSL season or LoL The Champions in term of attendance? No, probably not. But if the studio is filled for the Ro16 on and the final has 2,000+ fans, then I'll call it a success and a good starting point.
On August 05 2012 12:59 Dodgin wrote: Reading the title alone I thought OGN was holding an auction to raise money to sponsor the next OSL or something ridiculous like that.
That's cool that we have a brand new sponsor though, hopefully sc2 OSL means no more charity sponsorships from kespa teams.
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
SC2 is an insanely popular game outside of Korea and has a gigantic international e-sports scene. Any Korean company can see that, go, 'Wow, if we play our cards right, this can succeed in Korea!' and invest in the future.
It's stupid to think the OSL SC2 can't be popular. Will the first season be the same as the LAST EVER BW OSL season or LoL The Champions in term of attendance? No, probably not. But if the studio is filled for the Ro16 on and the final has 2,000+ fans, then I'll call it a success and a good starting point.
But that doesn't make sense. If you're a company why would you invest in something that might have viewers in 6 months instead of something you know has viewers right now? Even if SC2 does become more popular next year this sponsor won't benefit from it. It's not like they're getting some kind of discount because it's SC2 either.
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
SC2 is an insanely popular game outside of Korea and has a gigantic international e-sports scene. Any Korean company can see that, go, 'Wow, if we play our cards right, this can succeed in Korea!' and invest in the future.
It's stupid to think the OSL SC2 can't be popular. Will the first season be the same as the LAST EVER BW OSL season or LoL The Champions in term of attendance? No, probably not. But if the studio is filled for the Ro16 on and the final has 2,000+ fans, then I'll call it a success and a good starting point.
But that doesn't make sense. If you're a company why would you invest in something that might have viewers in 6 months instead of something you know has viewers right now? Even if SC2 does become more popular next year this sponsor won't benefit from it. It's not like they're getting some kind of discount because it's SC2 either.
I think your question doesn't really have an answer. Apparently their company has followed OSL for a while, becoming a fan of the company. So, from an outside/less-informed perspective, they are moving from RTS Blizzard game to sequel of RTS Blizzard game...and they get to sponsor and advertise. It seems like your argument is "Why sponsor when the grass is growing, why not wait until it's greener?" Someone's gotta sponsor. Not sure if there is much to be debated.
On August 05 2012 13:43 Kommander wrote: Monsieur J OSL anyone? :p
lol jk
But it's sad that BW OSL's gone. Hard to let go of something you've been following for nearly 10 years.
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
On August 05 2012 12:55 GTR wrote: [OnGameNet said that Auction have been following the Starleague for quite some time, and was excited to promote their brand name.
That's funny. Where were they when they were looking for sponsors?
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
SC2 is an insanely popular game outside of Korea and has a gigantic international e-sports scene. Any Korean company can see that, go, 'Wow, if we play our cards right, this can succeed in Korea!' and invest in the future.
It's stupid to think the OSL SC2 can't be popular. Will the first season be the same as the LAST EVER BW OSL season or LoL The Champions in term of attendance? No, probably not. But if the studio is filled for the Ro16 on and the final has 2,000+ fans, then I'll call it a success and a good starting point.
But that doesn't make sense. If you're a company why would you invest in something that might have viewers in 6 months instead of something you know has viewers right now? Even if SC2 does become more popular next year this sponsor won't benefit from it. It's not like they're getting some kind of discount because it's SC2 either.
I think your question doesn't really have an answer. Apparently their company has followed OSL for a while, becoming a fan of the company. So, from an outside/less-informed perspective, they are moving from RTS Blizzard game to sequel of RTS Blizzard game...and they get to sponsor and advertise. It seems like your argument is "Why sponsor when the grass is growing, why not wait until it's greener?" Someone's gotta sponsor. Not sure if there is much to be debated.
I think a more accurate analogy would be "Why wait to sponsor until after you killed all the grass and planted more when you could have done it when the lawn was still there?"
The assumed reasoning behind the switch has always been that kespa needed an international game to attract international sponsorship, but here we have another Korean company same as before.
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
SC2 is an insanely popular game outside of Korea and has a gigantic international e-sports scene. Any Korean company can see that, go, 'Wow, if we play our cards right, this can succeed in Korea!' and invest in the future.
It's stupid to think the OSL SC2 can't be popular. Will the first season be the same as the LAST EVER BW OSL season or LoL The Champions in term of attendance? No, probably not. But if the studio is filled for the Ro16 on and the final has 2,000+ fans, then I'll call it a success and a good starting point.
But that doesn't make sense. If you're a company why would you invest in something that might have viewers in 6 months instead of something you know has viewers right now? Even if SC2 does become more popular next year this sponsor won't benefit from it. It's not like they're getting some kind of discount because it's SC2 either.
If you bought a lot of stock in Starbucks 10-15 years ago, you made a lot of money and it probably wasnt the most expensive to buy, but its was still a risk. Theyre taking a risk and it could make them a lot of money.
On August 05 2012 14:07 Spec wrote: Dayum excellent move by Auction. No one knew who they were, but this sponsorship gave instant 10k+ nerd recognition.
except that's 10K foreign fans which means nothing for a Korean company who's market is domestic.
face it no one here is going to be using this site.
On August 05 2012 14:07 Spec wrote: Dayum excellent move by Auction. No one knew who they were, but this sponsorship gave instant 10k+ nerd recognition.
except that's 10K foreign fans which means nothing for a Korean company who's market is domestic.
face it no one here is going to be using this site.
It's kinda depends on them though. If they plan to market outward to international audience/market, then they should have some follow up plan in their marketing.
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
SC2 is an insanely popular game outside of Korea and has a gigantic international e-sports scene. Any Korean company can see that, go, 'Wow, if we play our cards right, this can succeed in Korea!' and invest in the future.
It's stupid to think the OSL SC2 can't be popular. Will the first season be the same as the LAST EVER BW OSL season or LoL The Champions in term of attendance? No, probably not. But if the studio is filled for the Ro16 on and the final has 2,000+ fans, then I'll call it a success and a good starting point.
But that doesn't make sense. If you're a company why would you invest in something that might have viewers in 6 months instead of something you know has viewers right now? Even if SC2 does become more popular next year this sponsor won't benefit from it. It's not like they're getting some kind of discount because it's SC2 either.
If you bought a lot of stock in Starbucks 10-15 years ago, you made a lot of money and it probably wasnt the most expensive to buy, but its was still a risk. Theyre taking a risk and it could make them a lot of money.
How are they supposed to make the money? This isn't speculation. Any money they get will be from the viewers right now. Even if SC2 has 100 million fans in 10 years it won't help them at all because they're only the sponsor for this season.
there's no point in marketing outward, at least for the company.
it says to me that it's a test on whether or not Koreans will support SC2. If domestic companies determine that there's no return in sponsoring an OSL, then OGN might question whether they should have one in the first place.
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
SC2 is an insanely popular game outside of Korea and has a gigantic international e-sports scene. Any Korean company can see that, go, 'Wow, if we play our cards right, this can succeed in Korea!' and invest in the future.
It's stupid to think the OSL SC2 can't be popular. Will the first season be the same as the LAST EVER BW OSL season or LoL The Champions in term of attendance? No, probably not. But if the studio is filled for the Ro16 on and the final has 2,000+ fans, then I'll call it a success and a good starting point.
But that doesn't make sense. If you're a company why would you invest in something that might have viewers in 6 months instead of something you know has viewers right now? Even if SC2 does become more popular next year this sponsor won't benefit from it. It's not like they're getting some kind of discount because it's SC2 either.
If you bought a lot of stock in Starbucks 10-15 years ago, you made a lot of money and it probably wasnt the most expensive to buy, but its was still a risk. Theyre taking a risk and it could make them a lot of money.
How are they supposed to make the money? This isn't speculation. Any money they get will be from the viewers right now. Even if SC2 has 100 million fans in 10 years it won't help them at all because they're only the sponsor for this season.
It is speculation. They are taking a risk based on the possibility that SC2 will be more popular in Korea now that BW is done.
On August 05 2012 12:59 Dodgin wrote: Reading the title alone I thought OGN was holding an auction to raise money to sponsor the next OSL or something ridiculous like that.
That's cool that we have a brand new sponsor though, hopefully sc2 OSL means no more charity sponsorships from kespa teams.
That's what I thought when I saw it on the front page. I was very confused for a minute there.
It's good to see they got a sponsor now they have switched to SC2 it should hopefully make the business end of the switch a bit smoother.
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
SC2 is an insanely popular game outside of Korea and has a gigantic international e-sports scene. Any Korean company can see that, go, 'Wow, if we play our cards right, this can succeed in Korea!' and invest in the future.
It's stupid to think the OSL SC2 can't be popular. Will the first season be the same as the LAST EVER BW OSL season or LoL The Champions in term of attendance? No, probably not. But if the studio is filled for the Ro16 on and the final has 2,000+ fans, then I'll call it a success and a good starting point.
But that doesn't make sense. If you're a company why would you invest in something that might have viewers in 6 months instead of something you know has viewers right now? Even if SC2 does become more popular next year this sponsor won't benefit from it. It's not like they're getting some kind of discount because it's SC2 either.
SC2 isn't very popular in Korea compared to when BW was the only esports out there. In that sense, BW isn't that popular in Korea either. The main reason why this starleague was so successful is because it was the last one and that appealed to people's emotions. You can't repeat that.
I'm so happy we pulled a big sponsor already. When SK Telecom sponsored Proleague on top of everything else they do I was worried that the sponsors were running dry...glad to see that other companies are willing to take a chance on Star2.
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
SC2 is an insanely popular game outside of Korea and has a gigantic international e-sports scene. Any Korean company can see that, go, 'Wow, if we play our cards right, this can succeed in Korea!' and invest in the future.
It's stupid to think the OSL SC2 can't be popular. Will the first season be the same as the LAST EVER BW OSL season or LoL The Champions in term of attendance? No, probably not. But if the studio is filled for the Ro16 on and the final has 2,000+ fans, then I'll call it a success and a good starting point.
But that doesn't make sense. If you're a company why would you invest in something that might have viewers in 6 months instead of something you know has viewers right now? Even if SC2 does become more popular next year this sponsor won't benefit from it. It's not like they're getting some kind of discount because it's SC2 either.
If you bought a lot of stock in Starbucks 10-15 years ago, you made a lot of money and it probably wasnt the most expensive to buy, but its was still a risk. Theyre taking a risk and it could make them a lot of money.
How are they supposed to make the money? This isn't speculation. Any money they get will be from the viewers right now. Even if SC2 has 100 million fans in 10 years it won't help them at all because they're only the sponsor for this season.
It is speculation. They are taking a risk based on the possibility that SC2 will be more popular in Korea now that BW is done.
Sponsorship doesn't gain interest or pay dividends. All that matters is how many people notice them because of their involvement right now. How are they supposed to gain anything from people who start watching 4 years from now?
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
SC2 is an insanely popular game outside of Korea and has a gigantic international e-sports scene. Any Korean company can see that, go, 'Wow, if we play our cards right, this can succeed in Korea!' and invest in the future.
It's stupid to think the OSL SC2 can't be popular. Will the first season be the same as the LAST EVER BW OSL season or LoL The Champions in term of attendance? No, probably not. But if the studio is filled for the Ro16 on and the final has 2,000+ fans, then I'll call it a success and a good starting point.
But that doesn't make sense. If you're a company why would you invest in something that might have viewers in 6 months instead of something you know has viewers right now? Even if SC2 does become more popular next year this sponsor won't benefit from it. It's not like they're getting some kind of discount because it's SC2 either.
If you bought a lot of stock in Starbucks 10-15 years ago, you made a lot of money and it probably wasnt the most expensive to buy, but its was still a risk. Theyre taking a risk and it could make them a lot of money.
How are they supposed to make the money? This isn't speculation. Any money they get will be from the viewers right now. Even if SC2 has 100 million fans in 10 years it won't help them at all because they're only the sponsor for this season.
You do realize that OGN has less trouble finding a sponsor for OS2L right? That alone proves the prospect of a new content. At the same time, except for the later stages (semis onward), BW has been flopped big time.It's time to utilize its legacy and venture into a new, promising prospect.
Learn some econs and stop being a jerk toward sc2 plz
On August 05 2012 15:04 Arceus wrote: You do realize that OGN has less trouble finding a sponsor for OS2L right? That alone proves the prospect of a new content. At the same time, except for the later stages (semis onward), BW has been flopped big time.It's time to utilize its legacy and venture into a new, promising prospect.
Learn some econs and stop being a jerk toward sc2 plz
That's a weird thing to say when this is the first SC2 OSL, and when we don't know how long ago this was negotiated, or the extent of the negotiations.
He's not ridiculing SC2, or saying that companies won't bother with sponsoring OGN SC2 content in the future, he's merely saying that Auction is only going to benefit from this immediate OSL, whether or not interest from Korean fans and companies in SC2 picks up afterwards.
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
SC2 is an insanely popular game outside of Korea and has a gigantic international e-sports scene. Any Korean company can see that, go, 'Wow, if we play our cards right, this can succeed in Korea!' and invest in the future.
It's stupid to think the OSL SC2 can't be popular. Will the first season be the same as the LAST EVER BW OSL season or LoL The Champions in term of attendance? No, probably not. But if the studio is filled for the Ro16 on and the final has 2,000+ fans, then I'll call it a success and a good starting point.
But that doesn't make sense. If you're a company why would you invest in something that might have viewers in 6 months instead of something you know has viewers right now? Even if SC2 does become more popular next year this sponsor won't benefit from it. It's not like they're getting some kind of discount because it's SC2 either.
If you bought a lot of stock in Starbucks 10-15 years ago, you made a lot of money and it probably wasnt the most expensive to buy, but its was still a risk. Theyre taking a risk and it could make them a lot of money.
How are they supposed to make the money? This isn't speculation. Any money they get will be from the viewers right now. Even if SC2 has 100 million fans in 10 years it won't help them at all because they're only the sponsor for this season.
It is speculation. They are taking a risk based on the possibility that SC2 will be more popular in Korea now that BW is done.
Sponsorship doesn't gain interest or pay dividends. All that matters is how many people notice them because of their involvement right now. How are they supposed to gain anything from people who start watching 4 years from now?
if it gets them known more or something do you really think they wouldn't invest more? If they don't like it they dont' invest more. Not a hard concept, if this season does well for them in terms of being more web hits or w/e it is they are looking for I bet they would invest some more, if they did worse and lost a lot of money or something then they wouldn't invest anymore.
So this sponsorship stuff works. I've probably seem this ad a dozen times a day in the subway but I never noticed or remembered until after hearing the announcement at OSL.
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
SC2 is an insanely popular game outside of Korea and has a gigantic international e-sports scene. Any Korean company can see that, go, 'Wow, if we play our cards right, this can succeed in Korea!' and invest in the future.
It's stupid to think the OSL SC2 can't be popular. Will the first season be the same as the LAST EVER BW OSL season or LoL The Champions in term of attendance? No, probably not. But if the studio is filled for the Ro16 on and the final has 2,000+ fans, then I'll call it a success and a good starting point.
But that doesn't make sense. If you're a company why would you invest in something that might have viewers in 6 months instead of something you know has viewers right now? Even if SC2 does become more popular next year this sponsor won't benefit from it. It's not like they're getting some kind of discount because it's SC2 either.
If you bought a lot of stock in Starbucks 10-15 years ago, you made a lot of money and it probably wasnt the most expensive to buy, but its was still a risk. Theyre taking a risk and it could make them a lot of money.
How are they supposed to make the money? This isn't speculation. Any money they get will be from the viewers right now. Even if SC2 has 100 million fans in 10 years it won't help them at all because they're only the sponsor for this season.
It is speculation. They are taking a risk based on the possibility that SC2 will be more popular in Korea now that BW is done.
Sponsorship doesn't gain interest or pay dividends. All that matters is how many people notice them because of their involvement right now. How are they supposed to gain anything from people who start watching 4 years from now?
if it gets them known more or something do you really think they wouldn't invest more? If they don't like it they dont' invest more. Not a hard concept, if this season does well for them in terms of being more web hits or w/e it is they are looking for I bet they would invest some more, if they did worse and lost a lot of money or something then they wouldn't invest anymore.
You're missing the point. The question I'm asking is why they were willing to sponsor SC2 but not BW. In other words what do they gain from SC2 that they don't from BW? Going by the numbers it isn't Korean viewers, and I'm not sure what good international viewers will do them.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
SC2 is an insanely popular game outside of Korea and has a gigantic international e-sports scene. Any Korean company can see that, go, 'Wow, if we play our cards right, this can succeed in Korea!' and invest in the future.
It's stupid to think the OSL SC2 can't be popular. Will the first season be the same as the LAST EVER BW OSL season or LoL The Champions in term of attendance? No, probably not. But if the studio is filled for the Ro16 on and the final has 2,000+ fans, then I'll call it a success and a good starting point.
But that doesn't make sense. If you're a company why would you invest in something that might have viewers in 6 months instead of something you know has viewers right now? Even if SC2 does become more popular next year this sponsor won't benefit from it. It's not like they're getting some kind of discount because it's SC2 either.
If you bought a lot of stock in Starbucks 10-15 years ago, you made a lot of money and it probably wasnt the most expensive to buy, but its was still a risk. Theyre taking a risk and it could make them a lot of money.
How are they supposed to make the money? This isn't speculation. Any money they get will be from the viewers right now. Even if SC2 has 100 million fans in 10 years it won't help them at all because they're only the sponsor for this season.
It is speculation. They are taking a risk based on the possibility that SC2 will be more popular in Korea now that BW is done.
Sponsorship doesn't gain interest or pay dividends. All that matters is how many people notice them because of their involvement right now. How are they supposed to gain anything from people who start watching 4 years from now?
if it gets them known more or something do you really think they wouldn't invest more? If they don't like it they dont' invest more. Not a hard concept, if this season does well for them in terms of being more web hits or w/e it is they are looking for I bet they would invest some more, if they did worse and lost a lot of money or something then they wouldn't invest anymore.
You're missing the point. The question I'm asking is why they were willing to sponsor SC2 but not BW. In other words what do they gain from SC2 that they don't from BW? Going by the numbers it isn't Korean viewers, and I'm not sure what good international viewers will do them.
Maybe their CEO or whoever is interested in the company plays or enjoys watching SC2 over BW, or is a family friend of an SC2 player? Sometimes decision-making is not the most obvious process haha.
As an online company, doesn't that make them a globalized entity by default since anyone can access them? By sponsoring the first season of OSL, they may be trying to gain international exposure while simulatenous capitalizing on the remaining korean OSL interest from the end of the BW era. If OSL SC2 succeeds in Korea, they already have a business relationship developed with KeSPA, if it fails, then sponsoring subsequent seasons would actually be worse for them because now they both lost any residual hype from the BW era and do not have clear growth potential in the SC2 era. Its definitely a gamble, but it could pay off.
As for sponsoring BW OSL. I am not sure but even though BW (and thus the OSL) was more popular then SC2, the increased Korean exposure from BW versus SC2 may not have been enough to trump the international exposure the next season will likely have.
*EDIT* They also may have been able to secure a more favorable deal for themselves due to the experimental nature of the next season and the shift to a different game. Stronger negotiating power.
On August 05 2012 15:21 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: As an online company, doesn't that make them a globalized entity by default since anyone can access them? By sponsoring the first season of OSL, they may be trying to gain international exposure while simulatenous capitalizing on the remaining korean OSL interest from the end of the BW era. If OSL SC2 succeeds in Korea, they already have a business relationship developed with KeSPA, if it fails, then sponsoring subsequent seasons would actually be worse for them because now they both lost any residual hype from the BW era and do not have clear growth potential in the SC2 era. Its definitely a gamble, but it could pay off.
As for sponsoring BW OSL. I am not sure but even though BW (and thus the OSL) was more popular then SC2, the increased Korean exposure from BW versus SC2 may not have been enough to trump the international exposure the next season will likely have.
*EDIT* They also may have been able to secure a more favorable deal for themselves due to the experimental nature of the next season and the shift to a different game. Stronger negotiating power.
More favorable how? A league costs what it does to run no matter what the situation surrounding it may be. You can even argue that a SC2 league would cost more since you need better computers and stuff to play the game. It's not like kespa can give them a discount.
On August 05 2012 15:21 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: As an online company, doesn't that make them a globalized entity by default since anyone can access them? By sponsoring the first season of OSL, they may be trying to gain international exposure while simulatenous capitalizing on the remaining korean OSL interest from the end of the BW era. If OSL SC2 succeeds in Korea, they already have a business relationship developed with KeSPA, if it fails, then sponsoring subsequent seasons would actually be worse for them because now they both lost any residual hype from the BW era and do not have clear growth potential in the SC2 era. Its definitely a gamble, but it could pay off.
As for sponsoring BW OSL. I am not sure but even though BW (and thus the OSL) was more popular then SC2, the increased Korean exposure from BW versus SC2 may not have been enough to trump the international exposure the next season will likely have.
*EDIT* They also may have been able to secure a more favorable deal for themselves due to the experimental nature of the next season and the shift to a different game. Stronger negotiating power.
More favorable how? A league costs what it does to run no matter what the situation surrounding it may be. You can even argue that a SC2 league would cost more since you need better computers and stuff to play the game. It's not like kespa can give them a discount.
Blizzard might have helped them reduce the costs, maybe, by inputting a bit of their own cash flow?
On August 05 2012 15:21 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: As an online company, doesn't that make them a globalized entity by default since anyone can access them? By sponsoring the first season of OSL, they may be trying to gain international exposure while simulatenous capitalizing on the remaining korean OSL interest from the end of the BW era. If OSL SC2 succeeds in Korea, they already have a business relationship developed with KeSPA, if it fails, then sponsoring subsequent seasons would actually be worse for them because now they both lost any residual hype from the BW era and do not have clear growth potential in the SC2 era. Its definitely a gamble, but it could pay off.
As for sponsoring BW OSL. I am not sure but even though BW (and thus the OSL) was more popular then SC2, the increased Korean exposure from BW versus SC2 may not have been enough to trump the international exposure the next season will likely have.
*EDIT* They also may have been able to secure a more favorable deal for themselves due to the experimental nature of the next season and the shift to a different game. Stronger negotiating power.
More favorable how? A league costs what it does to run no matter what the situation surrounding it may be. You can even argue that a SC2 league would cost more since you need better computers and stuff to play the game. It's not like kespa can give them a discount.
Well, OGN already upgraded their computers for the hybrid Proleague. Heck, I think they already upgraded their computers after they had tons of technical difficulties at last year's WCG qualifiers, so computer upgrades won't be a problem for them. They're infrastructure is already in place to broadcast SC2 due to their other leagues.
On August 05 2012 15:21 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: As an online company, doesn't that make them a globalized entity by default since anyone can access them? By sponsoring the first season of OSL, they may be trying to gain international exposure while simulatenous capitalizing on the remaining korean OSL interest from the end of the BW era. If OSL SC2 succeeds in Korea, they already have a business relationship developed with KeSPA, if it fails, then sponsoring subsequent seasons would actually be worse for them because now they both lost any residual hype from the BW era and do not have clear growth potential in the SC2 era. Its definitely a gamble, but it could pay off.
As for sponsoring BW OSL. I am not sure but even though BW (and thus the OSL) was more popular then SC2, the increased Korean exposure from BW versus SC2 may not have been enough to trump the international exposure the next season will likely have.
*EDIT* They also may have been able to secure a more favorable deal for themselves due to the experimental nature of the next season and the shift to a different game. Stronger negotiating power.
More favorable how? A league costs what it does to run no matter what the situation surrounding it may be. You can even argue that a SC2 league would cost more since you need better computers and stuff to play the game. It's not like kespa can give them a discount.
Maybe they (like everyone) could tell that people weren't exactly coming out in droves to sponsor BW... hence, the long wait for a sponsor for the final BW OSL, and still a lack of a sponsor for Team 8. On the other hand, huge companies like Intel/LG/Red Bull are sponsoring GSL teams... wonder what that says about BW in the past year or so...
I honestly dont feel too excited for broodwar guys getting in sc2. sure they might increase the hype for a time, but ultimately i feel sc2 is a different game and their skill wont cross over easily.
On August 05 2012 15:21 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: As an online company, doesn't that make them a globalized entity by default since anyone can access them? By sponsoring the first season of OSL, they may be trying to gain international exposure while simulatenous capitalizing on the remaining korean OSL interest from the end of the BW era. If OSL SC2 succeeds in Korea, they already have a business relationship developed with KeSPA, if it fails, then sponsoring subsequent seasons would actually be worse for them because now they both lost any residual hype from the BW era and do not have clear growth potential in the SC2 era. Its definitely a gamble, but it could pay off.
As for sponsoring BW OSL. I am not sure but even though BW (and thus the OSL) was more popular then SC2, the increased Korean exposure from BW versus SC2 may not have been enough to trump the international exposure the next season will likely have.
*EDIT* They also may have been able to secure a more favorable deal for themselves due to the experimental nature of the next season and the shift to a different game. Stronger negotiating power.
More favorable how? A league costs what it does to run no matter what the situation surrounding it may be. You can even argue that a SC2 league would cost more since you need better computers and stuff to play the game. It's not like kespa can give them a discount.
What are you expecting to get out of this posturing? No one will ever know why they sponsored sc2 instead of bw, so this kind of speculation or questioning is useless. It's their business, and it's a damn successful one at that. They know what they're doing.
Would you rather be the last dinosaur or the first human? They made their decision.
On August 05 2012 15:21 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: As an online company, doesn't that make them a globalized entity by default since anyone can access them? By sponsoring the first season of OSL, they may be trying to gain international exposure while simulatenous capitalizing on the remaining korean OSL interest from the end of the BW era. If OSL SC2 succeeds in Korea, they already have a business relationship developed with KeSPA, if it fails, then sponsoring subsequent seasons would actually be worse for them because now they both lost any residual hype from the BW era and do not have clear growth potential in the SC2 era. Its definitely a gamble, but it could pay off.
As for sponsoring BW OSL. I am not sure but even though BW (and thus the OSL) was more popular then SC2, the increased Korean exposure from BW versus SC2 may not have been enough to trump the international exposure the next season will likely have.
*EDIT* They also may have been able to secure a more favorable deal for themselves due to the experimental nature of the next season and the shift to a different game. Stronger negotiating power.
More favorable how? A league costs what it does to run no matter what the situation surrounding it may be. You can even argue that a SC2 league would cost more since you need better computers and stuff to play the game. It's not like kespa can give them a discount.
What are you expecting to get out of this posturing? No one will ever know why they sponsored sc2 instead of bw, so this kind of speculation or questioning is useless. It's their business, and it's a damn successful one at that. They know what they're doing.
Would you rather be the last dinosaur or the first human? They made their decision.
I was expecting that maybe the community would have a little interest in what's going on behind closed doors rather than accepting the "shut up and take what's given to you" school of business. The backroom dealings that ended MBC Game and BW could very well put an end to SC2 one day too. Are you just going to accept it as business then?
On August 05 2012 15:21 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: As an online company, doesn't that make them a globalized entity by default since anyone can access them? By sponsoring the first season of OSL, they may be trying to gain international exposure while simulatenous capitalizing on the remaining korean OSL interest from the end of the BW era. If OSL SC2 succeeds in Korea, they already have a business relationship developed with KeSPA, if it fails, then sponsoring subsequent seasons would actually be worse for them because now they both lost any residual hype from the BW era and do not have clear growth potential in the SC2 era. Its definitely a gamble, but it could pay off.
As for sponsoring BW OSL. I am not sure but even though BW (and thus the OSL) was more popular then SC2, the increased Korean exposure from BW versus SC2 may not have been enough to trump the international exposure the next season will likely have.
*EDIT* They also may have been able to secure a more favorable deal for themselves due to the experimental nature of the next season and the shift to a different game. Stronger negotiating power.
More favorable how? A league costs what it does to run no matter what the situation surrounding it may be. You can even argue that a SC2 league would cost more since you need better computers and stuff to play the game. It's not like kespa can give them a discount.
What are you expecting to get out of this posturing? No one will ever know why they sponsored sc2 instead of bw, so this kind of speculation or questioning is useless. It's their business, and it's a damn successful one at that. They know what they're doing.
Would you rather be the last dinosaur or the first human? They made their decision.
I was expecting that maybe the community would have a little interest in what's going on behind closed doors rather than accepting the "shut up and take what's given to you" school of business. The backroom dealings that ended MBC Game and BW could very well put an end to SC2 one day too. Are you just going to accept it as business then?
On August 05 2012 15:21 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: As an online company, doesn't that make them a globalized entity by default since anyone can access them? By sponsoring the first season of OSL, they may be trying to gain international exposure while simulatenous capitalizing on the remaining korean OSL interest from the end of the BW era. If OSL SC2 succeeds in Korea, they already have a business relationship developed with KeSPA, if it fails, then sponsoring subsequent seasons would actually be worse for them because now they both lost any residual hype from the BW era and do not have clear growth potential in the SC2 era. Its definitely a gamble, but it could pay off.
As for sponsoring BW OSL. I am not sure but even though BW (and thus the OSL) was more popular then SC2, the increased Korean exposure from BW versus SC2 may not have been enough to trump the international exposure the next season will likely have.
*EDIT* They also may have been able to secure a more favorable deal for themselves due to the experimental nature of the next season and the shift to a different game. Stronger negotiating power.
More favorable how? A league costs what it does to run no matter what the situation surrounding it may be. You can even argue that a SC2 league would cost more since you need better computers and stuff to play the game. It's not like kespa can give them a discount.
What are you expecting to get out of this posturing? No one will ever know why they sponsored sc2 instead of bw, so this kind of speculation or questioning is useless. It's their business, and it's a damn successful one at that. They know what they're doing.
Would you rather be the last dinosaur or the first human? They made their decision.
I was expecting that maybe the community would have a little interest in what's going on behind closed doors rather than accepting the "shut up and take what's given to you" school of business. The backroom dealings that ended MBC Game and BW could very well put an end to SC2 one day too. Are you just going to accept it as business then?
On August 05 2012 15:21 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: As an online company, doesn't that make them a globalized entity by default since anyone can access them? By sponsoring the first season of OSL, they may be trying to gain international exposure while simulatenous capitalizing on the remaining korean OSL interest from the end of the BW era. If OSL SC2 succeeds in Korea, they already have a business relationship developed with KeSPA, if it fails, then sponsoring subsequent seasons would actually be worse for them because now they both lost any residual hype from the BW era and do not have clear growth potential in the SC2 era. Its definitely a gamble, but it could pay off.
As for sponsoring BW OSL. I am not sure but even though BW (and thus the OSL) was more popular then SC2, the increased Korean exposure from BW versus SC2 may not have been enough to trump the international exposure the next season will likely have.
*EDIT* They also may have been able to secure a more favorable deal for themselves due to the experimental nature of the next season and the shift to a different game. Stronger negotiating power.
More favorable how? A league costs what it does to run no matter what the situation surrounding it may be. You can even argue that a SC2 league would cost more since you need better computers and stuff to play the game. It's not like kespa can give them a discount.
What are you expecting to get out of this posturing? No one will ever know why they sponsored sc2 instead of bw, so this kind of speculation or questioning is useless. It's their business, and it's a damn successful one at that. They know what they're doing.
Would you rather be the last dinosaur or the first human? They made their decision.
I was expecting that maybe the community would have a little interest in what's going on behind closed doors rather than accepting the "shut up and take what's given to you" school of business. The backroom dealings that ended MBC Game and BW could very well put an end to SC2 one day too. Are you just going to accept it as business then?
what happened to MBCGame/BW?
MBCGame turned into a music channel iirc
I mean, the alleged behind-the-closed-doors dealings o.O
On August 05 2012 15:21 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: As an online company, doesn't that make them a globalized entity by default since anyone can access them? By sponsoring the first season of OSL, they may be trying to gain international exposure while simulatenous capitalizing on the remaining korean OSL interest from the end of the BW era. If OSL SC2 succeeds in Korea, they already have a business relationship developed with KeSPA, if it fails, then sponsoring subsequent seasons would actually be worse for them because now they both lost any residual hype from the BW era and do not have clear growth potential in the SC2 era. Its definitely a gamble, but it could pay off.
As for sponsoring BW OSL. I am not sure but even though BW (and thus the OSL) was more popular then SC2, the increased Korean exposure from BW versus SC2 may not have been enough to trump the international exposure the next season will likely have.
*EDIT* They also may have been able to secure a more favorable deal for themselves due to the experimental nature of the next season and the shift to a different game. Stronger negotiating power.
More favorable how? A league costs what it does to run no matter what the situation surrounding it may be. You can even argue that a SC2 league would cost more since you need better computers and stuff to play the game. It's not like kespa can give them a discount.
What are you expecting to get out of this posturing? No one will ever know why they sponsored sc2 instead of bw, so this kind of speculation or questioning is useless. It's their business, and it's a damn successful one at that. They know what they're doing.
Would you rather be the last dinosaur or the first human? They made their decision.
I was expecting that maybe the community would have a little interest in what's going on behind closed doors rather than accepting the "shut up and take what's given to you" school of business. The backroom dealings that ended MBC Game and BW could very well put an end to SC2 one day too. Are you just going to accept it as business then?
You should give chobopeon a few thousand dollars to become an esports reporter and send him to korea to find out the truth for you! His kickstarter has 4 days left before it fails unless you save it.
I think it would be interesting to know the backroom buisness dealings of all the big esports stuff so hopefully someone who knows about them writes a book someday.
There are lots of buisness reasons why a company would sponsor this osl instead of the broodwar one including kespa just getting more desperate and accepting a lower offer. I think i remember reading that potential osl sponsors liked the worldwide sc2 market more than bw though I can't find that now does anybody else remember that?
On August 05 2012 15:21 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: As an online company, doesn't that make them a globalized entity by default since anyone can access them? By sponsoring the first season of OSL, they may be trying to gain international exposure while simulatenous capitalizing on the remaining korean OSL interest from the end of the BW era. If OSL SC2 succeeds in Korea, they already have a business relationship developed with KeSPA, if it fails, then sponsoring subsequent seasons would actually be worse for them because now they both lost any residual hype from the BW era and do not have clear growth potential in the SC2 era. Its definitely a gamble, but it could pay off.
As for sponsoring BW OSL. I am not sure but even though BW (and thus the OSL) was more popular then SC2, the increased Korean exposure from BW versus SC2 may not have been enough to trump the international exposure the next season will likely have.
*EDIT* They also may have been able to secure a more favorable deal for themselves due to the experimental nature of the next season and the shift to a different game. Stronger negotiating power.
More favorable how? A league costs what it does to run no matter what the situation surrounding it may be. You can even argue that a SC2 league would cost more since you need better computers and stuff to play the game. It's not like kespa can give them a discount.
What are you expecting to get out of this posturing? No one will ever know why they sponsored sc2 instead of bw, so this kind of speculation or questioning is useless. It's their business, and it's a damn successful one at that. They know what they're doing.
Would you rather be the last dinosaur or the first human? They made their decision.
I was expecting that maybe the community would have a little interest in what's going on behind closed doors rather than accepting the "shut up and take what's given to you" school of business. The backroom dealings that ended MBC Game and BW could very well put an end to SC2 one day too. Are you just going to accept it as business then?
what happened to MBCGame/BW?
MBCGame turned into a music channel iirc
I mean, the alleged behind-the-closed-doors dealings o.O
they are all total bullshit and conspiracies, like those touting 9-11 is an insider job or Obama is muslim
On August 05 2012 15:21 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: As an online company, doesn't that make them a globalized entity by default since anyone can access them? By sponsoring the first season of OSL, they may be trying to gain international exposure while simulatenous capitalizing on the remaining korean OSL interest from the end of the BW era. If OSL SC2 succeeds in Korea, they already have a business relationship developed with KeSPA, if it fails, then sponsoring subsequent seasons would actually be worse for them because now they both lost any residual hype from the BW era and do not have clear growth potential in the SC2 era. Its definitely a gamble, but it could pay off.
As for sponsoring BW OSL. I am not sure but even though BW (and thus the OSL) was more popular then SC2, the increased Korean exposure from BW versus SC2 may not have been enough to trump the international exposure the next season will likely have.
*EDIT* They also may have been able to secure a more favorable deal for themselves due to the experimental nature of the next season and the shift to a different game. Stronger negotiating power.
More favorable how? A league costs what it does to run no matter what the situation surrounding it may be. You can even argue that a SC2 league would cost more since you need better computers and stuff to play the game. It's not like kespa can give them a discount.
What are you expecting to get out of this posturing? No one will ever know why they sponsored sc2 instead of bw, so this kind of speculation or questioning is useless. It's their business, and it's a damn successful one at that. They know what they're doing.
Would you rather be the last dinosaur or the first human? They made their decision.
I was expecting that maybe the community would have a little interest in what's going on behind closed doors rather than accepting the "shut up and take what's given to you" school of business. The backroom dealings that ended MBC Game and BW could very well put an end to SC2 one day too. Are you just going to accept it as business then?
what happened to MBCGame/BW?
MBCGame turned into a music channel iirc
I mean, the alleged behind-the-closed-doors dealings o.O
People accusing blizzard of blackmailing OGN without any sources or real evidence.
I'm happy for them. I just hope many foreigners will watch, it feels like not many do follow the PL and OGN starcraft events in general. Although the restream numbers ofc are not every viewer.
Also lol@the guy mentioning international (western as he says, but that's probably the same here) viewers not meaning anything. Korea might have had a really large SC:BW fanbase (and it's still big) but the potential isn't nearly as huge as for the international viewers...
On August 05 2012 15:21 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: As an online company, doesn't that make them a globalized entity by default since anyone can access them? By sponsoring the first season of OSL, they may be trying to gain international exposure while simulatenous capitalizing on the remaining korean OSL interest from the end of the BW era. If OSL SC2 succeeds in Korea, they already have a business relationship developed with KeSPA, if it fails, then sponsoring subsequent seasons would actually be worse for them because now they both lost any residual hype from the BW era and do not have clear growth potential in the SC2 era. Its definitely a gamble, but it could pay off.
As for sponsoring BW OSL. I am not sure but even though BW (and thus the OSL) was more popular then SC2, the increased Korean exposure from BW versus SC2 may not have been enough to trump the international exposure the next season will likely have.
*EDIT* They also may have been able to secure a more favorable deal for themselves due to the experimental nature of the next season and the shift to a different game. Stronger negotiating power.
More favorable how? A league costs what it does to run no matter what the situation surrounding it may be. You can even argue that a SC2 league would cost more since you need better computers and stuff to play the game. It's not like kespa can give them a discount.
What are you expecting to get out of this posturing? No one will ever know why they sponsored sc2 instead of bw, so this kind of speculation or questioning is useless. It's their business, and it's a damn successful one at that. They know what they're doing.
Would you rather be the last dinosaur or the first human? They made their decision.
I was expecting that maybe the community would have a little interest in what's going on behind closed doors rather than accepting the "shut up and take what's given to you" school of business. The backroom dealings that ended MBC Game and BW could very well put an end to SC2 one day too. Are you just going to accept it as business then?
what happened to MBCGame/BW?
MBCGame turned into a music channel iirc
I mean, the alleged behind-the-closed-doors dealings o.O
People accusing blizzard of blackmailing OGN without any sources or real evidence.
They were conspicuously absent from last might's proceedings. Then again, maybe Mike Morhaime was kidnapped by a mob outside the stadium.
On August 05 2012 15:21 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: As an online company, doesn't that make them a globalized entity by default since anyone can access them? By sponsoring the first season of OSL, they may be trying to gain international exposure while simulatenous capitalizing on the remaining korean OSL interest from the end of the BW era. If OSL SC2 succeeds in Korea, they already have a business relationship developed with KeSPA, if it fails, then sponsoring subsequent seasons would actually be worse for them because now they both lost any residual hype from the BW era and do not have clear growth potential in the SC2 era. Its definitely a gamble, but it could pay off.
As for sponsoring BW OSL. I am not sure but even though BW (and thus the OSL) was more popular then SC2, the increased Korean exposure from BW versus SC2 may not have been enough to trump the international exposure the next season will likely have.
*EDIT* They also may have been able to secure a more favorable deal for themselves due to the experimental nature of the next season and the shift to a different game. Stronger negotiating power.
More favorable how? A league costs what it does to run no matter what the situation surrounding it may be. You can even argue that a SC2 league would cost more since you need better computers and stuff to play the game. It's not like kespa can give them a discount.
What are you expecting to get out of this posturing? No one will ever know why they sponsored sc2 instead of bw, so this kind of speculation or questioning is useless. It's their business, and it's a damn successful one at that. They know what they're doing.
Would you rather be the last dinosaur or the first human? They made their decision.
I was expecting that maybe the community would have a little interest in what's going on behind closed doors rather than accepting the "shut up and take what's given to you" school of business. The backroom dealings that ended MBC Game and BW could very well put an end to SC2 one day too. Are you just going to accept it as business then?
It's pretty well known and it has been discussed even years ago on TL that that BW viewership numbers have been steadily declining since 2007. OSL viewership had decreased more than six times(I don't remember how recent the figure is, it could've become even worse, it could also be a total figure for OGN, and not just OSL, you could probably find it with a search), and MSL viewership had decreased more than 3 times, but it had less than half the OSL viewership even in 2007.
The decreased viewership also made it harder and harder to find a sponsor for each new OSL and MSL, it's pretty clear when they often announced BW league sponsorship at pretty much the last moment, compared to the SC2 sponsor being known right after the previous league ended(i.e. the deal was done before the league was even over). Additionally hardware companies are reluctant to sponsor BW, because it's an old game and does not require new hardware, while they gladly sponsor SC2 lagues.
On August 05 2012 15:21 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: As an online company, doesn't that make them a globalized entity by default since anyone can access them? By sponsoring the first season of OSL, they may be trying to gain international exposure while simulatenous capitalizing on the remaining korean OSL interest from the end of the BW era. If OSL SC2 succeeds in Korea, they already have a business relationship developed with KeSPA, if it fails, then sponsoring subsequent seasons would actually be worse for them because now they both lost any residual hype from the BW era and do not have clear growth potential in the SC2 era. Its definitely a gamble, but it could pay off.
As for sponsoring BW OSL. I am not sure but even though BW (and thus the OSL) was more popular then SC2, the increased Korean exposure from BW versus SC2 may not have been enough to trump the international exposure the next season will likely have.
*EDIT* They also may have been able to secure a more favorable deal for themselves due to the experimental nature of the next season and the shift to a different game. Stronger negotiating power.
More favorable how? A league costs what it does to run no matter what the situation surrounding it may be. You can even argue that a SC2 league would cost more since you need better computers and stuff to play the game. It's not like kespa can give them a discount.
What are you expecting to get out of this posturing? No one will ever know why they sponsored sc2 instead of bw, so this kind of speculation or questioning is useless. It's their business, and it's a damn successful one at that. They know what they're doing.
Would you rather be the last dinosaur or the first human? They made their decision.
I was expecting that maybe the community would have a little interest in what's going on behind closed doors rather than accepting the "shut up and take what's given to you" school of business. The backroom dealings that ended MBC Game and BW could very well put an end to SC2 one day too. Are you just going to accept it as business then?
what happened to MBCGame/BW?
MBCGame turned into a music channel iirc
I mean, the alleged behind-the-closed-doors dealings o.O
People accusing blizzard of blackmailing OGN without any sources or real evidence.
Do you really think anyone is going to come out and admit something like that was going on? That's why you have to read between the lines when stuff like this happens. Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
On August 05 2012 13:15 LimitSEA wrote: Sad that BW's had it's last OSL, but excited at the prospect of an SC2 OSL. Looking forward to the next season, and the future of OGN in SC2.
It's sad yes but I also think it's best that it stopped now. BW was on the decline slowly and instead of slowly dying off, they ended with a bang.
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Err... SC2 is more popular in Korea, compared to the size of it's population, than anywhere else in the world. It's just not as popular (and thus, self-sustainable compared to the size of the scene) as BW, BW and SC1 sold 5 million copies in Korean, a country that has a population of 50 million people, that's one copy sold per ten people.
On August 05 2012 15:21 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: As an online company, doesn't that make them a globalized entity by default since anyone can access them? By sponsoring the first season of OSL, they may be trying to gain international exposure while simulatenous capitalizing on the remaining korean OSL interest from the end of the BW era. If OSL SC2 succeeds in Korea, they already have a business relationship developed with KeSPA, if it fails, then sponsoring subsequent seasons would actually be worse for them because now they both lost any residual hype from the BW era and do not have clear growth potential in the SC2 era. Its definitely a gamble, but it could pay off.
As for sponsoring BW OSL. I am not sure but even though BW (and thus the OSL) was more popular then SC2, the increased Korean exposure from BW versus SC2 may not have been enough to trump the international exposure the next season will likely have.
*EDIT* They also may have been able to secure a more favorable deal for themselves due to the experimental nature of the next season and the shift to a different game. Stronger negotiating power.
More favorable how? A league costs what it does to run no matter what the situation surrounding it may be. You can even argue that a SC2 league would cost more since you need better computers and stuff to play the game. It's not like kespa can give them a discount.
What are you expecting to get out of this posturing? No one will ever know why they sponsored sc2 instead of bw, so this kind of speculation or questioning is useless. It's their business, and it's a damn successful one at that. They know what they're doing.
Would you rather be the last dinosaur or the first human? They made their decision.
I was expecting that maybe the community would have a little interest in what's going on behind closed doors rather than accepting the "shut up and take what's given to you" school of business. The backroom dealings that ended MBC Game and BW could very well put an end to SC2 one day too. Are you just going to accept it as business then?
what happened to MBCGame/BW?
MBCGame turned into a music channel iirc
I mean, the alleged behind-the-closed-doors dealings o.O
People accusing blizzard of blackmailing OGN without any sources or real evidence.
Do you really think anyone is going to come out and admit something like that was going on? That's why you have to read between the lines when stuff like this happens. Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
Sure you can read between the line but there's a problem. People try to "read" and pick out things that they want to believe and try to ignore others. And in the end, it's all just speculations without any proofs. So in the end, I don't really think it's worthwhile as much as trying to improve the current scene we have right now.
On August 05 2012 15:21 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: As an online company, doesn't that make them a globalized entity by default since anyone can access them? By sponsoring the first season of OSL, they may be trying to gain international exposure while simulatenous capitalizing on the remaining korean OSL interest from the end of the BW era. If OSL SC2 succeeds in Korea, they already have a business relationship developed with KeSPA, if it fails, then sponsoring subsequent seasons would actually be worse for them because now they both lost any residual hype from the BW era and do not have clear growth potential in the SC2 era. Its definitely a gamble, but it could pay off.
As for sponsoring BW OSL. I am not sure but even though BW (and thus the OSL) was more popular then SC2, the increased Korean exposure from BW versus SC2 may not have been enough to trump the international exposure the next season will likely have.
*EDIT* They also may have been able to secure a more favorable deal for themselves due to the experimental nature of the next season and the shift to a different game. Stronger negotiating power.
More favorable how? A league costs what it does to run no matter what the situation surrounding it may be. You can even argue that a SC2 league would cost more since you need better computers and stuff to play the game. It's not like kespa can give them a discount.
What are you expecting to get out of this posturing? No one will ever know why they sponsored sc2 instead of bw, so this kind of speculation or questioning is useless. It's their business, and it's a damn successful one at that. They know what they're doing.
Would you rather be the last dinosaur or the first human? They made their decision.
I was expecting that maybe the community would have a little interest in what's going on behind closed doors rather than accepting the "shut up and take what's given to you" school of business. The backroom dealings that ended MBC Game and BW could very well put an end to SC2 one day too. Are you just going to accept it as business then?
what happened to MBCGame/BW?
MBCGame turned into a music channel iirc
I mean, the alleged behind-the-closed-doors dealings o.O
People accusing blizzard of blackmailing OGN without any sources or real evidence.
Do you really think anyone is going to come out and admit something like that was going on? That's why you have to read between the lines when stuff like this happens. Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
Dude Illuminati totally controls all the governments in the world. Just read between the lines, it's so obvious with all the evidence! Did you not see Rihanna do the illuminati sign at that concert? HOW CAN YOU IGNORE THE EVIDENCE??!
On August 05 2012 15:21 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: As an online company, doesn't that make them a globalized entity by default since anyone can access them? By sponsoring the first season of OSL, they may be trying to gain international exposure while simulatenous capitalizing on the remaining korean OSL interest from the end of the BW era. If OSL SC2 succeeds in Korea, they already have a business relationship developed with KeSPA, if it fails, then sponsoring subsequent seasons would actually be worse for them because now they both lost any residual hype from the BW era and do not have clear growth potential in the SC2 era. Its definitely a gamble, but it could pay off.
As for sponsoring BW OSL. I am not sure but even though BW (and thus the OSL) was more popular then SC2, the increased Korean exposure from BW versus SC2 may not have been enough to trump the international exposure the next season will likely have.
*EDIT* They also may have been able to secure a more favorable deal for themselves due to the experimental nature of the next season and the shift to a different game. Stronger negotiating power.
More favorable how? A league costs what it does to run no matter what the situation surrounding it may be. You can even argue that a SC2 league would cost more since you need better computers and stuff to play the game. It's not like kespa can give them a discount.
What are you expecting to get out of this posturing? No one will ever know why they sponsored sc2 instead of bw, so this kind of speculation or questioning is useless. It's their business, and it's a damn successful one at that. They know what they're doing.
Would you rather be the last dinosaur or the first human? They made their decision.
I was expecting that maybe the community would have a little interest in what's going on behind closed doors rather than accepting the "shut up and take what's given to you" school of business. The backroom dealings that ended MBC Game and BW could very well put an end to SC2 one day too. Are you just going to accept it as business then?
what happened to MBCGame/BW?
MBCGame turned into a music channel iirc
I mean, the alleged behind-the-closed-doors dealings o.O
People accusing blizzard of blackmailing OGN without any sources or real evidence.
Do you really think anyone is going to come out and admit something like that was going on? That's why you have to read between the lines when stuff like this happens. Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
Well as you paint it, it seems like a bunch of conspiracy theories/bitter BW fans speculating, really.
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
Yeah, I'm sure Auction, a subsidiary of eBay, completely abandoned every rule of Capitalism and invested in something that they see zero true profit potential in. Thanks for your wonderfully thought out and constructive criticism. You then followed that up with this golden nugget of human intelligence:
Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
I think it's time you take off the tin foil hat and return to the BW section of the forums. It's pretty clear you know very little, about anything, and you're just bitter about OGN picking up SC2. Yeah, the entire staff, including the administration and moderation teams of this site will not ban you or warn you for spreading your moronic drivel, because they don't care when BW fans act this stupid in the SC2 sections. But that doesn't mean we have to accept it.
Really looking forward to this OSL. It won't be as awesome as the one a few times after this one when the Kespa players all start playing near the same level as the GSL players, but god I can't wait.
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
Yeah, I'm sure Auction, a subsidiary of eBay, completely abandoned every rule of Capitalism and invested in something that they see zero true profit potential in. Thanks for your wonderfully thought out and constructive criticism. You then followed that up with this golden nugget of human intelligence:
Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
I think it's time you take off the tin foil hat and return to the BW section of the forums. It's pretty clear you know very little, about anything, and you're just bitter about OGN picking up SC2. Yeah, the entire staff, including the administration and moderation teams of this site will not ban you or warn you for spreading your moronic drivel, because they don't care when BW fans act this stupid in the SC2 sections. But that doesn't mean we have to accept it.
So if this is so straightforward explain how they're supposed to profit from this but couldn't with BW?
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
Yeah, I'm sure Auction, a subsidiary of eBay, completely abandoned every rule of Capitalism and invested in something that they see zero true profit potential in. Thanks for your wonderfully thought out and constructive criticism. You then followed that up with this golden nugget of human intelligence:
Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
I think it's time you take off the tin foil hat and return to the BW section of the forums. It's pretty clear you know very little, about anything, and you're just bitter about OGN picking up SC2. Yeah, the entire staff, including the administration and moderation teams of this site will not ban you or warn you for spreading your moronic drivel, because they don't care when BW fans act this stupid in the SC2 sections. But that doesn't mean we have to accept it.
So if this is so straightforward explain how they're supposed to profit from this but couldn't with BW?
declining viewer numbers is a downwards trends, whereas sc2 shows potential. seems simple.
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
Yeah, I'm sure Auction, a subsidiary of eBay, completely abandoned every rule of Capitalism and invested in something that they see zero true profit potential in. Thanks for your wonderfully thought out and constructive criticism. You then followed that up with this golden nugget of human intelligence:
Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
I think it's time you take off the tin foil hat and return to the BW section of the forums. It's pretty clear you know very little, about anything, and you're just bitter about OGN picking up SC2. Yeah, the entire staff, including the administration and moderation teams of this site will not ban you or warn you for spreading your moronic drivel, because they don't care when BW fans act this stupid in the SC2 sections. But that doesn't mean we have to accept it.
So if this is so straightforward explain how they're supposed to profit from this but couldn't with BW?
It's a rather simply concept. Would you rather support a growing market or one that is declining? I'm sure the economists and the lead board has a rather good idea of what will profit their company. They probably would profit from supporting BW as well, but chose not to because of the declining market.
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
Yeah, I'm sure Auction, a subsidiary of eBay, completely abandoned every rule of Capitalism and invested in something that they see zero true profit potential in. Thanks for your wonderfully thought out and constructive criticism. You then followed that up with this golden nugget of human intelligence:
Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
I think it's time you take off the tin foil hat and return to the BW section of the forums. It's pretty clear you know very little, about anything, and you're just bitter about OGN picking up SC2. Yeah, the entire staff, including the administration and moderation teams of this site will not ban you or warn you for spreading your moronic drivel, because they don't care when BW fans act this stupid in the SC2 sections. But that doesn't mean we have to accept it.
So if this is so straightforward explain how they're supposed to profit from this but couldn't with BW?
It's a rather simply concept. Would you rather support a growing market or one that is declining? I'm sure the economists and the lead board has a rather good idea of what will profit their company. They probably would profit from supporting BW as well, but chose not to because of the declining market.
You guys don't understand how sponsorship works at all.
Look at it this way: if you were trying to sell a product, would you rather advertise on a tv show that used to have 500,000 viewers but only has 100,000 now, or a show that has 50,000 viewers right now but might have 500,000 viewers later? Obviously the first one since 100,000 is more than 50,000. Trends don't matter because even if viewership increases in the future, those new viewers won't be seeing your commercial.
You're basically saying that Coca-Cola somehow profited from the Daum 2007 OSL just because they sponsored it back in 2001.
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
Yeah, I'm sure Auction, a subsidiary of eBay, completely abandoned every rule of Capitalism and invested in something that they see zero true profit potential in. Thanks for your wonderfully thought out and constructive criticism. You then followed that up with this golden nugget of human intelligence:
Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
I think it's time you take off the tin foil hat and return to the BW section of the forums. It's pretty clear you know very little, about anything, and you're just bitter about OGN picking up SC2. Yeah, the entire staff, including the administration and moderation teams of this site will not ban you or warn you for spreading your moronic drivel, because they don't care when BW fans act this stupid in the SC2 sections. But that doesn't mean we have to accept it.
So if this is so straightforward explain how they're supposed to profit from this but couldn't with BW?
Starcraft 2 is a growing market with a massively diversifying fanbase and an expansion about six months away with constant growth in all territories which is currently doing what BW never managed and making esports mainstream in western countries. You don't hear of League of Legends on the news, because that's not how it works. It's Starcraft, Barcraft and Day[9] that fill arenas. It's SC2 that is pulling in sponsors like Red Bull who are the big commercial hitters who go on to fill friggin arenas.
They aren't hedging bets. The scene is colossal even compared to the Brood War Korean scene. It's just more spread out, which is basically a cue for more potential market growth.
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
Yeah, I'm sure Auction, a subsidiary of eBay, completely abandoned every rule of Capitalism and invested in something that they see zero true profit potential in. Thanks for your wonderfully thought out and constructive criticism. You then followed that up with this golden nugget of human intelligence:
Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
I think it's time you take off the tin foil hat and return to the BW section of the forums. It's pretty clear you know very little, about anything, and you're just bitter about OGN picking up SC2. Yeah, the entire staff, including the administration and moderation teams of this site will not ban you or warn you for spreading your moronic drivel, because they don't care when BW fans act this stupid in the SC2 sections. But that doesn't mean we have to accept it.
So if this is so straightforward explain how they're supposed to profit from this but couldn't with BW?
It's a rather simply concept. Would you rather support a growing market or one that is declining? I'm sure the economists and the lead board has a rather good idea of what will profit their company. They probably would profit from supporting BW as well, but chose not to because of the declining market.
You guys don't understand how sponsorship works at all.
Look at it this way: if you were trying to sell a product, would you rather advertise on a tv show that used to have 500,000 viewers but only has 100,000 now, or a show that has 50,000 viewers right now but might have 500,000 viewers later? Obviously the first one since 100,000 is more than 50,000. Trends don't matter because even if viewership increases in the future, those new viewers won't be seeing your commercial.
You're basically saying that Coca-Cola somehow profited from the Daum 2007 OSL just because they sponsored it back in 2001.
Yet funnily enough, you just brought up that they sponsored it in 2001 on a public forum, in a discussion specifically about sponsors. They're still benefiting. Most people who refer to an OSL use its sponsor in its name.
Plus this is the first ever SC2 OSL. That carries weight too.
Their marketing guys are smarter than you, even though with your name I'm relatively certain I just fed a troll
edit: that is to say, they didn't specifically profit from any one OSL after they sponsored it, but they continued to get their name associated with a positive thing for progaming fans even now.
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
Yeah, I'm sure Auction, a subsidiary of eBay, completely abandoned every rule of Capitalism and invested in something that they see zero true profit potential in. Thanks for your wonderfully thought out and constructive criticism. You then followed that up with this golden nugget of human intelligence:
Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
I think it's time you take off the tin foil hat and return to the BW section of the forums. It's pretty clear you know very little, about anything, and you're just bitter about OGN picking up SC2. Yeah, the entire staff, including the administration and moderation teams of this site will not ban you or warn you for spreading your moronic drivel, because they don't care when BW fans act this stupid in the SC2 sections. But that doesn't mean we have to accept it.
So if this is so straightforward explain how they're supposed to profit from this but couldn't with BW?
It's a rather simply concept. Would you rather support a growing market or one that is declining? I'm sure the economists and the lead board has a rather good idea of what will profit their company. They probably would profit from supporting BW as well, but chose not to because of the declining market.
You guys don't understand how sponsorship works at all.
Look at it this way: if you were trying to sell a product, would you rather advertise on a tv show that used to have 500,000 viewers but only has 100,000 now, or a show that has 50,000 viewers right now but might have 500,000 viewers later? Obviously the first one since 100,000 is more than 50,000. Trends don't matter because even if viewership increases in the future, those new viewers won't be seeing your commercial.
You're basically saying that Coca-Cola somehow profited from the Daum 2007 OSL just because they sponsored it back in 2001.
Yet funnily enough, you just brought up that they sponsored it in 2001 on a public forum, in a discussion specifically about sponsors. They're still benefiting. Most people who refer to an OSL use its sponsor in its name.
Plus this is the first ever SC2 OSL. That carries weight too.
Their marketing guys are smarter than you, even though with your name I'm relatively certain I just fed a troll
edit: that is to say, they didn't specifically profit from any one OSL after they sponsored it, but they continued to get their name associated with a positive thing for progaming fans even now.
I don't think that logic works at all broster...not in this case anyway. For an increasing audience its better to advertise now
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
Yeah, I'm sure Auction, a subsidiary of eBay, completely abandoned every rule of Capitalism and invested in something that they see zero true profit potential in. Thanks for your wonderfully thought out and constructive criticism. You then followed that up with this golden nugget of human intelligence:
Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
I think it's time you take off the tin foil hat and return to the BW section of the forums. It's pretty clear you know very little, about anything, and you're just bitter about OGN picking up SC2. Yeah, the entire staff, including the administration and moderation teams of this site will not ban you or warn you for spreading your moronic drivel, because they don't care when BW fans act this stupid in the SC2 sections. But that doesn't mean we have to accept it.
So if this is so straightforward explain how they're supposed to profit from this but couldn't with BW?
It's a rather simply concept. Would you rather support a growing market or one that is declining? I'm sure the economists and the lead board has a rather good idea of what will profit their company. They probably would profit from supporting BW as well, but chose not to because of the declining market.
You guys don't understand how sponsorship works at all.
Look at it this way: if you were trying to sell a product, would you rather advertise on a tv show that used to have 500,000 viewers but only has 100,000 now, or a show that has 50,000 viewers right now but might have 500,000 viewers later? Obviously the first one since 100,000 is more than 50,000. Trends don't matter because even if viewership increases in the future, those new viewers won't be seeing your commercial.
You're basically saying that Coca-Cola somehow profited from the Daum 2007 OSL just because they sponsored it back in 2001.
Nearly every company in the world with any common sense will sponsor the second one. Besides, SC2's scene is comfortably larger than BW's scene, holding much more interest in Western countries than BW ever did. That's where the real money is, after all.
Stop with the conspiracy theory crap. It's just making you look like a moron.
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
Yeah, I'm sure Auction, a subsidiary of eBay, completely abandoned every rule of Capitalism and invested in something that they see zero true profit potential in. Thanks for your wonderfully thought out and constructive criticism. You then followed that up with this golden nugget of human intelligence:
Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
I think it's time you take off the tin foil hat and return to the BW section of the forums. It's pretty clear you know very little, about anything, and you're just bitter about OGN picking up SC2. Yeah, the entire staff, including the administration and moderation teams of this site will not ban you or warn you for spreading your moronic drivel, because they don't care when BW fans act this stupid in the SC2 sections. But that doesn't mean we have to accept it.
So if this is so straightforward explain how they're supposed to profit from this but couldn't with BW?
Starcraft 2 is a growing market with a massively diversifying fanbase and an expansion about six months away with constant growth in all territories which is currently doing what BW never managed and making esports mainstream in western countries. You don't hear of League of Legends on the news, because that's not how it works. It's Starcraft, Barcraft and Day[9] that fill arenas. It's SC2 that is pulling in sponsors like Red Bull who are the big commercial hitters who go on to fill friggin arenas.
They aren't hedging bets. The scene is colossal even compared to the Brood War Korean scene. It's just more spread out, which is basically a cue for more potential market growth.
You just don't understand. This isn't like shares of stock you can buy now for $20 and sell later for $40. They only benefit from the people watching right now.
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
Yeah, I'm sure Auction, a subsidiary of eBay, completely abandoned every rule of Capitalism and invested in something that they see zero true profit potential in. Thanks for your wonderfully thought out and constructive criticism. You then followed that up with this golden nugget of human intelligence:
Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
I think it's time you take off the tin foil hat and return to the BW section of the forums. It's pretty clear you know very little, about anything, and you're just bitter about OGN picking up SC2. Yeah, the entire staff, including the administration and moderation teams of this site will not ban you or warn you for spreading your moronic drivel, because they don't care when BW fans act this stupid in the SC2 sections. But that doesn't mean we have to accept it.
So if this is so straightforward explain how they're supposed to profit from this but couldn't with BW?
Starcraft 2 is a growing market with a massively diversifying fanbase and an expansion about six months away with constant growth in all territories which is currently doing what BW never managed and making esports mainstream in western countries. You don't hear of League of Legends on the news, because that's not how it works. It's Starcraft, Barcraft and Day[9] that fill arenas. It's SC2 that is pulling in sponsors like Red Bull who are the big commercial hitters who go on to fill friggin arenas.
They aren't hedging bets. The scene is colossal even compared to the Brood War Korean scene. It's just more spread out, which is basically a cue for more potential market growth.
You just don't understand. This isn't like shares of stock you can buy now for $20 and sell later for $40. They only benefit from the people watching right now.
Well, okay. You think they made a dumb decision. Cool. It's not going to change the fact that this is going ahead, not like they can back out of the deal and suddenly sponsor BW now.
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
Yeah, I'm sure Auction, a subsidiary of eBay, completely abandoned every rule of Capitalism and invested in something that they see zero true profit potential in. Thanks for your wonderfully thought out and constructive criticism. You then followed that up with this golden nugget of human intelligence:
Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
I think it's time you take off the tin foil hat and return to the BW section of the forums. It's pretty clear you know very little, about anything, and you're just bitter about OGN picking up SC2. Yeah, the entire staff, including the administration and moderation teams of this site will not ban you or warn you for spreading your moronic drivel, because they don't care when BW fans act this stupid in the SC2 sections. But that doesn't mean we have to accept it.
So if this is so straightforward explain how they're supposed to profit from this but couldn't with BW?
Starcraft 2 is a growing market with a massively diversifying fanbase and an expansion about six months away with constant growth in all territories which is currently doing what BW never managed and making esports mainstream in western countries. You don't hear of League of Legends on the news, because that's not how it works. It's Starcraft, Barcraft and Day[9] that fill arenas. It's SC2 that is pulling in sponsors like Red Bull who are the big commercial hitters who go on to fill friggin arenas.
They aren't hedging bets. The scene is colossal even compared to the Brood War Korean scene. It's just more spread out, which is basically a cue for more potential market growth.
You just don't understand. This isn't like shares of stock you can buy now for $20 and sell later for $40. They only benefit from the people watching right now.
Well, okay. You think they made a dumb decision. Cool. It's not going to change the fact that this is going ahead, not like they can back out of the deal and suddenly sponsor BW now.
I'm not saying they made a dumb decision. I'm saying that from the information available to us it seems like a bad decision, so we can assume that there must be information hidden from us affecting the situation.
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
Yeah, I'm sure Auction, a subsidiary of eBay, completely abandoned every rule of Capitalism and invested in something that they see zero true profit potential in. Thanks for your wonderfully thought out and constructive criticism. You then followed that up with this golden nugget of human intelligence:
Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
I think it's time you take off the tin foil hat and return to the BW section of the forums. It's pretty clear you know very little, about anything, and you're just bitter about OGN picking up SC2. Yeah, the entire staff, including the administration and moderation teams of this site will not ban you or warn you for spreading your moronic drivel, because they don't care when BW fans act this stupid in the SC2 sections. But that doesn't mean we have to accept it.
So if this is so straightforward explain how they're supposed to profit from this but couldn't with BW?
Starcraft 2 is a growing market with a massively diversifying fanbase and an expansion about six months away with constant growth in all territories which is currently doing what BW never managed and making esports mainstream in western countries. You don't hear of League of Legends on the news, because that's not how it works. It's Starcraft, Barcraft and Day[9] that fill arenas. It's SC2 that is pulling in sponsors like Red Bull who are the big commercial hitters who go on to fill friggin arenas.
They aren't hedging bets. The scene is colossal even compared to the Brood War Korean scene. It's just more spread out, which is basically a cue for more potential market growth.
You just don't understand. This isn't like shares of stock you can buy now for $20 and sell later for $40. They only benefit from the people watching right now.
Well, okay. You think they made a dumb decision. Cool. It's not going to change the fact that this is going ahead, not like they can back out of the deal and suddenly sponsor BW now.
I'm not saying they made a dumb decision. I'm saying that from the information available to us it seems like a bad decision, so we can assume that there must be information hidden from us affecting the situation.
i'm sure their marketing managers have done much more comprehensive research than you or we can =)
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
Yeah, I'm sure Auction, a subsidiary of eBay, completely abandoned every rule of Capitalism and invested in something that they see zero true profit potential in. Thanks for your wonderfully thought out and constructive criticism. You then followed that up with this golden nugget of human intelligence:
Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
I think it's time you take off the tin foil hat and return to the BW section of the forums. It's pretty clear you know very little, about anything, and you're just bitter about OGN picking up SC2. Yeah, the entire staff, including the administration and moderation teams of this site will not ban you or warn you for spreading your moronic drivel, because they don't care when BW fans act this stupid in the SC2 sections. But that doesn't mean we have to accept it.
So if this is so straightforward explain how they're supposed to profit from this but couldn't with BW?
Starcraft 2 is a growing market with a massively diversifying fanbase and an expansion about six months away with constant growth in all territories which is currently doing what BW never managed and making esports mainstream in western countries. You don't hear of League of Legends on the news, because that's not how it works. It's Starcraft, Barcraft and Day[9] that fill arenas. It's SC2 that is pulling in sponsors like Red Bull who are the big commercial hitters who go on to fill friggin arenas.
They aren't hedging bets. The scene is colossal even compared to the Brood War Korean scene. It's just more spread out, which is basically a cue for more potential market growth.
You just don't understand. This isn't like shares of stock you can buy now for $20 and sell later for $40. They only benefit from the people watching right now.
No man. I'm saying that the shares in a company that were worth $50 and are now worth $10 and were worth shit all elsewhere are crap compared to the shares in a company that in their domestic market are worth $5 but are worth $15 in other markets and that is growing continually.
BW was dying for years. SC2 just hastened its demise on the virtue of being a more accessible game. Companies are smart to invest in SC2 rather than BW because anything with constant iteration and updates and supported by the developer and software/hardware houses directly is going to eventually be shoved into the limelight.
SC2 is already bigger than BW. Accept it, and move on. The only vague blip in that is League of Legends, but then Starcraft lived sided by side with the vastly more popular World of Warcraft arena and BW outlived that by three years or more.
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
Yeah, I'm sure Auction, a subsidiary of eBay, completely abandoned every rule of Capitalism and invested in something that they see zero true profit potential in. Thanks for your wonderfully thought out and constructive criticism. You then followed that up with this golden nugget of human intelligence:
Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
I think it's time you take off the tin foil hat and return to the BW section of the forums. It's pretty clear you know very little, about anything, and you're just bitter about OGN picking up SC2. Yeah, the entire staff, including the administration and moderation teams of this site will not ban you or warn you for spreading your moronic drivel, because they don't care when BW fans act this stupid in the SC2 sections. But that doesn't mean we have to accept it.
So if this is so straightforward explain how they're supposed to profit from this but couldn't with BW?
Starcraft 2 is a growing market with a massively diversifying fanbase and an expansion about six months away with constant growth in all territories which is currently doing what BW never managed and making esports mainstream in western countries. You don't hear of League of Legends on the news, because that's not how it works. It's Starcraft, Barcraft and Day[9] that fill arenas. It's SC2 that is pulling in sponsors like Red Bull who are the big commercial hitters who go on to fill friggin arenas.
They aren't hedging bets. The scene is colossal even compared to the Brood War Korean scene. It's just more spread out, which is basically a cue for more potential market growth.
You just don't understand. This isn't like shares of stock you can buy now for $20 and sell later for $40. They only benefit from the people watching right now.
Well, okay. You think they made a dumb decision. Cool. It's not going to change the fact that this is going ahead, not like they can back out of the deal and suddenly sponsor BW now.
I'm not saying they made a dumb decision. I'm saying that from the information available to us it seems like a bad decision, so we can assume that there must be information hidden from us affecting the situation.
can say that about anything when you aren't involved as a party to situations when you don't have perfect information all you can do is speculate, but in this case seems better to wait it out and see how it goes they obviously have an expectation and now it's time to see if that expectation will pay off
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
Yeah, I'm sure Auction, a subsidiary of eBay, completely abandoned every rule of Capitalism and invested in something that they see zero true profit potential in. Thanks for your wonderfully thought out and constructive criticism. You then followed that up with this golden nugget of human intelligence:
Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
I think it's time you take off the tin foil hat and return to the BW section of the forums. It's pretty clear you know very little, about anything, and you're just bitter about OGN picking up SC2. Yeah, the entire staff, including the administration and moderation teams of this site will not ban you or warn you for spreading your moronic drivel, because they don't care when BW fans act this stupid in the SC2 sections. But that doesn't mean we have to accept it.
So if this is so straightforward explain how they're supposed to profit from this but couldn't with BW?
It's a rather simply concept. Would you rather support a growing market or one that is declining? I'm sure the economists and the lead board has a rather good idea of what will profit their company. They probably would profit from supporting BW as well, but chose not to because of the declining market.
You guys don't understand how sponsorship works at all.
Look at it this way: if you were trying to sell a product, would you rather advertise on a tv show that used to have 500,000 viewers but only has 100,000 now, or a show that has 50,000 viewers right now but might have 500,000 viewers later? Obviously the first one since 100,000 is more than 50,000. Trends don't matter because even if viewership increases in the future, those new viewers won't be seeing your commercial.
You're basically saying that Coca-Cola somehow profited from the Daum 2007 OSL just because they sponsored it back in 2001.
Where did you learn about marketing? Most people would take the second case where the numbers are 50,000 but may eventually climb to 100,000. What you don't seem to understand is nobody pays sponsorship dollars worth 100,000 viewers when they can only expect 50,000. In those cases they pay 50,000 worth. If they are satisfied for the return, they will buy 100,000 worth the next time. Then 150,000 worth the time after that. People who work in companies might not know much about sc2 or BW or esports. But they looked at the numbers and made the judgement that it was worthwhile to pursue the sponsorship.
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
Yeah, I'm sure Auction, a subsidiary of eBay, completely abandoned every rule of Capitalism and invested in something that they see zero true profit potential in. Thanks for your wonderfully thought out and constructive criticism. You then followed that up with this golden nugget of human intelligence:
Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
I think it's time you take off the tin foil hat and return to the BW section of the forums. It's pretty clear you know very little, about anything, and you're just bitter about OGN picking up SC2. Yeah, the entire staff, including the administration and moderation teams of this site will not ban you or warn you for spreading your moronic drivel, because they don't care when BW fans act this stupid in the SC2 sections. But that doesn't mean we have to accept it.
So if this is so straightforward explain how they're supposed to profit from this but couldn't with BW?
Starcraft 2 is a growing market with a massively diversifying fanbase and an expansion about six months away with constant growth in all territories which is currently doing what BW never managed and making esports mainstream in western countries. You don't hear of League of Legends on the news, because that's not how it works. It's Starcraft, Barcraft and Day[9] that fill arenas. It's SC2 that is pulling in sponsors like Red Bull who are the big commercial hitters who go on to fill friggin arenas.
They aren't hedging bets. The scene is colossal even compared to the Brood War Korean scene. It's just more spread out, which is basically a cue for more potential market growth.
You just don't understand. This isn't like shares of stock you can buy now for $20 and sell later for $40. They only benefit from the people watching right now.
No man. I'm saying that the shares in a company that were worth $50 and are now worth $10 and were worth shit all elsewhere are crap compared to the shares in a company that in their domestic market are worth $5 but are worth $15 in other markets and that is growing continually.
BW was dying for years. SC2 just hastened its demise on the virtue of being a more accessible game. Companies are smart to invest in SC2 rather than BW because anything with constant iteration and updates and supported by the developer and software/hardware houses directly is going to eventually be shoved into the limelight.
SC2 is already bigger than BW. Accept it, and move on. The only vague blip in that is League of Legends, but then Starcraft lived sided by side with the vastly more popular World of Warcraft arena and BW outlived that by three years or more.
Let's say it out loud together. Advertisement is not the stock market. A company spending money now gains nothing from people who might start watching years from now.
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
Yeah, I'm sure Auction, a subsidiary of eBay, completely abandoned every rule of Capitalism and invested in something that they see zero true profit potential in. Thanks for your wonderfully thought out and constructive criticism. You then followed that up with this golden nugget of human intelligence:
Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
I think it's time you take off the tin foil hat and return to the BW section of the forums. It's pretty clear you know very little, about anything, and you're just bitter about OGN picking up SC2. Yeah, the entire staff, including the administration and moderation teams of this site will not ban you or warn you for spreading your moronic drivel, because they don't care when BW fans act this stupid in the SC2 sections. But that doesn't mean we have to accept it.
So if this is so straightforward explain how they're supposed to profit from this but couldn't with BW?
Starcraft 2 is a growing market with a massively diversifying fanbase and an expansion about six months away with constant growth in all territories which is currently doing what BW never managed and making esports mainstream in western countries. You don't hear of League of Legends on the news, because that's not how it works. It's Starcraft, Barcraft and Day[9] that fill arenas. It's SC2 that is pulling in sponsors like Red Bull who are the big commercial hitters who go on to fill friggin arenas.
They aren't hedging bets. The scene is colossal even compared to the Brood War Korean scene. It's just more spread out, which is basically a cue for more potential market growth.
You just don't understand. This isn't like shares of stock you can buy now for $20 and sell later for $40. They only benefit from the people watching right now.
No man. I'm saying that the shares in a company that were worth $50 and are now worth $10 and were worth shit all elsewhere are crap compared to the shares in a company that in their domestic market are worth $5 but are worth $15 in other markets and that is growing continually.
BW was dying for years. SC2 just hastened its demise on the virtue of being a more accessible game. Companies are smart to invest in SC2 rather than BW because anything with constant iteration and updates and supported by the developer and software/hardware houses directly is going to eventually be shoved into the limelight.
SC2 is already bigger than BW. Accept it, and move on. The only vague blip in that is League of Legends, but then Starcraft lived sided by side with the vastly more popular World of Warcraft arena and BW outlived that by three years or more.
Let's say it out loud together. Advertisement is not the stock market. A company spending money now gains nothing from people who might start watching years from now.
Disagree there. They still have plenty to gain, e.g. from VODs. GSL, for one, has a much greater VOD viewership than live viewership. Plus you're the one who brought up stocks in the first place.
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
Yeah, I'm sure Auction, a subsidiary of eBay, completely abandoned every rule of Capitalism and invested in something that they see zero true profit potential in. Thanks for your wonderfully thought out and constructive criticism. You then followed that up with this golden nugget of human intelligence:
Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
I think it's time you take off the tin foil hat and return to the BW section of the forums. It's pretty clear you know very little, about anything, and you're just bitter about OGN picking up SC2. Yeah, the entire staff, including the administration and moderation teams of this site will not ban you or warn you for spreading your moronic drivel, because they don't care when BW fans act this stupid in the SC2 sections. But that doesn't mean we have to accept it.
So if this is so straightforward explain how they're supposed to profit from this but couldn't with BW?
Starcraft 2 is a growing market with a massively diversifying fanbase and an expansion about six months away with constant growth in all territories which is currently doing what BW never managed and making esports mainstream in western countries. You don't hear of League of Legends on the news, because that's not how it works. It's Starcraft, Barcraft and Day[9] that fill arenas. It's SC2 that is pulling in sponsors like Red Bull who are the big commercial hitters who go on to fill friggin arenas.
They aren't hedging bets. The scene is colossal even compared to the Brood War Korean scene. It's just more spread out, which is basically a cue for more potential market growth.
You just don't understand. This isn't like shares of stock you can buy now for $20 and sell later for $40. They only benefit from the people watching right now.
No man. I'm saying that the shares in a company that were worth $50 and are now worth $10 and were worth shit all elsewhere are crap compared to the shares in a company that in their domestic market are worth $5 but are worth $15 in other markets and that is growing continually.
BW was dying for years. SC2 just hastened its demise on the virtue of being a more accessible game. Companies are smart to invest in SC2 rather than BW because anything with constant iteration and updates and supported by the developer and software/hardware houses directly is going to eventually be shoved into the limelight.
SC2 is already bigger than BW. Accept it, and move on. The only vague blip in that is League of Legends, but then Starcraft lived sided by side with the vastly more popular World of Warcraft arena and BW outlived that by three years or more.
Let's say it out loud together. Advertisement is not the stock market. A company spending money now gains nothing from people who might start watching years from now.
Disagree there. They still have plenty to gain, e.g. from VODs. GSL, for one, has a much greater VOD viewership than live viewership. Plus you're the one who brought up stocks in the first place.
I said it's not like stocks because people kept referring it to as an investment like buying bonds or something.
The only reason GSL has more VOD views is because international viewers can't wake up at 5am to watch it live. Since this isn't an international company (at least it it's being presented specifically as Auction rather than ebay) international views don't really mean anything.
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
Yeah, I'm sure Auction, a subsidiary of eBay, completely abandoned every rule of Capitalism and invested in something that they see zero true profit potential in. Thanks for your wonderfully thought out and constructive criticism. You then followed that up with this golden nugget of human intelligence:
Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
I think it's time you take off the tin foil hat and return to the BW section of the forums. It's pretty clear you know very little, about anything, and you're just bitter about OGN picking up SC2. Yeah, the entire staff, including the administration and moderation teams of this site will not ban you or warn you for spreading your moronic drivel, because they don't care when BW fans act this stupid in the SC2 sections. But that doesn't mean we have to accept it.
So if this is so straightforward explain how they're supposed to profit from this but couldn't with BW?
Starcraft 2 is a growing market with a massively diversifying fanbase and an expansion about six months away with constant growth in all territories which is currently doing what BW never managed and making esports mainstream in western countries. You don't hear of League of Legends on the news, because that's not how it works. It's Starcraft, Barcraft and Day[9] that fill arenas. It's SC2 that is pulling in sponsors like Red Bull who are the big commercial hitters who go on to fill friggin arenas.
They aren't hedging bets. The scene is colossal even compared to the Brood War Korean scene. It's just more spread out, which is basically a cue for more potential market growth.
You just don't understand. This isn't like shares of stock you can buy now for $20 and sell later for $40. They only benefit from the people watching right now.
No man. I'm saying that the shares in a company that were worth $50 and are now worth $10 and were worth shit all elsewhere are crap compared to the shares in a company that in their domestic market are worth $5 but are worth $15 in other markets and that is growing continually.
BW was dying for years. SC2 just hastened its demise on the virtue of being a more accessible game. Companies are smart to invest in SC2 rather than BW because anything with constant iteration and updates and supported by the developer and software/hardware houses directly is going to eventually be shoved into the limelight.
SC2 is already bigger than BW. Accept it, and move on. The only vague blip in that is League of Legends, but then Starcraft lived sided by side with the vastly more popular World of Warcraft arena and BW outlived that by three years or more.
Let's say it out loud together. Advertisement is not the stock market. A company spending money now gains nothing from people who might start watching years from now.
Sponsorship is about brand exposure, it's not about the value of the company. However, being associated with a growing, new brand is much more effective than being associated with a dying, old brand. Companies that want to be portrayed as "in the moment" sometimes sponsor obscure sports to get their name in arenas they might not normally be seen. It's all about what companies want to be portrayed as.
However, in a growth market, brand loyalty often extends beyond the current generation. You mentioned it yourself - Coca Cola sponsoring the OSL. Do they sponsor it now? No. Do they STILL get mentioned? Of course they do.
I would definitely say so. It has far more history than the GSL, and is also less often than the GSL which makes each win worth a lot more. You can also be much more confident than the GSL that the players in the OSL are deserving to be there. Many SC2 fans don't know much about the OSL (I didn't either when I first started following SC2) and therefore don't know of its history, and so the winners of the OSL may not get the recognition that they deserve, which would be a shame...
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
Yeah, I'm sure Auction, a subsidiary of eBay, completely abandoned every rule of Capitalism and invested in something that they see zero true profit potential in. Thanks for your wonderfully thought out and constructive criticism. You then followed that up with this golden nugget of human intelligence:
Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
I think it's time you take off the tin foil hat and return to the BW section of the forums. It's pretty clear you know very little, about anything, and you're just bitter about OGN picking up SC2. Yeah, the entire staff, including the administration and moderation teams of this site will not ban you or warn you for spreading your moronic drivel, because they don't care when BW fans act this stupid in the SC2 sections. But that doesn't mean we have to accept it.
So if this is so straightforward explain how they're supposed to profit from this but couldn't with BW?
Starcraft 2 is a growing market with a massively diversifying fanbase and an expansion about six months away with constant growth in all territories which is currently doing what BW never managed and making esports mainstream in western countries. You don't hear of League of Legends on the news, because that's not how it works. It's Starcraft, Barcraft and Day[9] that fill arenas. It's SC2 that is pulling in sponsors like Red Bull who are the big commercial hitters who go on to fill friggin arenas.
They aren't hedging bets. The scene is colossal even compared to the Brood War Korean scene. It's just more spread out, which is basically a cue for more potential market growth.
You just don't understand. This isn't like shares of stock you can buy now for $20 and sell later for $40. They only benefit from the people watching right now.
No man. I'm saying that the shares in a company that were worth $50 and are now worth $10 and were worth shit all elsewhere are crap compared to the shares in a company that in their domestic market are worth $5 but are worth $15 in other markets and that is growing continually.
BW was dying for years. SC2 just hastened its demise on the virtue of being a more accessible game. Companies are smart to invest in SC2 rather than BW because anything with constant iteration and updates and supported by the developer and software/hardware houses directly is going to eventually be shoved into the limelight.
SC2 is already bigger than BW. Accept it, and move on. The only vague blip in that is League of Legends, but then Starcraft lived sided by side with the vastly more popular World of Warcraft arena and BW outlived that by three years or more.
Let's say it out loud together. Advertisement is not the stock market. A company spending money now gains nothing from people who might start watching years from now.
You are wasting your time arguing on the internet.
Realize that while what you say is logical (and correct), the people who you're talking to aren't here to listen, they are not open to new ideas, and they won't change their mind, all they want to do is to "win" the argument. This is human nature:
Again, you are wasting your time, none of these people matter in the least (and neither do us), you wouldn't bother spending that much time on them in real life, and you shouldn't on the internet. The time you spent bothering with others should be spent actively achieving your goals.
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
Yeah, I'm sure Auction, a subsidiary of eBay, completely abandoned every rule of Capitalism and invested in something that they see zero true profit potential in. Thanks for your wonderfully thought out and constructive criticism. You then followed that up with this golden nugget of human intelligence:
Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
I think it's time you take off the tin foil hat and return to the BW section of the forums. It's pretty clear you know very little, about anything, and you're just bitter about OGN picking up SC2. Yeah, the entire staff, including the administration and moderation teams of this site will not ban you or warn you for spreading your moronic drivel, because they don't care when BW fans act this stupid in the SC2 sections. But that doesn't mean we have to accept it.
So if this is so straightforward explain how they're supposed to profit from this but couldn't with BW?
Starcraft 2 is a growing market with a massively diversifying fanbase and an expansion about six months away with constant growth in all territories which is currently doing what BW never managed and making esports mainstream in western countries. You don't hear of League of Legends on the news, because that's not how it works. It's Starcraft, Barcraft and Day[9] that fill arenas. It's SC2 that is pulling in sponsors like Red Bull who are the big commercial hitters who go on to fill friggin arenas.
They aren't hedging bets. The scene is colossal even compared to the Brood War Korean scene. It's just more spread out, which is basically a cue for more potential market growth.
You just don't understand. This isn't like shares of stock you can buy now for $20 and sell later for $40. They only benefit from the people watching right now.
No man. I'm saying that the shares in a company that were worth $50 and are now worth $10 and were worth shit all elsewhere are crap compared to the shares in a company that in their domestic market are worth $5 but are worth $15 in other markets and that is growing continually.
BW was dying for years. SC2 just hastened its demise on the virtue of being a more accessible game. Companies are smart to invest in SC2 rather than BW because anything with constant iteration and updates and supported by the developer and software/hardware houses directly is going to eventually be shoved into the limelight.
SC2 is already bigger than BW. Accept it, and move on. The only vague blip in that is League of Legends, but then Starcraft lived sided by side with the vastly more popular World of Warcraft arena and BW outlived that by three years or more.
Youre mishmashing comparisons of korean and international scenes so it doesnt actually make a consistent point..
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
Yeah, I'm sure Auction, a subsidiary of eBay, completely abandoned every rule of Capitalism and invested in something that they see zero true profit potential in. Thanks for your wonderfully thought out and constructive criticism. You then followed that up with this golden nugget of human intelligence:
Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
I think it's time you take off the tin foil hat and return to the BW section of the forums. It's pretty clear you know very little, about anything, and you're just bitter about OGN picking up SC2. Yeah, the entire staff, including the administration and moderation teams of this site will not ban you or warn you for spreading your moronic drivel, because they don't care when BW fans act this stupid in the SC2 sections. But that doesn't mean we have to accept it.
So if this is so straightforward explain how they're supposed to profit from this but couldn't with BW?
It's a rather simply concept. Would you rather support a growing market or one that is declining? I'm sure the economists and the lead board has a rather good idea of what will profit their company. They probably would profit from supporting BW as well, but chose not to because of the declining market.
You guys don't understand how sponsorship works at all.
Look at it this way: if you were trying to sell a product, would you rather advertise on a tv show that used to have 500,000 viewers but only has 100,000 now, or a show that has 50,000 viewers right now but might have 500,000 viewers later? Obviously the first one since 100,000 is more than 50,000. Trends don't matter because even if viewership increases in the future, those new viewers won't be seeing your commercial.
You're basically saying that Coca-Cola somehow profited from the Daum 2007 OSL just because they sponsored it back in 2001.
So you're just assuming that their entire marketing departement has no idea of what they are doing? Im not claiming to know anything about economics but at least I trust people who are educated on the subject to do something close to the right thing. They believe that Sc2 will be a more profitable market for them, therefore they are sponsoring an sc2 league. And that's the end of it. I never stated to know for sure that it would profit them more than sponsoring a BW league, i only stated possible reasons for them to sponsor sc2 instead.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
Yeah, I'm sure Auction, a subsidiary of eBay, completely abandoned every rule of Capitalism and invested in something that they see zero true profit potential in. Thanks for your wonderfully thought out and constructive criticism. You then followed that up with this golden nugget of human intelligence:
Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
I think it's time you take off the tin foil hat and return to the BW section of the forums. It's pretty clear you know very little, about anything, and you're just bitter about OGN picking up SC2. Yeah, the entire staff, including the administration and moderation teams of this site will not ban you or warn you for spreading your moronic drivel, because they don't care when BW fans act this stupid in the SC2 sections. But that doesn't mean we have to accept it.
So if this is so straightforward explain how they're supposed to profit from this but couldn't with BW?
Starcraft 2 is a growing market with a massively diversifying fanbase and an expansion about six months away with constant growth in all territories which is currently doing what BW never managed and making esports mainstream in western countries. You don't hear of League of Legends on the news, because that's not how it works. It's Starcraft, Barcraft and Day[9] that fill arenas. It's SC2 that is pulling in sponsors like Red Bull who are the big commercial hitters who go on to fill friggin arenas.
They aren't hedging bets. The scene is colossal even compared to the Brood War Korean scene. It's just more spread out, which is basically a cue for more potential market growth.
You just don't understand. This isn't like shares of stock you can buy now for $20 and sell later for $40. They only benefit from the people watching right now.
No man. I'm saying that the shares in a company that were worth $50 and are now worth $10 and were worth shit all elsewhere are crap compared to the shares in a company that in their domestic market are worth $5 but are worth $15 in other markets and that is growing continually.
BW was dying for years. SC2 just hastened its demise on the virtue of being a more accessible game. Companies are smart to invest in SC2 rather than BW because anything with constant iteration and updates and supported by the developer and software/hardware houses directly is going to eventually be shoved into the limelight.
SC2 is already bigger than BW. Accept it, and move on. The only vague blip in that is League of Legends, but then Starcraft lived sided by side with the vastly more popular World of Warcraft arena and BW outlived that by three years or more.
Let's say it out loud together. Advertisement is not the stock market. A company spending money now gains nothing from people who might start watching years from now.
Disagree there. They still have plenty to gain, e.g. from VODs. GSL, for one, has a much greater VOD viewership than live viewership. Plus you're the one who brought up stocks in the first place.
On August 05 2012 20:36 phanto wrote:
the world's most prestigious e-Sports league
with BW gone, is this really the case anymore?
yes :D
I said it's not like stocks because people kept referring it to as an investment like buying bonds or something.
The only reason GSL has more VOD views is because international viewers can't wake up at 5am to watch it live. Since this isn't an international company (at least it it's being presented specifically as Auction rather than ebay) international views don't really mean anything.
Yeah the SC2 osl has the potential to be a disappointment for korean local sponsors. When you look at the PC bang data SC2 is really low compared to the popular games so the fundamentals arent really there for a large local scene.
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
Yeah, I'm sure Auction, a subsidiary of eBay, completely abandoned every rule of Capitalism and invested in something that they see zero true profit potential in. Thanks for your wonderfully thought out and constructive criticism. You then followed that up with this golden nugget of human intelligence:
Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
I think it's time you take off the tin foil hat and return to the BW section of the forums. It's pretty clear you know very little, about anything, and you're just bitter about OGN picking up SC2. Yeah, the entire staff, including the administration and moderation teams of this site will not ban you or warn you for spreading your moronic drivel, because they don't care when BW fans act this stupid in the SC2 sections. But that doesn't mean we have to accept it.
So if this is so straightforward explain how they're supposed to profit from this but couldn't with BW?
Starcraft 2 is a growing market with a massively diversifying fanbase and an expansion about six months away with constant growth in all territories which is currently doing what BW never managed and making esports mainstream in western countries. You don't hear of League of Legends on the news, because that's not how it works. It's Starcraft, Barcraft and Day[9] that fill arenas. It's SC2 that is pulling in sponsors like Red Bull who are the big commercial hitters who go on to fill friggin arenas.
They aren't hedging bets. The scene is colossal even compared to the Brood War Korean scene. It's just more spread out, which is basically a cue for more potential market growth.
You just don't understand. This isn't like shares of stock you can buy now for $20 and sell later for $40. They only benefit from the people watching right now.
No man. I'm saying that the shares in a company that were worth $50 and are now worth $10 and were worth shit all elsewhere are crap compared to the shares in a company that in their domestic market are worth $5 but are worth $15 in other markets and that is growing continually.
BW was dying for years. SC2 just hastened its demise on the virtue of being a more accessible game. Companies are smart to invest in SC2 rather than BW because anything with constant iteration and updates and supported by the developer and software/hardware houses directly is going to eventually be shoved into the limelight.
SC2 is already bigger than BW. Accept it, and move on. The only vague blip in that is League of Legends, but then Starcraft lived sided by side with the vastly more popular World of Warcraft arena and BW outlived that by three years or more.
Let's say it out loud together. Advertisement is not the stock market. A company spending money now gains nothing from people who might start watching years from now.
You are wasting your time arguing on the internet.
Realize that while what you say is logical (and correct), the people who you're talking to aren't here to listen, they are not open to new ideas, and they won't change their mind, all they want to do is to "win" the argument. This is human nature:
Again, you are wasting your time, none of these people matter in the least (and neither do us), you wouldn't bother spending that much time on them in real life, and you shouldn't on the internet. The time you spent bothering with others should be spent actively achieving your goals.
The links you presented actually assume that the opposition has facts, which he doesn't :/
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
Yeah, I'm sure Auction, a subsidiary of eBay, completely abandoned every rule of Capitalism and invested in something that they see zero true profit potential in. Thanks for your wonderfully thought out and constructive criticism. You then followed that up with this golden nugget of human intelligence:
Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
I think it's time you take off the tin foil hat and return to the BW section of the forums. It's pretty clear you know very little, about anything, and you're just bitter about OGN picking up SC2. Yeah, the entire staff, including the administration and moderation teams of this site will not ban you or warn you for spreading your moronic drivel, because they don't care when BW fans act this stupid in the SC2 sections. But that doesn't mean we have to accept it.
So if this is so straightforward explain how they're supposed to profit from this but couldn't with BW?
Starcraft 2 is a growing market with a massively diversifying fanbase and an expansion about six months away with constant growth in all territories which is currently doing what BW never managed and making esports mainstream in western countries. You don't hear of League of Legends on the news, because that's not how it works. It's Starcraft, Barcraft and Day[9] that fill arenas. It's SC2 that is pulling in sponsors like Red Bull who are the big commercial hitters who go on to fill friggin arenas.
They aren't hedging bets. The scene is colossal even compared to the Brood War Korean scene. It's just more spread out, which is basically a cue for more potential market growth.
You just don't understand. This isn't like shares of stock you can buy now for $20 and sell later for $40. They only benefit from the people watching right now.
No man. I'm saying that the shares in a company that were worth $50 and are now worth $10 and were worth shit all elsewhere are crap compared to the shares in a company that in their domestic market are worth $5 but are worth $15 in other markets and that is growing continually.
BW was dying for years. SC2 just hastened its demise on the virtue of being a more accessible game. Companies are smart to invest in SC2 rather than BW because anything with constant iteration and updates and supported by the developer and software/hardware houses directly is going to eventually be shoved into the limelight.
SC2 is already bigger than BW. Accept it, and move on. The only vague blip in that is League of Legends, but then Starcraft lived sided by side with the vastly more popular World of Warcraft arena and BW outlived that by three years or more.
Let me get one thing straight. The scene is really no bigger than what it was from before when we include the TV ratings. As the other guy put it a few quotes ago the only difference now is that it's more spread out.
Yet right before he says that he says the scene is more colossal than what the scene was. A funny contradiction. The only big change is the fact that the foreign community is more of an active participant in it now.
We all gather on the different B.Net servers now instead of several places so the numbers are easy to see and the modest unique viewers isn't that difficult to calculate.
As for another quote in this pile of crap, since when was WoW arena more popular? BW moved on and outlived that crap for several reasons.
Oh yeah another thing, bucko. BW was very accessible. Why the fuck you think it did so well in the first place? Derrrrrrr.
Seriously people need to stop talking as if they know what they're talking about. You're just rambling and firing blanks.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
Yeah, I'm sure Auction, a subsidiary of eBay, completely abandoned every rule of Capitalism and invested in something that they see zero true profit potential in. Thanks for your wonderfully thought out and constructive criticism. You then followed that up with this golden nugget of human intelligence:
Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
I think it's time you take off the tin foil hat and return to the BW section of the forums. It's pretty clear you know very little, about anything, and you're just bitter about OGN picking up SC2. Yeah, the entire staff, including the administration and moderation teams of this site will not ban you or warn you for spreading your moronic drivel, because they don't care when BW fans act this stupid in the SC2 sections. But that doesn't mean we have to accept it.
So if this is so straightforward explain how they're supposed to profit from this but couldn't with BW?
Starcraft 2 is a growing market with a massively diversifying fanbase and an expansion about six months away with constant growth in all territories which is currently doing what BW never managed and making esports mainstream in western countries. You don't hear of League of Legends on the news, because that's not how it works. It's Starcraft, Barcraft and Day[9] that fill arenas. It's SC2 that is pulling in sponsors like Red Bull who are the big commercial hitters who go on to fill friggin arenas.
They aren't hedging bets. The scene is colossal even compared to the Brood War Korean scene. It's just more spread out, which is basically a cue for more potential market growth.
You just don't understand. This isn't like shares of stock you can buy now for $20 and sell later for $40. They only benefit from the people watching right now.
No man. I'm saying that the shares in a company that were worth $50 and are now worth $10 and were worth shit all elsewhere are crap compared to the shares in a company that in their domestic market are worth $5 but are worth $15 in other markets and that is growing continually.
BW was dying for years. SC2 just hastened its demise on the virtue of being a more accessible game. Companies are smart to invest in SC2 rather than BW because anything with constant iteration and updates and supported by the developer and software/hardware houses directly is going to eventually be shoved into the limelight.
SC2 is already bigger than BW. Accept it, and move on. The only vague blip in that is League of Legends, but then Starcraft lived sided by side with the vastly more popular World of Warcraft arena and BW outlived that by three years or more.
Let's say it out loud together. Advertisement is not the stock market. A company spending money now gains nothing from people who might start watching years from now.
You are wasting your time arguing on the internet.
Realize that while what you say is logical (and correct), the people who you're talking to aren't here to listen, they are not open to new ideas, and they won't change their mind, all they want to do is to "win" the argument. This is human nature:
Again, you are wasting your time, none of these people matter in the least (and neither do us), you wouldn't bother spending that much time on them in real life, and you shouldn't on the internet. The time you spent bothering with others should be spent actively achieving your goals.
The links you presented actually assume that the opposition has facts, which he doesn't :/
On August 05 2012 21:01 lololol wrote: Stop arguing guys.
People that have watched a SC2 OSL = 0 People that have watched a BW OSL > 0
Therefore no sponsor in their right mind would ever sponsor an SC2 OSL. SEE? MY NUMBERS AREN'T EVEN MADE UP!
IT'S AN OBVIOUS CONSPIRACY! TYPICAL ILLUMINATI!
I lol'd so hard.
Seriously though, it's great news that they've a sponsor lined up for the kick off tournament. Hopefully it'll be a success, and this is the start of a prosperous run for the SC2 OSL in Korea
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
Yeah, I'm sure Auction, a subsidiary of eBay, completely abandoned every rule of Capitalism and invested in something that they see zero true profit potential in. Thanks for your wonderfully thought out and constructive criticism. You then followed that up with this golden nugget of human intelligence:
Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
I think it's time you take off the tin foil hat and return to the BW section of the forums. It's pretty clear you know very little, about anything, and you're just bitter about OGN picking up SC2. Yeah, the entire staff, including the administration and moderation teams of this site will not ban you or warn you for spreading your moronic drivel, because they don't care when BW fans act this stupid in the SC2 sections. But that doesn't mean we have to accept it.
So if this is so straightforward explain how they're supposed to profit from this but couldn't with BW?
It's a rather simply concept. Would you rather support a growing market or one that is declining? I'm sure the economists and the lead board has a rather good idea of what will profit their company. They probably would profit from supporting BW as well, but chose not to because of the declining market.
You guys don't understand how sponsorship works at all.
Look at it this way: if you were trying to sell a product, would you rather advertise on a tv show that used to have 500,000 viewers but only has 100,000 now, or a show that has 50,000 viewers right now but might have 500,000 viewers later? Obviously the first one since 100,000 is more than 50,000. Trends don't matter because even if viewership increases in the future, those new viewers won't be seeing your commercial.
You're basically saying that Coca-Cola somehow profited from the Daum 2007 OSL just because they sponsored it back in 2001.
LOL You should stop playing SC and go to school bro very poor post
Yes .. ? Why not ? , after BW gone im sure Kespa , blizzard and all sponsors gonna make sc2 huge in KR. Its biznes..they wanna cash .. so Sc2 must by big.
On August 05 2012 12:59 Dodgin wrote: Reading the title alone I thought OGN was holding an auction to raise money to sponsor the next OSL or something ridiculous like that.
I think OSL will push sc2 really far in terms of spectator experience.
We need to support the shit out of the first OSL the same way we did when GSL started. Make LR threads the day before. bump them constantly to make people aware. Make threads on reddit. Email OSL about feedback.
SC 2 can't manage this many tournaments. Why did Blizzard have to basically kill BW and why didn't KESPA fight for it more. BW had peak numbers in 2010 it was doing fine and the 2011/2012 SPL was full all the time now people barely show up for SC2... SC 2 is over saturated and it's going to kill the scene the only reason BW survived for 14 years was the fact that it only had 2 tournaments running at a time.
On August 05 2012 22:37 dubRa wrote: I think OSL will push sc2 really far in terms of spectator experience.
We need to support the shit out of the first OSL the same way we did when GSL started. Make LR threads the day before. bump them constantly to make people aware. Make threads on reddit. Email OSL about feedback.
I've been already making OSL ODT threads days in advance ;D and probe1 will be LR'ing too! everyone needs to jump on the bandwagon!!!!! support :D
On August 05 2012 22:37 dubRa wrote: I think OSL will push sc2 really far in terms of spectator experience.
We need to support the shit out of the first OSL the same way we did when GSL started. Make LR threads the day before. bump them constantly to make people aware. Make threads on reddit. Email OSL about feedback.
That's all well and good, but everybody on TL already knows about the OSL. BW is dead I'm fine with it I also love SC 2 soo if people want to help out go to a foreign forum (as in non-sc2) and make a constructive post about SC 2 and it's competition.
On August 05 2012 22:37 dubRa wrote: I think OSL will push sc2 really far in terms of spectator experience.
We need to support the shit out of the first OSL the same way we did when GSL started. Make LR threads the day before. bump them constantly to make people aware. Make threads on reddit. Email OSL about feedback.
That's all well and good, but everybody on TL already knows about the OSL. BW is dead I'm fine with it I also love SC 2 soo if people want to help out go to a foreign forum (as in non-sc2) and make a constructive post about SC 2 and it's competition.
Knowing about it is about 1% of the battle. We need OGN to know that we know about it, and that we like it. That means so much more than actually watching it.
On August 05 2012 22:37 dubRa wrote: I think OSL will push sc2 really far in terms of spectator experience.
We need to support the shit out of the first OSL the same way we did when GSL started. Make LR threads the day before. bump them constantly to make people aware. Make threads on reddit. Email OSL about feedback.
That's all well and good, but everybody on TL already knows about the OSL. BW is dead I'm fine with it I also love SC 2 soo if people want to help out go to a foreign forum (as in non-sc2) and make a constructive post about SC 2 and it's competition.
Knowing about it is about 1% of the battle. We need OGN to know that we know about it, and that we like it. That means so much more than actually watching it.
To OGN and KeSPA's eyes, based on how they've historically acted, they don't give MUCH of a shit to the foreign audience. If you want them to listen and continue with this, convince the Korean people you know to be doing the hype. Just look at who they got to sponsor the OSL, it's still primarily focused to the Korean market, not a brand that could also help the OSL's international image.
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
Yeah, I'm sure Auction, a subsidiary of eBay, completely abandoned every rule of Capitalism and invested in something that they see zero true profit potential in. Thanks for your wonderfully thought out and constructive criticism. You then followed that up with this golden nugget of human intelligence:
Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
I think it's time you take off the tin foil hat and return to the BW section of the forums. It's pretty clear you know very little, about anything, and you're just bitter about OGN picking up SC2. Yeah, the entire staff, including the administration and moderation teams of this site will not ban you or warn you for spreading your moronic drivel, because they don't care when BW fans act this stupid in the SC2 sections. But that doesn't mean we have to accept it.
So if this is so straightforward explain how they're supposed to profit from this but couldn't with BW?
Starcraft 2 is a growing market with a massively diversifying fanbase and an expansion about six months away with constant growth in all territories which is currently doing what BW never managed and making esports mainstream in western countries. You don't hear of League of Legends on the news, because that's not how it works. It's Starcraft, Barcraft and Day[9] that fill arenas. It's SC2 that is pulling in sponsors like Red Bull who are the big commercial hitters who go on to fill friggin arenas.
They aren't hedging bets. The scene is colossal even compared to the Brood War Korean scene. It's just more spread out, which is basically a cue for more potential market growth.
SC2 scene really isn't that big. Neither was BW in global terms. But BW, as well know, was big in local terms but same cannot be said of SC2. Sure, if you add in everything, it seems big but look at any part of the whole, and there isn't really much going on. It is basically community driven, with Blizzard pumping money into it. It is a stepping stone for western esports. Nice, but that's all it is. A stepping stone. BW is what esports are when someone uses that stone to step higher. Official and legit, like a real sport. SC2 has a long way to go if it thinks it can fill BWs shoes. I don't think it ever will actually. Some game in the future perhaps, but not this one. It will remain a niche hobby even if a global one.
On August 05 2012 22:37 dubRa wrote: I think OSL will push sc2 really far in terms of spectator experience.
We need to support the shit out of the first OSL the same way we did when GSL started. Make LR threads the day before. bump them constantly to make people aware. Make threads on reddit. Email OSL about feedback.
That's all well and good, but everybody on TL already knows about the OSL. BW is dead I'm fine with it I also love SC 2 soo if people want to help out go to a foreign forum (as in non-sc2) and make a constructive post about SC 2 and it's competition.
Knowing about it is about 1% of the battle. We need OGN to know that we know about it, and that we like it. That means so much more than actually watching it.
To OGN and KeSPA's eyes, based on how they've historically acted, they don't give MUCH of a shit to the foreign audience. If you want them to listen and continue with this, convince the Korean people you know to be doing the hype. Just look at who they got to sponsor the OSL, it's still primarily focused to the Korean market, not a brand that could also help the OSL's international image.
True but the recent recruiting of English OGN commentators implies that they have done their research. They know about the foreign scene in SC2. But so what? SC2 is a downgrade compared to BW in Korea in terms of size. I see OGN becoming a more common tournament like GSL over time, as it won't be feasible for the proteam sponsors to spend so much money on esports anymore. After all, some of them are entireIy local.
I predict that Koreans will decline and foreigners will improve and the equilibrium is somewhere close to what foreigners are now. No more Korean proteams but these teams that evolved from foreign clans.
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
Yeah, I'm sure Auction, a subsidiary of eBay, completely abandoned every rule of Capitalism and invested in something that they see zero true profit potential in. Thanks for your wonderfully thought out and constructive criticism. You then followed that up with this golden nugget of human intelligence:
Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
I think it's time you take off the tin foil hat and return to the BW section of the forums. It's pretty clear you know very little, about anything, and you're just bitter about OGN picking up SC2. Yeah, the entire staff, including the administration and moderation teams of this site will not ban you or warn you for spreading your moronic drivel, because they don't care when BW fans act this stupid in the SC2 sections. But that doesn't mean we have to accept it.
So if this is so straightforward explain how they're supposed to profit from this but couldn't with BW?
Starcraft 2 is a growing market with a massively diversifying fanbase and an expansion about six months away with constant growth in all territories which is currently doing what BW never managed and making esports mainstream in western countries. You don't hear of League of Legends on the news, because that's not how it works. It's Starcraft, Barcraft and Day[9] that fill arenas. It's SC2 that is pulling in sponsors like Red Bull who are the big commercial hitters who go on to fill friggin arenas.
They aren't hedging bets. The scene is colossal even compared to the Brood War Korean scene. It's just more spread out, which is basically a cue for more potential market growth.
SC2 scene really isn't that big. Neither was BW in global terms. But BW, as well know, was big in local terms but same cannot be said of SC2. Sure, if you add in everything, it seems big but look at any part of the whole, and there isn't really much going on. It is basically community driven, with Blizzard pumping money into it. It is a stepping stone for western esports. Nice, but that's all it is. A stepping stone. BW is what esports are when someone uses that stone to step higher. Official and legit, like a real sport. SC2 has a long way to go if it thinks it can fill BWs shoes. I don't think it ever will actually. Some game in the future perhaps, but not this one. It will remain a niche hobby even if a global one.
People like you are going to have such a hard time integrating into the post-BW era of TL.
Community driven? Foreigner BW was community driven. We're money driven. Money from big named multi-national corporations that can buy and sell us without breaking a sweat before their morning tea and crumpets.
This was my less-than-comprehensive list of sponsors/corporations involved in SC2 esports OVER A YEAR AGO:
On August 05 2012 12:57 blade55555 wrote: Oh that was fast, glad to see them get a sponsor fast especially when just switching to sc2 ^_^.
they had a sponsor for a while. in fact ogn apparently had sponsors eager to sponsor sc2 osls while they've been having quite a hard time getting bw sponsors. there was some stuff about when they were trying to get bw sponsors the companies not being interested in bw but interested in sc2
On August 05 2012 13:06 Gryffes wrote: Whats the deal with korean companies typically only sponsoring one season of something like this instead of more typical western long term deals? Cultural I guess, but I don't get it.
it's pretty expensive to sponsor an osl (well, maybe not that expensive anymore given the scale of the events now). but generally the fans who follow this closely will always refer to a specific starleague by the company that sponsored it (ie: jinair osl, clubday msl) no matter how long it has been so it's pretty good publicity. so it's kind of different from "mlg being sponsored by dr pepper" where we still remember it as "mlg columbus 2012" rather than "dr pepper mlg"
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
bw has been declining in popularity/rating for quite a bit for now. basically sc2 is the only way the scene is going to revive in korea, rather than going down the slow decline.
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
SC2 is an insanely popular game outside of Korea and has a gigantic international e-sports scene. Any Korean company can see that, go, 'Wow, if we play our cards right, this can succeed in Korea!' and invest in the future.
It's stupid to think the OSL SC2 can't be popular. Will the first season be the same as the LAST EVER BW OSL season or LoL The Champions in term of attendance? No, probably not. But if the studio is filled for the Ro16 on and the final has 2,000+ fans, then I'll call it a success and a good starting point.
most people who watched bw weren't "hardcore" fans like they are at teamliquid. they're quite casual players who just follows the players/teams over anything else, and the commentators really do create the storylines for them to make it entertaining. so yes osl sc2 def has potential to be popular, but it'll depend on how much of the players with the fan base rises and stays (ie: boxer/nada swapping caused a huge rise of interest in sc2 that died off really really quickly, but most of the biggest boxer/nada fans are fairly old nowadays, so it'll depend more on what happens when players with active fanbases swap over)
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
Yeah, I'm sure Auction, a subsidiary of eBay, completely abandoned every rule of Capitalism and invested in something that they see zero true profit potential in. Thanks for your wonderfully thought out and constructive criticism. You then followed that up with this golden nugget of human intelligence:
Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
I think it's time you take off the tin foil hat and return to the BW section of the forums. It's pretty clear you know very little, about anything, and you're just bitter about OGN picking up SC2. Yeah, the entire staff, including the administration and moderation teams of this site will not ban you or warn you for spreading your moronic drivel, because they don't care when BW fans act this stupid in the SC2 sections. But that doesn't mean we have to accept it.
So if this is so straightforward explain how they're supposed to profit from this but couldn't with BW?
Starcraft 2 is a growing market with a massively diversifying fanbase and an expansion about six months away with constant growth in all territories which is currently doing what BW never managed and making esports mainstream in western countries. You don't hear of League of Legends on the news, because that's not how it works. It's Starcraft, Barcraft and Day[9] that fill arenas. It's SC2 that is pulling in sponsors like Red Bull who are the big commercial hitters who go on to fill friggin arenas.
They aren't hedging bets. The scene is colossal even compared to the Brood War Korean scene. It's just more spread out, which is basically a cue for more potential market growth.
SC2 scene really isn't that big. Neither was BW in global terms. But BW, as well know, was big in local terms but same cannot be said of SC2. Sure, if you add in everything, it seems big but look at any part of the whole, and there isn't really much going on. It is basically community driven, with Blizzard pumping money into it. It is a stepping stone for western esports. Nice, but that's all it is. A stepping stone. BW is what esports are when someone uses that stone to step higher. Official and legit, like a real sport. SC2 has a long way to go if it thinks it can fill BWs shoes. I don't think it ever will actually. Some game in the future perhaps, but not this one. It will remain a niche hobby even if a global one.
People like you are going to have such a hard time integrating into the post-BW era of TL.
Community driven? Foreigner BW was community driven. We're money driven. Money from big named multi-national corporations that can buy and sell us without breaking a sweat before their morning tea and crumpets.
This was my less-than-comprehensive list of sponsors/corporations involved in SC2 esports OVER A YEAR AGO:
I've lost the will to write a novel, so I haven't updated it to current standards.
BW sponsors are on a different level than sc2 sponsors, i think everytime sc2 gets a sponsor they're so willing to advertise it. meanwhile bw only really went for the big ones. the amount that were being poured into bw is much more than you think...
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
Yeah, I'm sure Auction, a subsidiary of eBay, completely abandoned every rule of Capitalism and invested in something that they see zero true profit potential in. Thanks for your wonderfully thought out and constructive criticism. You then followed that up with this golden nugget of human intelligence:
Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
I think it's time you take off the tin foil hat and return to the BW section of the forums. It's pretty clear you know very little, about anything, and you're just bitter about OGN picking up SC2. Yeah, the entire staff, including the administration and moderation teams of this site will not ban you or warn you for spreading your moronic drivel, because they don't care when BW fans act this stupid in the SC2 sections. But that doesn't mean we have to accept it.
So if this is so straightforward explain how they're supposed to profit from this but couldn't with BW?
Starcraft 2 is a growing market with a massively diversifying fanbase and an expansion about six months away with constant growth in all territories which is currently doing what BW never managed and making esports mainstream in western countries. You don't hear of League of Legends on the news, because that's not how it works. It's Starcraft, Barcraft and Day[9] that fill arenas. It's SC2 that is pulling in sponsors like Red Bull who are the big commercial hitters who go on to fill friggin arenas.
They aren't hedging bets. The scene is colossal even compared to the Brood War Korean scene. It's just more spread out, which is basically a cue for more potential market growth.
SC2 scene really isn't that big. Neither was BW in global terms. But BW, as well know, was big in local terms but same cannot be said of SC2. Sure, if you add in everything, it seems big but look at any part of the whole, and there isn't really much going on. It is basically community driven, with Blizzard pumping money into it. It is a stepping stone for western esports. Nice, but that's all it is. A stepping stone. BW is what esports are when someone uses that stone to step higher. Official and legit, like a real sport. SC2 has a long way to go if it thinks it can fill BWs shoes. I don't think it ever will actually. Some game in the future perhaps, but not this one. It will remain a niche hobby even if a global one.
People like you are going to have such a hard time integrating into the post-BW era of TL.
Community driven? Foreigner BW was community driven. We're money driven. Money from big named multi-national corporations that can buy and sell us without breaking a sweat before their morning tea and crumpets.
This was my less-than-comprehensive list of sponsors involved in SC2 esports OVER A YEAR AGO:
I've lost the will to write a novel, so I haven't updated it to current standards.
What makes you think so? TL hasn't been very good for the past two years. Not much is going to change.
Oh, did you think I was talking about foreign BW? Being sponsored is only half of the story. How big is that sponsorship is a much more interesting story. When I see team Coca Cola Conquerors facing against Samsung Khan, your list becomes interesting.
@Milkis My point was not that OSL/OGN relied upon the community. I don't disagree that the major KR events/organizations had huge sponsorships in BW. It was more about everything else. To call SC2 community driven in comparison to BW which to this day was still community driven outside of Korea (Sayle, anyone?) is pretty silly.
@Squeegy Title sponsorships are beginning to pop up more frequently. Raidcall (which is apparently a huge market in China) is the title sponsor of both Fnatic and Evil Geniuses. With OSL moving to SC2, we will see events being named after such sponsorships as we did in BW, and this will likely become common in the GSL once OGN sets the standard in Korea. We've had events like the Red Bull Battlegrounds, entirely funded by Red Bull with great players/casters, which actually turned out to be a much larger event than I thought it would be.
On August 05 2012 13:09 BrosephBrostar wrote: So why would this company sponsor SC2 but not BW? It doesn't seem like they're trying to advertise to international viewers, and as far as I can tell SC2 is still not very popular in Korea.
The thing is that it has potential to be a popular game in Korea. Just like it happened everywhere else. If GSL is happy with subscriptions, OGN will be too.
Yeah and a middleschooler has the potential to become a great NBA player. You don't see the Lakers scouting 7th graders.
Yeah, I'm sure Auction, a subsidiary of eBay, completely abandoned every rule of Capitalism and invested in something that they see zero true profit potential in. Thanks for your wonderfully thought out and constructive criticism. You then followed that up with this golden nugget of human intelligence:
Do people not want to use their brains? Or are they unwilling to entertain the thought that their game might not be good enough to make it without shady dealings?
I think it's time you take off the tin foil hat and return to the BW section of the forums. It's pretty clear you know very little, about anything, and you're just bitter about OGN picking up SC2. Yeah, the entire staff, including the administration and moderation teams of this site will not ban you or warn you for spreading your moronic drivel, because they don't care when BW fans act this stupid in the SC2 sections. But that doesn't mean we have to accept it.
So if this is so straightforward explain how they're supposed to profit from this but couldn't with BW?
Starcraft 2 is a growing market with a massively diversifying fanbase and an expansion about six months away with constant growth in all territories which is currently doing what BW never managed and making esports mainstream in western countries. You don't hear of League of Legends on the news, because that's not how it works. It's Starcraft, Barcraft and Day[9] that fill arenas. It's SC2 that is pulling in sponsors like Red Bull who are the big commercial hitters who go on to fill friggin arenas.
They aren't hedging bets. The scene is colossal even compared to the Brood War Korean scene. It's just more spread out, which is basically a cue for more potential market growth.
SC2 scene really isn't that big. Neither was BW in global terms. But BW, as well know, was big in local terms but same cannot be said of SC2. Sure, if you add in everything, it seems big but look at any part of the whole, and there isn't really much going on. It is basically community driven, with Blizzard pumping money into it. It is a stepping stone for western esports. Nice, but that's all it is. A stepping stone. BW is what esports are when someone uses that stone to step higher. Official and legit, like a real sport. SC2 has a long way to go if it thinks it can fill BWs shoes. I don't think it ever will actually. Some game in the future perhaps, but not this one. It will remain a niche hobby even if a global one.
People like you are going to have such a hard time integrating into the post-BW era of TL.
Community driven? Foreigner BW was community driven. We're money driven. Money from big named multi-national corporations that can buy and sell us without breaking a sweat before their morning tea and crumpets.
This was my less-than-comprehensive list of sponsors involved in SC2 esports OVER A YEAR AGO:
I've lost the will to write a novel, so I haven't updated it to current standards.
What makes you think so? TL hasn't been very good for the past two years. Not much is going to change.
Oh, did you think I was talking about foreign BW? Being sponsored is only half of the story. How big is that sponsorship is a much more interesting story. When I see team Coca Cola Conquerors facing against Samsung Khan, your list becomes interesting.
On August 05 2012 23:32 Chargelot wrote: @Milkis My point was not that OSL/OGN relied upon the community. I don't disagree that the major KR events/organizations had huge sponsorships in BW. It was more about everything else. To call SC2 community driven in comparison to BW which to this day was still community driven outside of Korea (Sayle, anyone?) is pretty silly.
ehh i just didnt like the fact that you just listed a bunch of corporations without knowing how much they actually sponsored.
i mean listing some of the beverage companies that sponsor teams with free drinks is kind of like "uhhhhh"
On August 05 2012 23:32 Chargelot wrote: @Milkis My point was not that OSL/OGN relied upon the community. I don't disagree that the major KR events/organizations had huge sponsorships in BW. It was more about everything else. To call SC2 community driven in comparison to BW which to this day was still community driven outside of Korea (Sayle, anyone?) is pretty silly.
ehh i just didnt like the fact that you just listed a bunch of corporations without knowing how much they actually sponsored.
i mean listing some of the beverage companies that sponsor teams with free drinks is kind of like "uhhhhh"
Pepsi sponsored a whole season of GSL, and I think Coke did the same? If they did, that was really early on. Hot 6ix sponsored this past GSL. But yeah, some of those company's haven't provided much. But what they have provided can't be boiled down to community driving.
If anything, the SC2 community has/is done/doing far less for its game than the BW community did, and can take a lesson from the BW community and do more for it. If we had the community at our backs like BW did, there wouldn't even be questions about our validity because we'd be in such a stronger position. For now it feels like we only survive on the corporate dollars, not because we have community.
On August 05 2012 23:32 Chargelot wrote: @Milkis My point was not that OSL/OGN relied upon the community. I don't disagree that the major KR events/organizations had huge sponsorships in BW. It was more about everything else. To call SC2 community driven in comparison to BW which to this day was still community driven outside of Korea (Sayle, anyone?) is pretty silly.
ehh i just didnt like the fact that you just listed a bunch of corporations without knowing how much they actually sponsored.
i mean listing some of the beverage companies that sponsor teams with free drinks is kind of like "uhhhhh"
Pepsi sponsored a whole season of GSL, and I think Coke did the same? If they did, that was really early on. Hot 6ix sponsored this past GSL. But yeah, some of those company's haven't provided much. But what they have provided can't be boiled down to community driving.
If anything, the SC2 community has/is done/doing far less for its game than the BW community did, and can take a lesson from the BW community and do more for it. If we had the community at our backs like BW did, there wouldn't even be questions about our validity because we'd be in such a stronger position. For now it feels like we only survive on the corporate dollars, not because we have community.
the stuff about beverages was just a passing comment~ i'm just noting that the sponsors are fairly small, even the ones that sponsored gsl (gsl is dirt cheap to sponsor compared to osl/msl and it shows)
the thing is bw died exactly because the community did not want to support it. it's because the big leagues were so dependent on sponsors that the sponsors had full control of the scene like in bw (hi kespa). there was never a community that supported bw in korea and if there's some now it's a bit "too little too late" because it's hard to get new people hooked. it's what's forcing the switch and the sponsors aren't really listening to the fans cause the fans think everything should be free
i dunno, sc2 is still more community based than bw ever was. i mean, community is willing to pay to support leagues which i think is great, because it just means as long as the money is there the scene will survive, although maybe it'll downsize a bit. i dunno how the leagues are doing exactly in financial situations but i figure people are paying for it and then trying to get sponsors to help mount the costs. it needs to be a community sponsored endeavor if it wants to survive past the current phases where most of the biggest leagues (probably) aren't profitable yet
On August 05 2012 23:32 Chargelot wrote: @Milkis My point was not that OSL/OGN relied upon the community. I don't disagree that the major KR events/organizations had huge sponsorships in BW. It was more about everything else. To call SC2 community driven in comparison to BW which to this day was still community driven outside of Korea (Sayle, anyone?) is pretty silly.
@Squeegy Title sponsorships are beginning to pop up more frequently. Raidcall (which is apparently a huge market in China) is the title sponsor of both Fnatic and Evil Geniuses. With OSL moving to SC2, we will see events being named after such sponsorships as we did in BW, and this will likely become common in the GSL once OGN sets the standard in Korea. We've had events like the Red Bull Battlegrounds, entirely funded by Red Bull with great players/casters, which actually turned out to be a much larger event than I thought it would be.
I'm sorry, is that what you thought I meant? The Squeegy Terminators vs STX Soul. Do you see a problem there?
I would suggest you look at the salaries and team houses of the proteams to get a better idea of what I am saying. Have Justin Bieber do a reality show with the Pepsi Commandos. I am sure you would like that.
On August 05 2012 23:32 Chargelot wrote: @Milkis My point was not that OSL/OGN relied upon the community. I don't disagree that the major KR events/organizations had huge sponsorships in BW. It was more about everything else. To call SC2 community driven in comparison to BW which to this day was still community driven outside of Korea (Sayle, anyone?) is pretty silly.
@Squeegy Title sponsorships are beginning to pop up more frequently. Raidcall (which is apparently a huge market in China) is the title sponsor of both Fnatic and Evil Geniuses. With OSL moving to SC2, we will see events being named after such sponsorships as we did in BW, and this will likely become common in the GSL once OGN sets the standard in Korea. We've had events like the Red Bull Battlegrounds, entirely funded by Red Bull with great players/casters, which actually turned out to be a much larger event than I thought it would be.
I'm sorry, is that what you thought I meant? The Squeegy Terminators vs STX Soul. Do you see a problem there?
I would suggest you look at the salaries and team houses of the proteams to get a better idea of what I am saying. Have Justin Bieber do a reality show with the Pepsi Commandos. I am sure you would like that.
out of fairness, I'm going to assume that this is a me problem, and not a you problem, but I actually have no idea what you're saying.
So I like that osl is getting a big sponsor, and if this really is the korean branch of ebay then that counts as a big sponsor. However, my problem is that without tastosis, it will never be the premier korean sc2 tournament, but its production values are probably going to be so much better than gsl's
I wonder how many sponsors vied over the title sponsorship of the new SC2 OSL. Good to see that things are looking up sponsorwise for StarLeague and potentially ProLeague as well. I'm sure the interest in SC2 in Korea, now covered by a real TV station and with HotS coming out soon, will improve a lot. Maybe even Team 8 will find a sponsor now.
On August 05 2012 15:40 b0mBerMan wrote: I honestly dont feel too excited for broodwar guys getting in sc2. sure they might increase the hype for a time, but ultimately i feel sc2 is a different game and their skill wont cross over easily.
Funny, i bet 6 months ago you were saying the complete opposite. Now that you realize that most of the BW players are not going to be beating sc2 pros
On August 06 2012 00:22 TBone- wrote: I'm really happy sc2 will now have an event that when you win it, it actually means something.
Ah i don´t know. What makes you think that the OSL will be held in higher regard than MLG or GSL? i doubt that we will have once again big tournaments that are the peak of a full year or so of Starcraft, just because there are so many and sc2 is growingly fast moving. For example look at the current TSL4. The TSL used to be THE foreign tournament in bw times. Like TSl1 and TSL2. But for some reason the current TSl doesnt have the same hype and i think it is because there are to many other "top of the scene" tournaments. Well before i get more OT, im glad that OSL found a sponsor that quick aswell.
On August 06 2012 00:12 strongandbig wrote: So I like that osl is getting a big sponsor, and if this really is the korean branch of ebay then that counts as a big sponsor. However, my problem is that without tastosis, it will never be the premier korean sc2 tournament, but its production values are probably going to be so much better than gsl's
I know that casters weigh a lot but don't tell me that if it's not tastosis the event can't be better than GSL or can't be a major, premier event. I will watch it no matter what, but still hope that they hire Sayle because he was he is he will be my favourite caster. But if they don't well the event won't fall into oblivion and collapse in my eyes.
the first sc2 osl hasnt even finished, we are only judging it by its BW past. In terms of prize pool , player level , casters (english) etc etc GSL is still better until proven otherwise... the OSL got a pretty insane qualie so maybe its ro16 upwards will be as good if not better than GSL. I do like how OSL have free stream at high quality though since i dont pay for gomtv subs
i just dont buy the prestige part just because OSL is older, especially since its not even sc2. if OSL is indeed better we will see for ourselves very soon
On August 05 2012 23:32 Chargelot wrote: @Milkis My point was not that OSL/OGN relied upon the community. I don't disagree that the major KR events/organizations had huge sponsorships in BW. It was more about everything else. To call SC2 community driven in comparison to BW which to this day was still community driven outside of Korea (Sayle, anyone?) is pretty silly.
@Squeegy Title sponsorships are beginning to pop up more frequently. Raidcall (which is apparently a huge market in China) is the title sponsor of both Fnatic and Evil Geniuses. With OSL moving to SC2, we will see events being named after such sponsorships as we did in BW, and this will likely become common in the GSL once OGN sets the standard in Korea. We've had events like the Red Bull Battlegrounds, entirely funded by Red Bull with great players/casters, which actually turned out to be a much larger event than I thought it would be.
I'm sorry, is that what you thought I meant? The Squeegy Terminators vs STX Soul. Do you see a problem there?
I would suggest you look at the salaries and team houses of the proteams to get a better idea of what I am saying. Have Justin Bieber do a reality show with the Pepsi Commandos. I am sure you would like that.
out of fairness, I'm going to assume that this is a me problem, and not a you problem, but I actually have no idea what you're saying.
I'm saying that there is not a single SC2 team comparable to a BW proteam. You thought having the sponsor's name was sufficient but of course it is not. There is much more to it. My Squeegy Terminators was supposed to illustrate that.
On August 06 2012 00:57 BlindKill wrote: the first sc2 osl hasnt even finished, we are only judging it by its BW past. In terms of prize pool , player level , casters (english) etc etc GSL is still better until proven otherwise... the OSL got a pretty insane qualie so maybe its ro16 upwards will be as good if not better than GSL. I do like how OSL have free stream at high quality though since i dont pay for gomtv subs
i just dont buy the prestige part just because OSL is older, especially since its not even sc2. if OSL is indeed better we will see for ourselves very soon
I also don't believe that Esports in Olympics (if it ever makes it there) will be bigger than Dreamhack. I don't buy all that prestige stuff, especially not when it comes from other sports. Tastosis forever!
On August 05 2012 23:32 Chargelot wrote: @Milkis My point was not that OSL/OGN relied upon the community. I don't disagree that the major KR events/organizations had huge sponsorships in BW. It was more about everything else. To call SC2 community driven in comparison to BW which to this day was still community driven outside of Korea (Sayle, anyone?) is pretty silly.
ehh i just didnt like the fact that you just listed a bunch of corporations without knowing how much they actually sponsored.
i mean listing some of the beverage companies that sponsor teams with free drinks is kind of like "uhhhhh"
Pepsi sponsored a whole season of GSL, and I think Coke did the same? If they did, that was really early on. Hot 6ix sponsored this past GSL. But yeah, some of those company's haven't provided much. But what they have provided can't be boiled down to community driving.
If anything, the SC2 community has/is done/doing far less for its game than the BW community did, and can take a lesson from the BW community and do more for it. If we had the community at our backs like BW did, there wouldn't even be questions about our validity because we'd be in such a stronger position. For now it feels like we only survive on the corporate dollars, not because we have community.
the stuff about beverages was just a passing comment~ i'm just noting that the sponsors are fairly small, even the ones that sponsored gsl (gsl is dirt cheap to sponsor compared to osl/msl and it shows)
the thing is bw died exactly because the community did not want to support it. it's because the big leagues were so dependent on sponsors that the sponsors had full control of the scene like in bw (hi kespa). there was never a community that supported bw in korea and if there's some now it's a bit "too little too late" because it's hard to get new people hooked. it's what's forcing the switch and the sponsors aren't really listening to the fans cause the fans think everything should be free
i dunno, sc2 is still more community based than bw ever was. i mean, community is willing to pay to support leagues which i think is great, because it just means as long as the money is there the scene will survive, although maybe it'll downsize a bit. i dunno how the leagues are doing exactly in financial situations but i figure people are paying for it and then trying to get sponsors to help mount the costs. it needs to be a community sponsored endeavor if it wants to survive past the current phases where most of the biggest leagues (probably) aren't profitable yet
Do you know why GSL is cheaper to sponsor? Looking up what OSL pays out every season vs GSL, GSL gives out a lot more prize money. ( to every player in code a/s ) Does OGN have larger production expenses or does the finals venue cost more to use?
On August 05 2012 23:32 Chargelot wrote: @Milkis My point was not that OSL/OGN relied upon the community. I don't disagree that the major KR events/organizations had huge sponsorships in BW. It was more about everything else. To call SC2 community driven in comparison to BW which to this day was still community driven outside of Korea (Sayle, anyone?) is pretty silly.
ehh i just didnt like the fact that you just listed a bunch of corporations without knowing how much they actually sponsored.
i mean listing some of the beverage companies that sponsor teams with free drinks is kind of like "uhhhhh"
Pepsi sponsored a whole season of GSL, and I think Coke did the same? If they did, that was really early on. Hot 6ix sponsored this past GSL. But yeah, some of those company's haven't provided much. But what they have provided can't be boiled down to community driving.
If anything, the SC2 community has/is done/doing far less for its game than the BW community did, and can take a lesson from the BW community and do more for it. If we had the community at our backs like BW did, there wouldn't even be questions about our validity because we'd be in such a stronger position. For now it feels like we only survive on the corporate dollars, not because we have community.
the stuff about beverages was just a passing comment~ i'm just noting that the sponsors are fairly small, even the ones that sponsored gsl (gsl is dirt cheap to sponsor compared to osl/msl and it shows)
the thing is bw died exactly because the community did not want to support it. it's because the big leagues were so dependent on sponsors that the sponsors had full control of the scene like in bw (hi kespa). there was never a community that supported bw in korea and if there's some now it's a bit "too little too late" because it's hard to get new people hooked. it's what's forcing the switch and the sponsors aren't really listening to the fans cause the fans think everything should be free
i dunno, sc2 is still more community based than bw ever was. i mean, community is willing to pay to support leagues which i think is great, because it just means as long as the money is there the scene will survive, although maybe it'll downsize a bit. i dunno how the leagues are doing exactly in financial situations but i figure people are paying for it and then trying to get sponsors to help mount the costs. it needs to be a community sponsored endeavor if it wants to survive past the current phases where most of the biggest leagues (probably) aren't profitable yet
Do you know why GSL is cheaper to sponsor? Looking up what OSL pays out every season vs GSL, GSL gives out a lot more prize money. ( to every player in code a/s ) Does OGN have larger production expenses or does the finals venue cost more to use?
On August 05 2012 23:32 Chargelot wrote: @Milkis My point was not that OSL/OGN relied upon the community. I don't disagree that the major KR events/organizations had huge sponsorships in BW. It was more about everything else. To call SC2 community driven in comparison to BW which to this day was still community driven outside of Korea (Sayle, anyone?) is pretty silly.
ehh i just didnt like the fact that you just listed a bunch of corporations without knowing how much they actually sponsored.
i mean listing some of the beverage companies that sponsor teams with free drinks is kind of like "uhhhhh"
Pepsi sponsored a whole season of GSL, and I think Coke did the same? If they did, that was really early on. Hot 6ix sponsored this past GSL. But yeah, some of those company's haven't provided much. But what they have provided can't be boiled down to community driving.
If anything, the SC2 community has/is done/doing far less for its game than the BW community did, and can take a lesson from the BW community and do more for it. If we had the community at our backs like BW did, there wouldn't even be questions about our validity because we'd be in such a stronger position. For now it feels like we only survive on the corporate dollars, not because we have community.
the stuff about beverages was just a passing comment~ i'm just noting that the sponsors are fairly small, even the ones that sponsored gsl (gsl is dirt cheap to sponsor compared to osl/msl and it shows)
the thing is bw died exactly because the community did not want to support it. it's because the big leagues were so dependent on sponsors that the sponsors had full control of the scene like in bw (hi kespa). there was never a community that supported bw in korea and if there's some now it's a bit "too little too late" because it's hard to get new people hooked. it's what's forcing the switch and the sponsors aren't really listening to the fans cause the fans think everything should be free
i dunno, sc2 is still more community based than bw ever was. i mean, community is willing to pay to support leagues which i think is great, because it just means as long as the money is there the scene will survive, although maybe it'll downsize a bit. i dunno how the leagues are doing exactly in financial situations but i figure people are paying for it and then trying to get sponsors to help mount the costs. it needs to be a community sponsored endeavor if it wants to survive past the current phases where most of the biggest leagues (probably) aren't profitable yet
Do you know why GSL is cheaper to sponsor? Looking up what OSL pays out every season vs GSL, GSL gives out a lot more prize money. ( to every player in code a/s ) Does OGN have larger production expenses or does the finals venue cost more to use?
OSL fills up a stadium.
That doesn't really answer my question at all, they don't charge for seats at the finals so how many people go does not matter at all, I was asking if renting that venue is more expensive than building a stage on the beach for example.
foreign viewers, especially Americans, are worth lots and lots of money. Because not only are they much more (great emphasis here)willing to pay for digital goods (in this case, sc2 contents), and they are willing to pay alot due to having a higher income and greater spending habit
the seasonal sc2 tickets for GSL are probably a huge portion of their revenue
On August 05 2012 23:32 Chargelot wrote: @Milkis My point was not that OSL/OGN relied upon the community. I don't disagree that the major KR events/organizations had huge sponsorships in BW. It was more about everything else. To call SC2 community driven in comparison to BW which to this day was still community driven outside of Korea (Sayle, anyone?) is pretty silly.
ehh i just didnt like the fact that you just listed a bunch of corporations without knowing how much they actually sponsored.
i mean listing some of the beverage companies that sponsor teams with free drinks is kind of like "uhhhhh"
Pepsi sponsored a whole season of GSL, and I think Coke did the same? If they did, that was really early on. Hot 6ix sponsored this past GSL. But yeah, some of those company's haven't provided much. But what they have provided can't be boiled down to community driving.
If anything, the SC2 community has/is done/doing far less for its game than the BW community did, and can take a lesson from the BW community and do more for it. If we had the community at our backs like BW did, there wouldn't even be questions about our validity because we'd be in such a stronger position. For now it feels like we only survive on the corporate dollars, not because we have community.
the stuff about beverages was just a passing comment~ i'm just noting that the sponsors are fairly small, even the ones that sponsored gsl (gsl is dirt cheap to sponsor compared to osl/msl and it shows)
the thing is bw died exactly because the community did not want to support it. it's because the big leagues were so dependent on sponsors that the sponsors had full control of the scene like in bw (hi kespa). there was never a community that supported bw in korea and if there's some now it's a bit "too little too late" because it's hard to get new people hooked. it's what's forcing the switch and the sponsors aren't really listening to the fans cause the fans think everything should be free
i dunno, sc2 is still more community based than bw ever was. i mean, community is willing to pay to support leagues which i think is great, because it just means as long as the money is there the scene will survive, although maybe it'll downsize a bit. i dunno how the leagues are doing exactly in financial situations but i figure people are paying for it and then trying to get sponsors to help mount the costs. it needs to be a community sponsored endeavor if it wants to survive past the current phases where most of the biggest leagues (probably) aren't profitable yet
Do you know why GSL is cheaper to sponsor? Looking up what OSL pays out every season vs GSL, GSL gives out a lot more prize money. ( to every player in code a/s ) Does OGN have larger production expenses or does the finals venue cost more to use?
OSL fills up a stadium.
That doesn't really answer my question at all, they don't charge for seats at the finals so how many people go does not matter at all, I was asking if renting that venue is more expensive than building a stage on the beach for example.
I'd say the venues are probably comparable, depending on the matchups. The difference is that bigger sponsors want to sponsor the OSL because it's literally the biggest event they could go to. It's kinda like buying primetime ad space, you know? And that means it's highly competitive. The OSL can accept or reject sponsors based on their bids, because it knows that it's a highly sought commodity. So in that sense, it costs a lot to sponsor because OSL has lots of options.
On August 05 2012 23:32 Chargelot wrote: @Milkis My point was not that OSL/OGN relied upon the community. I don't disagree that the major KR events/organizations had huge sponsorships in BW. It was more about everything else. To call SC2 community driven in comparison to BW which to this day was still community driven outside of Korea (Sayle, anyone?) is pretty silly.
ehh i just didnt like the fact that you just listed a bunch of corporations without knowing how much they actually sponsored.
i mean listing some of the beverage companies that sponsor teams with free drinks is kind of like "uhhhhh"
Pepsi sponsored a whole season of GSL, and I think Coke did the same? If they did, that was really early on. Hot 6ix sponsored this past GSL. But yeah, some of those company's haven't provided much. But what they have provided can't be boiled down to community driving.
If anything, the SC2 community has/is done/doing far less for its game than the BW community did, and can take a lesson from the BW community and do more for it. If we had the community at our backs like BW did, there wouldn't even be questions about our validity because we'd be in such a stronger position. For now it feels like we only survive on the corporate dollars, not because we have community.
the stuff about beverages was just a passing comment~ i'm just noting that the sponsors are fairly small, even the ones that sponsored gsl (gsl is dirt cheap to sponsor compared to osl/msl and it shows)
the thing is bw died exactly because the community did not want to support it. it's because the big leagues were so dependent on sponsors that the sponsors had full control of the scene like in bw (hi kespa). there was never a community that supported bw in korea and if there's some now it's a bit "too little too late" because it's hard to get new people hooked. it's what's forcing the switch and the sponsors aren't really listening to the fans cause the fans think everything should be free
i dunno, sc2 is still more community based than bw ever was. i mean, community is willing to pay to support leagues which i think is great, because it just means as long as the money is there the scene will survive, although maybe it'll downsize a bit. i dunno how the leagues are doing exactly in financial situations but i figure people are paying for it and then trying to get sponsors to help mount the costs. it needs to be a community sponsored endeavor if it wants to survive past the current phases where most of the biggest leagues (probably) aren't profitable yet
Do you know why GSL is cheaper to sponsor? Looking up what OSL pays out every season vs GSL, GSL gives out a lot more prize money. ( to every player in code a/s ) Does OGN have larger production expenses or does the finals venue cost more to use?
OSL fills up a stadium.
That doesn't really answer my question at all, they don't charge for seats at the finals so how many people go does not matter at all, I was asking if renting that venue is more expensive than building a stage on the beach for example.
I'd say the venues are probably comparable, depending on the matchups. The difference is that bigger sponsors want to sponsor the OSL because it's literally the biggest event they could go to. It's kinda like buying primetime ad space, you know? And that means it's highly competitive. The OSL can accept or reject sponsors based on their bids, because it knows that it's a highly sought commodity. So in that sense, it costs a lot to sponsor because OSL has lots of options.
I suppose that makes sense, you just wouldn't think about it in that sense because they have had trouble finding sponsors that aren't related to the kespa proteams at the end of BW. If what milkis says is correct they have had multiple companies talk to them about sponsoring an sc2 OSL then I guess it would be true now.
The question isn't so much "will SC2 become popular in Korea?," the question is how much more popular it will become. There absolutely will be an increase in both the # of SC2 users and the # of SC2 viewers in Korea, it's just how great the increase is and what rate it occurs at.
On August 06 2012 02:02 iky43210 wrote: foreign viewers, especially Americans, are worth lots and lots of money. Because not only are they much more (great emphasis here)willing to pay for digital goods (in this case, sc2 contents), and they are willing to pay alot due to having a higher income and greater spending habit
the seasonal sc2 tickets for GSL are probably a huge portion of their revenue
On August 05 2012 23:32 Chargelot wrote: @Milkis My point was not that OSL/OGN relied upon the community. I don't disagree that the major KR events/organizations had huge sponsorships in BW. It was more about everything else. To call SC2 community driven in comparison to BW which to this day was still community driven outside of Korea (Sayle, anyone?) is pretty silly.
ehh i just didnt like the fact that you just listed a bunch of corporations without knowing how much they actually sponsored.
i mean listing some of the beverage companies that sponsor teams with free drinks is kind of like "uhhhhh"
Pepsi sponsored a whole season of GSL, and I think Coke did the same? If they did, that was really early on. Hot 6ix sponsored this past GSL. But yeah, some of those company's haven't provided much. But what they have provided can't be boiled down to community driving.
If anything, the SC2 community has/is done/doing far less for its game than the BW community did, and can take a lesson from the BW community and do more for it. If we had the community at our backs like BW did, there wouldn't even be questions about our validity because we'd be in such a stronger position. For now it feels like we only survive on the corporate dollars, not because we have community.
The same community that has funds MKP to Orlando and pays for PPV events, happily spends $60 for a spectator pass at MLG, and regularly buys subscription deals through twitch/GOM?
I would wager the average viewer of SC2 injects more money back into the scene than the average fan of BW ever did.
On August 05 2012 23:32 Chargelot wrote: @Milkis My point was not that OSL/OGN relied upon the community. I don't disagree that the major KR events/organizations had huge sponsorships in BW. It was more about everything else. To call SC2 community driven in comparison to BW which to this day was still community driven outside of Korea (Sayle, anyone?) is pretty silly.
ehh i just didnt like the fact that you just listed a bunch of corporations without knowing how much they actually sponsored.
i mean listing some of the beverage companies that sponsor teams with free drinks is kind of like "uhhhhh"
Pepsi sponsored a whole season of GSL, and I think Coke did the same? If they did, that was really early on. Hot 6ix sponsored this past GSL. But yeah, some of those company's haven't provided much. But what they have provided can't be boiled down to community driving.
If anything, the SC2 community has/is done/doing far less for its game than the BW community did, and can take a lesson from the BW community and do more for it. If we had the community at our backs like BW did, there wouldn't even be questions about our validity because we'd be in such a stronger position. For now it feels like we only survive on the corporate dollars, not because we have community.
the stuff about beverages was just a passing comment~ i'm just noting that the sponsors are fairly small, even the ones that sponsored gsl (gsl is dirt cheap to sponsor compared to osl/msl and it shows)
the thing is bw died exactly because the community did not want to support it. it's because the big leagues were so dependent on sponsors that the sponsors had full control of the scene like in bw (hi kespa). there was never a community that supported bw in korea and if there's some now it's a bit "too little too late" because it's hard to get new people hooked. it's what's forcing the switch and the sponsors aren't really listening to the fans cause the fans think everything should be free
i dunno, sc2 is still more community based than bw ever was. i mean, community is willing to pay to support leagues which i think is great, because it just means as long as the money is there the scene will survive, although maybe it'll downsize a bit. i dunno how the leagues are doing exactly in financial situations but i figure people are paying for it and then trying to get sponsors to help mount the costs. it needs to be a community sponsored endeavor if it wants to survive past the current phases where most of the biggest leagues (probably) aren't profitable yet
Do you know why GSL is cheaper to sponsor? Looking up what OSL pays out every season vs GSL, GSL gives out a lot more prize money. ( to every player in code a/s ) Does OGN have larger production expenses or does the finals venue cost more to use?
1) From what I recall Blizzard sponsored a large chunk of the prize money the last two seasons. 2) The only thing Gom has over OGN in production is that they broadcast in a higher definition. Past that production quality of Gom is far inferior to OGN. 3) OGN is a cable tv channel. GOM broadcasts online. There are far less costs involved in the latter.
On August 05 2012 23:32 Chargelot wrote: @Milkis My point was not that OSL/OGN relied upon the community. I don't disagree that the major KR events/organizations had huge sponsorships in BW. It was more about everything else. To call SC2 community driven in comparison to BW which to this day was still community driven outside of Korea (Sayle, anyone?) is pretty silly.
ehh i just didnt like the fact that you just listed a bunch of corporations without knowing how much they actually sponsored.
i mean listing some of the beverage companies that sponsor teams with free drinks is kind of like "uhhhhh"
Pepsi sponsored a whole season of GSL, and I think Coke did the same? If they did, that was really early on. Hot 6ix sponsored this past GSL. But yeah, some of those company's haven't provided much. But what they have provided can't be boiled down to community driving.
If anything, the SC2 community has/is done/doing far less for its game than the BW community did, and can take a lesson from the BW community and do more for it. If we had the community at our backs like BW did, there wouldn't even be questions about our validity because we'd be in such a stronger position. For now it feels like we only survive on the corporate dollars, not because we have community.
the stuff about beverages was just a passing comment~ i'm just noting that the sponsors are fairly small, even the ones that sponsored gsl (gsl is dirt cheap to sponsor compared to osl/msl and it shows)
the thing is bw died exactly because the community did not want to support it. it's because the big leagues were so dependent on sponsors that the sponsors had full control of the scene like in bw (hi kespa). there was never a community that supported bw in korea and if there's some now it's a bit "too little too late" because it's hard to get new people hooked. it's what's forcing the switch and the sponsors aren't really listening to the fans cause the fans think everything should be free
i dunno, sc2 is still more community based than bw ever was. i mean, community is willing to pay to support leagues which i think is great, because it just means as long as the money is there the scene will survive, although maybe it'll downsize a bit. i dunno how the leagues are doing exactly in financial situations but i figure people are paying for it and then trying to get sponsors to help mount the costs. it needs to be a community sponsored endeavor if it wants to survive past the current phases where most of the biggest leagues (probably) aren't profitable yet
Do you know why GSL is cheaper to sponsor? Looking up what OSL pays out every season vs GSL, GSL gives out a lot more prize money. ( to every player in code a/s ) Does OGN have larger production expenses or does the finals venue cost more to use?
1) From what I recall Blizzard sponsored a large chunk of the prize money the last two seasons. 2) The only thing Gom has over OGN in production is that they broadcast in a higher definition. Past that production quality of Gom is far inferior to OGN. 3) OGN is a cable tv channel. GOM broadcasts online. There are far less costs involved in the latter.
Thanks for the response, that makes it a lot more clear.
On August 05 2012 23:32 Chargelot wrote: @Milkis My point was not that OSL/OGN relied upon the community. I don't disagree that the major KR events/organizations had huge sponsorships in BW. It was more about everything else. To call SC2 community driven in comparison to BW which to this day was still community driven outside of Korea (Sayle, anyone?) is pretty silly.
ehh i just didnt like the fact that you just listed a bunch of corporations without knowing how much they actually sponsored.
i mean listing some of the beverage companies that sponsor teams with free drinks is kind of like "uhhhhh"
Pepsi sponsored a whole season of GSL, and I think Coke did the same? If they did, that was really early on. Hot 6ix sponsored this past GSL. But yeah, some of those company's haven't provided much. But what they have provided can't be boiled down to community driving.
If anything, the SC2 community has/is done/doing far less for its game than the BW community did, and can take a lesson from the BW community and do more for it. If we had the community at our backs like BW did, there wouldn't even be questions about our validity because we'd be in such a stronger position. For now it feels like we only survive on the corporate dollars, not because we have community.
the stuff about beverages was just a passing comment~ i'm just noting that the sponsors are fairly small, even the ones that sponsored gsl (gsl is dirt cheap to sponsor compared to osl/msl and it shows)
the thing is bw died exactly because the community did not want to support it. it's because the big leagues were so dependent on sponsors that the sponsors had full control of the scene like in bw (hi kespa). there was never a community that supported bw in korea and if there's some now it's a bit "too little too late" because it's hard to get new people hooked. it's what's forcing the switch and the sponsors aren't really listening to the fans cause the fans think everything should be free
i dunno, sc2 is still more community based than bw ever was. i mean, community is willing to pay to support leagues which i think is great, because it just means as long as the money is there the scene will survive, although maybe it'll downsize a bit. i dunno how the leagues are doing exactly in financial situations but i figure people are paying for it and then trying to get sponsors to help mount the costs. it needs to be a community sponsored endeavor if it wants to survive past the current phases where most of the biggest leagues (probably) aren't profitable yet
Do you know why GSL is cheaper to sponsor? Looking up what OSL pays out every season vs GSL, GSL gives out a lot more prize money. ( to every player in code a/s ) Does OGN have larger production expenses or does the finals venue cost more to use?
OSL fills up a stadium.
Look at DRG v. Genius finals crowd and then Jangbi v. Fantasy finals crowd they were both held in similar looking stadiums. I dont think there was that much of a difference in crowd numbers tbh but im not good at guessing how many people are in a crowd so idk. BW really took a hit and was steadily declining in fan support after like 2007 or so. Also for like code S matches in the GSL studio, its basically full and in OSL SC2 their studio is basically empty (although I didnt see the Kespa players in the dual tournametn so it may have been bigger then)
On August 05 2012 23:32 Chargelot wrote: @Milkis My point was not that OSL/OGN relied upon the community. I don't disagree that the major KR events/organizations had huge sponsorships in BW. It was more about everything else. To call SC2 community driven in comparison to BW which to this day was still community driven outside of Korea (Sayle, anyone?) is pretty silly.
ehh i just didnt like the fact that you just listed a bunch of corporations without knowing how much they actually sponsored.
i mean listing some of the beverage companies that sponsor teams with free drinks is kind of like "uhhhhh"
Pepsi sponsored a whole season of GSL, and I think Coke did the same? If they did, that was really early on. Hot 6ix sponsored this past GSL. But yeah, some of those company's haven't provided much. But what they have provided can't be boiled down to community driving.
If anything, the SC2 community has/is done/doing far less for its game than the BW community did, and can take a lesson from the BW community and do more for it. If we had the community at our backs like BW did, there wouldn't even be questions about our validity because we'd be in such a stronger position. For now it feels like we only survive on the corporate dollars, not because we have community.
the stuff about beverages was just a passing comment~ i'm just noting that the sponsors are fairly small, even the ones that sponsored gsl (gsl is dirt cheap to sponsor compared to osl/msl and it shows)
the thing is bw died exactly because the community did not want to support it. it's because the big leagues were so dependent on sponsors that the sponsors had full control of the scene like in bw (hi kespa). there was never a community that supported bw in korea and if there's some now it's a bit "too little too late" because it's hard to get new people hooked. it's what's forcing the switch and the sponsors aren't really listening to the fans cause the fans think everything should be free
i dunno, sc2 is still more community based than bw ever was. i mean, community is willing to pay to support leagues which i think is great, because it just means as long as the money is there the scene will survive, although maybe it'll downsize a bit. i dunno how the leagues are doing exactly in financial situations but i figure people are paying for it and then trying to get sponsors to help mount the costs. it needs to be a community sponsored endeavor if it wants to survive past the current phases where most of the biggest leagues (probably) aren't profitable yet
Do you know why GSL is cheaper to sponsor? Looking up what OSL pays out every season vs GSL, GSL gives out a lot more prize money. ( to every player in code a/s ) Does OGN have larger production expenses or does the finals venue cost more to use?
1) From what I recall Blizzard sponsored a large chunk of the prize money the last two seasons. 2) The only thing Gom has over OGN in production is that they broadcast in a higher definition. Past that production quality of Gom is far inferior to OGN. 3) OGN is a cable tv channel. GOM broadcasts online. There are far less costs involved in the latter.
I think the biggest strength is Tastosis and even their Code A casters are awesome and Im going to assuming Mtrap is going to be the other caster for OGN so.......Also isnt Gom's HD like 480p lol
On August 06 2012 04:08 TommyP wrote: speak for yourself please. If nobody cares who wins DH or MLG, why do like 75k people watch? lol
75k people watch because those are big tournaments. That doesnt mean the titles count for much after the tournament ended. So both Naama and Hero won a DH Winter. Are they particularily famous because of that? Not really. Naama is famous because he pulls scvs and Hero because he is on Liquid and looks like Bisu. And Jinro won MLG 2010, yet he is known for is ro4 appearances in GSL.
GSL is definetely the one tournament people remember the winners of, they are the most prestigious event in sc2. Because I follow the scene so closely I can tell you ( for the most part ) who won various IEM's, DH's and MLG's in 2010 and 2011 but not very many people can.
I mean, Naniwa won an MLG but does anyone ever really think about that anymore? I don't see it brought up.
I don't even see Leenock's MLG Providence win brought up often and that was the biggest MLG event ever.
"And Jinro won MLG 2010, yet he is known for is ro4 appearances in GSL." Irrelevant in 2010 MLGs were all foreigners and Code S had Koreans in it which is why hes known for that. One of Hero's defining moments in his career was his DH winter win and that helped him solidify himself as a top toss and the emotion he showed after was one of the best sc2 moments. the other day at ROG they kept saying how Naama was the DH winter champion and how important that was for Finish pro gamers.
"Oh my god You guys won the Rose Bowl, but it doesnt matter because its not the National Championship." No thats fucking bullshit MLGs and DHs are important for SC2 and esports in general and they do matter and people do remember who won.
Edit: i can also name every single MLG winner in 2011 and 2012 of the top of my head so dont tell me people dont remember or dont talk about it. Also Naniwa's win was before Koreans came so... And as for Leenock whenever people talk about his achievements they will bring up winning MLG Providence over his GSL runner up.
Also if MLG doesnt matter im going to assuming you dont think ASUS ROG matters so given that those two dont matter then TaeJa is just some scrub right? Some may not remember who won which tournament, but it helps them gain a lot of fans and they can make them the best players in the world we can fall in love with and can help bring new rivalries and make old ones better. Without MLG the DRG/MKP rivalry isnt that great.
On August 06 2012 04:26 Dodgin wrote: GSL is definetely the one tournament people remember the winners of, they are the most prestigious event in sc2. Because I follow the scene so closely I can tell you ( for the most part ) who won various IEM's, DH's and MLG's in 2010 and 2011 but not very many people can.
I mean, Naniwa won an MLG but does anyone ever really think about that anymore? I don't see it brought up.
I don't even see Leenock's MLG Providence win brought up often and that was the biggest MLG event ever.
The Problem that I see with Code S is, that it happens to often. SC2 needs an event that when you win it makes you THE. FUCKING. MAN. And that's not really the case with Code S atm, because the next season is already on the way.
@TommyP: We appear to be arguing for completely different points, so let's just leave it at that.
On August 06 2012 04:29 TommyP wrote: "And Jinro won MLG 2010, yet he is known for is ro4 appearances in GSL." Irrelevant in 2010 MLGs were all foreigners and Code S had Koreans in it which is why hes known for that. One of Hero's defining moments in his career was his DH winter win and that helped him solidify himself as a top toss and the emotion he showed after was one of the best sc2 moments. the other day at ROG they kept saying how Naama was the DH winter champion and how important that was for Finish pro gamers.
"Oh my god You guys won the Rose Bowl, but it doesnt matter because its not the National Championship." No thats fucking bullshit MLGs and DHs are important for SC2 and esports in general and they do matter and people do remember who won.
Edit: i can also name every single MLG winner in 2011 and 2012 of the top of my head so dont tell me people dont remember or dont talk about it. Also Naniwa's win was before Koreans came so... And as for Leenock whenever people talk about his achievements they will bring up winning MLG Providence over his GSL runner up.
Also if MLG doesnt matter im going to assuming you dont think ASUS ROG matters so given that those two dont matter then TaeJa is just some scrub right?
In terms of prestige, non-korean tournaments don't really matter because they aren't as hard. In terms of e-sports value they matter the same. MLG and DH an most other tournaments matter as much as GSL in terms of e-sports value and since they are going to inevitably lack in the prestige department they make up for it in other ways. Sure winning multiple MLG's or DH's is amazing, but if someone wants to be known as the best they surely have to win a GSL (or soon, an OSL). It's like Lebron, everyone said he was probably the most gifted player in the NBA, but held it against him that he didn't have a ring. Now that he does, it's allot easier to make the case for him being the best (not of all time). Stephano will never be the best Zerg ever because he will never go to GSL (because he doesn't care about prestige, he wants money). Yet all his other tournament wins and his matches against GSL champions will bring him as close to the best (and clearly he is a special case because no one else is dominating koreans as much as he is and is not in GSL) as is possible without winning the GSL itself.
On August 06 2012 04:26 Dodgin wrote: GSL is definetely the one tournament people remember the winners of, they are the most prestigious event in sc2. Because I follow the scene so closely I can tell you ( for the most part ) who won various IEM's, DH's and MLG's in 2010 and 2011 but not very many people can.
I mean, Naniwa won an MLG but does anyone ever really think about that anymore? I don't see it brought up.
I don't even see Leenock's MLG Providence win brought up often and that was the biggest MLG event ever.
The Problem that I see with Code S is, that it happens to often. SC2 needs an event that when you win it makes you THE. FUCKING. MAN. And that's not really the case with Code S atm, because the next season is already on the way.
@TommyP: We appear to be arguing for completely different points, so let's just leave it at that.
Alright. But in regards to Code S, at least the seasons are pretty long, i mean theyve only had three all year and you still get to watch starcraft like every night with Code A and Code S. In my opinion im pretty pleased with that, but OSL is good because of the reasons you mentioned. Its going to be awesome to have both GSL and OSL together.
In terms of prestige, non-korean tournaments don't really matter because they aren't as hard. In terms of e-sports value they matter the same. MLG and DH an most other tournaments matter as much as GSL in terms of e-sports value and since they are going to inevitably lack in the prestige department they make up for it in other ways. Sure winning multiple MLG's or DH's is amazing, but if someone wants to be known as the best they surely have to win a GSL (or soon, an OSL). It's like Lebron, everyone said he was probably the most gifted player in the NBA, but held it against him that he didn't have a ring. Now that he does, it's allot easier to make the case for him being the best (not of all time). Stephano will never be the best Zerg ever because he will never go to GSL (because he doesn't care about prestige, he wants money). Yet all his other tournament wins and his matches against GSL champions will bring him as close to the best (and clearly he is a special case because no one else is dominating koreans as much as he is and is not in GSL) as is possible without winning the GSL itself.
You do make a lot of good points but I think non-korean tournaments(especially MLG)are just as hard if not harder, it tests your stamina and you dont get to prepare for you opponent for the most part and basically all of Code S and Code A goes lol. They both have different obstacles you have to over come and some players are better in certain formats.
On August 06 2012 04:26 Dodgin wrote: GSL is definetely the one tournament people remember the winners of, they are the most prestigious event in sc2. Because I follow the scene so closely I can tell you ( for the most part ) who won various IEM's, DH's and MLG's in 2010 and 2011 but not very many people can.
I mean, Naniwa won an MLG but does anyone ever really think about that anymore? I don't see it brought up.
I don't even see Leenock's MLG Providence win brought up often and that was the biggest MLG event ever.
The Problem that I see with Code S is, that it happens to often. SC2 needs an event that when you win it makes you THE. FUCKING. MAN. And that's not really the case with Code S atm, because the next season is already on the way.
@TommyP: We appear to be arguing for completely different points, so let's just leave it at that.
I don't see how OSL is going to give you that either, the next OSL is about to start and the previous one just finished.
They have been playing the Dual Tournament groups since about a month ago, before the BW osl was even done with the semifinals.
I think thats just because its a special circumstance with switching over to SC2 and ending BW. Arent there normally only like 2 OSLs a year (never played BW sorry and havent watched all that much)?
On August 06 2012 04:26 Dodgin wrote: GSL is definetely the one tournament people remember the winners of, they are the most prestigious event in sc2. Because I follow the scene so closely I can tell you ( for the most part ) who won various IEM's, DH's and MLG's in 2010 and 2011 but not very many people can.
I mean, Naniwa won an MLG but does anyone ever really think about that anymore? I don't see it brought up.
I don't even see Leenock's MLG Providence win brought up often and that was the biggest MLG event ever.
The Problem that I see with Code S is, that it happens to often. SC2 needs an event that when you win it makes you THE. FUCKING. MAN. And that's not really the case with Code S atm, because the next season is already on the way.
@TommyP: We appear to be arguing for completely different points, so let's just leave it at that.
Alright. But in regards to Code S, at least the seasons are pretty long, i mean theyve only had three all year and you still get to watch starcraft like every night with Code A and Code S. In my opinion im pretty pleased with that, but OSL is good because of the reasons you mentioned. Its going to be awesome to have both GSL and OSL together.
In terms of prestige, non-korean tournaments don't really matter because they aren't as hard. In terms of e-sports value they matter the same. MLG and DH an most other tournaments matter as much as GSL in terms of e-sports value and since they are going to inevitably lack in the prestige department they make up for it in other ways. Sure winning multiple MLG's or DH's is amazing, but if someone wants to be known as the best they surely have to win a GSL (or soon, an OSL). It's like Lebron, everyone said he was probably the most gifted player in the NBA, but held it against him that he didn't have a ring. Now that he does, it's allot easier to make the case for him being the best (not of all time). Stephano will never be the best Zerg ever because he will never go to GSL (because he doesn't care about prestige, he wants money). Yet all his other tournament wins and his matches against GSL champions will bring him as close to the best (and clearly he is a special case because no one else is dominating koreans as much as he is and is not in GSL) as is possible without winning the GSL itself.
You do make a lot of good points but I think non-korean tournaments(especially MLG)are just as hard if not harder, it tests your stamina and you dont get to prepare for you opponent for the most part and basically all of Code S and Code A goes lol. They both have different obstacles you have to over come and some players are better in certain formats.
MLG lineups have been extremely disappointing lately, you can't make the statement that they are equal to GSL at all. Hell Marineking and DRG the winners of 4 of the 6 MLG events so far this year aren't even going to the Summer Championship.
MMA is not going, Mvp is not going, Marineking is not going, MC is not going, DRG is not going. It's missing way too much star power.
Take a look at the pools, sure we have a few big names like Stephano, Hero, Taeja. But overall It's not a out of this world lineup.
It is going to be amazing to see Losira back at an MLG event though.
On August 06 2012 05:20 TommyP wrote: I think thats just because its a special circumstance with switching over to SC2 and ending BW. Arent there normally only like 2 OSLs a year (never played BW sorry and havent watched all that much)?
When OSL had no problems finding sponsors it was about 3 per year, they have been playing less over time only because they couldn't find enough sponsors to make it happen. I'm sure they want to run the Starleague as often as possible like the old days now with sc2.
On August 06 2012 04:26 Dodgin wrote: GSL is definetely the one tournament people remember the winners of, they are the most prestigious event in sc2. Because I follow the scene so closely I can tell you ( for the most part ) who won various IEM's, DH's and MLG's in 2010 and 2011 but not very many people can.
I mean, Naniwa won an MLG but does anyone ever really think about that anymore? I don't see it brought up.
I don't even see Leenock's MLG Providence win brought up often and that was the biggest MLG event ever.
The Problem that I see with Code S is, that it happens to often. SC2 needs an event that when you win it makes you THE. FUCKING. MAN. And that's not really the case with Code S atm, because the next season is already on the way.
@TommyP: We appear to be arguing for completely different points, so let's just leave it at that.
I don't see how OSL is going to give you that either, the next OSL is about to start and the previous one just finished.
They have been playing the Dual Tournament groups since about a month ago, before the BW osl was even done with the semifinals.
That has only happened for this season. A normal season of OSL lasts for around 3 months with a couple weeks off before the ro32 starts up again.
On August 06 2012 04:26 Dodgin wrote: GSL is definetely the one tournament people remember the winners of, they are the most prestigious event in sc2. Because I follow the scene so closely I can tell you ( for the most part ) who won various IEM's, DH's and MLG's in 2010 and 2011 but not very many people can.
I mean, Naniwa won an MLG but does anyone ever really think about that anymore? I don't see it brought up.
I don't even see Leenock's MLG Providence win brought up often and that was the biggest MLG event ever.
The Problem that I see with Code S is, that it happens to often. SC2 needs an event that when you win it makes you THE. FUCKING. MAN. And that's not really the case with Code S atm, because the next season is already on the way.
@TommyP: We appear to be arguing for completely different points, so let's just leave it at that.
I don't see how OSL is going to give you that either, the next OSL is about to start and the previous one just finished.
They have been playing the Dual Tournament groups since about a month ago, before the BW osl was even done with the semifinals.
That has only happened for this season. A normal season of OSL lasts for around 3 months with a couple weeks off before the ro32 starts up again.
That is basically the same as GSL except OSL lasts a few weeks longer overall, GSL seasons have been about 9-10 weeks per season then a 2 week break for this year.
MLG lineups have been extremely disappointing lately, you can't make the statement that they are equal to GSL at all. Hell Marineking and DRG the winners of 4 of the 6 MLG events so far this year aren't even going to the Summer Championship.
MMA is not going, Mvp is not going, Marineking is not going, MC is not going, DRG is not going. It's missing way too much star power.
Well we dont know if MKP DRG MC MMA MVP are going to get those seeds for MLG summer. Also the Arena didnt have those guys because there was GSL/GSTL/OSL so it was just bad timing. Normally all those guys (except MMA and MVP) would be at the tournament. Also at MLG you see a lot of different players you may have never seen or arent used to and there are a lot of code A players there that can take a game off of anyone as we know.
MLG lineups have been extremely disappointing lately, you can't make the statement that they are equal to GSL at all. Hell Marineking and DRG the winners of 4 of the 6 MLG events so far this year aren't even going to the Summer Championship.
MMA is not going, Mvp is not going, Marineking is not going, MC is not going, DRG is not going. It's missing way too much star power.
Well we dont know if MKP DRG MC MMA MVP are going to get those seeds for MLG summer. Also the Arena didnt have those guys because there was GSL/GSTL/OSL so it was just bad timing. Normally all those guys (except MMA and MVP) would be at the tournament.
It was indeed at bad timing, but the point is the players choose to play GSL/OSL/GSTL instead of going to MLG. what does that say about how prestigious it is and how important it is to those players?
It's pretty obvious what they care more about.
Even with seeds into pool play for the summer championship on the line they skipped the arena.
To me the foreign events to the top Korean players are just like a " is there a gap in my schedule where I can go and win some money? cool I'll go! " but if they have an important GSL/OSL/WCS match soon even if the matches don't conflict directly with the other tournament they will skip it and focus on practicing for what they consider to be more important.
Well it was just an Arena, not the championship and also those tournaments are in Korea and dont require long ass flights and jet lag and OSL is on TV in korea and GSTL isnt as prestigious as MLG, players often leave Korea and go to foreign tournaments when they have GSTL matches, it was just that it was the semi finals and finals.
The arena is actually equally or more important than the championship because you need to go to the arena if you want to be in pool play ( pretty much a must if you want to win the event, have never seen anyone not from pool play win MLG since Naniwa did it vs a bunch of foreigners 1.5 years ago )
Anyway I think we're basically agreeing with each other so I'll leave it at that.
On August 06 2012 04:26 Dodgin wrote: GSL is definetely the one tournament people remember the winners of, they are the most prestigious event in sc2. Because I follow the scene so closely I can tell you ( for the most part ) who won various IEM's, DH's and MLG's in 2010 and 2011 but not very many people can.
I mean, Naniwa won an MLG but does anyone ever really think about that anymore? I don't see it brought up.
I don't even see Leenock's MLG Providence win brought up often and that was the biggest MLG event ever.
The Problem that I see with Code S is, that it happens to often. SC2 needs an event that when you win it makes you THE. FUCKING. MAN. And that's not really the case with Code S atm, because the next season is already on the way.
@TommyP: We appear to be arguing for completely different points, so let's just leave it at that.
I don't see how OSL is going to give you that either, the next OSL is about to start and the previous one just finished.
They have been playing the Dual Tournament groups since about a month ago, before the BW osl was even done with the semifinals.
That has only happened for this season. A normal season of OSL lasts for around 3 months with a couple weeks off before the ro32 starts up again.
That is basically the same as GSL except OSL lasts a few weeks longer overall, GSL seasons have been about 9-10 weeks per season then a 2 week break for this year.
This season of Code S took ~70 days to finish while a normal OSL season takes about ~100-110. Certainly not "basically the same." In fact, there has only been three seasons of OSL since Flash's last win in the fall of 2010.
On August 06 2012 04:26 Dodgin wrote: GSL is definetely the one tournament people remember the winners of, they are the most prestigious event in sc2. Because I follow the scene so closely I can tell you ( for the most part ) who won various IEM's, DH's and MLG's in 2010 and 2011 but not very many people can.
I mean, Naniwa won an MLG but does anyone ever really think about that anymore? I don't see it brought up.
I don't even see Leenock's MLG Providence win brought up often and that was the biggest MLG event ever.
The Problem that I see with Code S is, that it happens to often. SC2 needs an event that when you win it makes you THE. FUCKING. MAN. And that's not really the case with Code S atm, because the next season is already on the way.
@TommyP: We appear to be arguing for completely different points, so let's just leave it at that.
I don't see how OSL is going to give you that either, the next OSL is about to start and the previous one just finished.
They have been playing the Dual Tournament groups since about a month ago, before the BW osl was even done with the semifinals.
That has only happened for this season. A normal season of OSL lasts for around 3 months with a couple weeks off before the ro32 starts up again.
That is basically the same as GSL except OSL lasts a few weeks longer overall, GSL seasons have been about 9-10 weeks per season then a 2 week break for this year.
This season of Code S took ~70 days to finish while a normal OSL season takes about ~100-110. Certainly not "basically the same." In fact, there has only been three seasons of OSL since Flash's last win in the fall of 2010.
I really really hope it will work for them and than Korean fans will keep following their favorite player. OSL transition was way better than SPL transition so I think it can work.
SPL transition wasn't "bad" but it was a little awkward...
I'm so confused...why are we complaining about getting a sponsor? Or are we complaining? Ugh these comments don't make sense to me...
Let's all just be happy that OGN got a sponsor that will let them continue to produce high quality Starcraft tournaments. If we can support the sponsor, great! If we can't, that sucks. But anything that helps esports grow is good in my book.
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