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Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 20:10:13
July 27 2012 20:10 GMT
#21
Game not out yet.

Complain about balance anyway.

Avilo.
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Berceno
Profile Joined May 2012
Spain401 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 20:10:53
July 27 2012 20:10 GMT
#22
avilo... this guy is stupid, go play fifa and stop complaining about balance

User was warned for this post
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avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 20:11:04
July 27 2012 20:10 GMT
#23
I'd request the mods when they read this to ban the idiots that are posting below TL standards with their "fuck off" or "QQ" or "whine" I'd urge people to actually read the thread. If thorzain, jinro, or anyone else notable posted this you would not write it off before reading it.

Do people want HOTS to be the best game possible? I certainly do, and yes, nothing is in stone, that does not mean it's not worth it to add in feedback/community feedback on things that will make the game better.
Sup
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
July 27 2012 20:10 GMT
#24
You know the entire game is changing right?
So why even complain about a unit changing without having played the game?

Anyone can easily make a thread about how Battle Hellions can shred tons and tons of Zealots or any one of a million things but that would just shit up the forums.
wwowz
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada156 Posts
July 27 2012 20:10 GMT
#25
the game isn't out yet. remember, phoenixes had overdrive and mothership was super op in the introduction videos. stop whining about the game that isn't out yet.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10383 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 20:13:22
July 27 2012 20:12 GMT
#26
Agreed avilo! When I saw them mention that I was like... really... it feels more like windwalk from WC3.

Anyways, you're right. While nuking lategame at this point of time might be too efficient when done well (you can even do a fake nuke into nowhere just to make your opponent panic, waste time looking at his bases/army, and possibly even pull off his workers which, if he does for a few seconds, will make up for the cost of the nuke), I don't think this is the right way to change it. If what they are actually trying to get at is to prevent mass nuking all over the map, they shouldn't change cloak, they should change the nuke directly (cooldown on that, not cloak). Though of course, terran lategame is already commonly known to be not as strong as the other races, so if they take away more terran lategame power by nerfing the ability to harass with ghosts/nukes, terran would need something else to compensate.

Also it simply does not feel like a starcraft kind of spell. We've all been used to the classic cloak for a long time now, and remember their philosophy? Keep things simple! But now they propose to make 2 different kinds of cloaks?
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RUFinalBoss
Profile Joined May 2012
United States266 Posts
July 27 2012 20:12 GMT
#27
guys the BM is completly uneccesary he brought up a good point

Avilo: in the 30 seconds of cloak does enerygy regan back to 200?
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MetalPanda
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1152 Posts
July 27 2012 20:12 GMT
#28
When a Terran is at the stage of nuke harrassment (which never happens nowaday), he's mostly at the stage of sacrifying all its SCVs for mule and build a giga air deathball anyway, and that's pretty much the most powerful thing in the game.
CikaZombi
Profile Joined August 2011
Serbia630 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 20:12:40
July 27 2012 20:12 GMT
#29
You know, as I opened this post I thought to myself, this could only be written by one man...

Sigh.
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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11607 Posts
July 27 2012 20:12 GMT
#30
Did this have to be framed as a balance concern?

It seems a very dumb design change, but framing it as a balance debate starts the argument at such an unhelpful note.
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bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
July 27 2012 20:12 GMT
#31
This sounds like something that won't make the final version of hots.

Blizzard plays around with all manner of dumb ideas during development.
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Wolvmatt.
Profile Joined April 2011
205 Posts
July 27 2012 20:13 GMT
#32
Avilo. Lol, even this game was out, you're opinion still wouldn't be valid.
avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
July 27 2012 20:13 GMT
#33
On July 28 2012 05:12 RUFinalBoss wrote:
guys the BM is completly uneccesary he brought up a good point

Avilo: in the 30 seconds of cloak does enerygy regan back to 200?


As I wrote in the OP, yes. Blizzard intends that after initially using 25 to cloak the ghost will begin to regain energy back up to 200.
Sup
pingy[wen]
Profile Joined June 2010
United States157 Posts
July 27 2012 20:13 GMT
#34
it doesn't matter if the game is in beta or not. if blizzard intends for this to happen, it's up to the community to try as hard as they can to break what blizzard is trying to do.

thanks avilo for potentially finding an unintended flaw.
shabby
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway6402 Posts
July 27 2012 20:14 GMT
#35
On July 28 2012 05:10 avilo wrote:
I'd request the mods when they read this to ban the idiots that are posting below TL standards with their "fuck off" or "QQ" or "whine" I'd urge people to actually read the thread. If thorzain, jinro, or anyone else notable posted this you would not write it off before reading it.

Do people want HOTS to be the best game possible? I certainly do, and yes, nothing is in stone, that does not mean it's not worth it to add in feedback/community feedback on things that will make the game better.


We would still write it off because it is pure speculation. I don't mind the change, I believe that David Kim knows a lot more about the game balance than I do, and I hope he manages to keep the game as well balanced as it is.
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avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
July 27 2012 20:15 GMT
#36
On July 28 2012 05:12 Falling wrote:
Did this have to be framed as a balance concern?

It seems a very dumb design change, but framing it as a balance debate starts the argument at such an unhelpful note.


It's a pretty big change that people are unaware of, it's a hybrid design concern/balance concern to be honest. I honestly don't think changing the thread title will help against the bandwagon posters that see it's I that posted these concerns. The people posting like that simply should not post at all tbh or actually post up to TL standards and read the thread before posting.
Sup
Thylacine
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden882 Posts
July 27 2012 20:16 GMT
#37
That's some retarded shit right there.
Thanks for putting some light on this Avilo.
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MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
July 27 2012 20:16 GMT
#38
I agree, but as people have said, the way this was titled is really just baiting bad responses. Thanks for bringing this up though, I would much rather not have this change.
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FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
July 27 2012 20:16 GMT
#39
On July 28 2012 05:12 Falling wrote:
Did this have to be framed as a balance concern?

It seems a very dumb design change, but framing it as a balance debate starts the argument at such an unhelpful note.


It's okay, all the races got buffs and nerfs.

Terran got buffed with the spider mine, zerg got nerfed since I believe the overseer is gone, etc. etc. -_-

Complaining about balance in a game that hasn't even been played is laughable.
avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 20:17:57
July 27 2012 20:17 GMT
#40
On July 28 2012 05:14 shabby wrote:
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On July 28 2012 05:10 avilo wrote:
I'd request the mods when they read this to ban the idiots that are posting below TL standards with their "fuck off" or "QQ" or "whine" I'd urge people to actually read the thread. If thorzain, jinro, or anyone else notable posted this you would not write it off before reading it.

Do people want HOTS to be the best game possible? I certainly do, and yes, nothing is in stone, that does not mean it's not worth it to add in feedback/community feedback on things that will make the game better.


We would still write it off because it is pure speculation. I don't mind the change, I believe that David Kim knows a lot more about the game balance than I do, and I hope he manages to keep the game as well balanced as it is.


If you read the OP, you'd see it's not just pure speculation. I have played the beta at anaheim briefly, and regardless of how close or far the HOTS beta custom map is to the beta, it does have the proposed change on the map which was tested in an actual game.

So no, do not write this off at all. It's a big concern. If a mod feels like people will post better by changing the title of the thread to "Terran ghost design change concern for HOTS" please do.
Sup
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