Ghost Design Change Concern for HOTS - Page 11

On July 28 2012 08:04 ROOTCatZ wrote:
Avilo nothing you say has any relevance in my eyes, every race is getting changes in HotS, the zerg units are likely the most useless and will have less impact, while the hydra and ultra buffs are nice, the other 2 aren't v good. ALL you ever do, since the beta is complain about stuff you don't even understand, its pathetic, when terran was broken you and lzgamer were the only 2 terrans to deny it. these days ALL you do is rage and qq about zerg and protoss. I don't know what race you played in the game you played before, but if i had to guess it was the worst race. Reality is avilo, you need to look into your flaws, your mechanics aren't actually terrible, you're just really bad and your decision making is not very good, watching your stream is painful on the brain and you need to realize that its you who sucks, not the game. the sooner, the better.

Note: I don't think of myself as levels above avilo or anything in that regard, even though i very rarely lose to him, and not cause zerg is op or blabla, i mean i rarely lose to him for the last 2 years. But the harsh reality here is every race has its strengths and weaknesses and if we're not looking into our own mistakes and blaming blizzard about everything, we're never gonna improve. Avilo, learn to type 'gg' after gettin pwnd and learn to acknowledge your mistakes instead of blaming 'browder' for your sucking.

The Ghost’s Cloak ability has also been modified -- it will no longer be a toggled effect. Instead, there will be a one-time energy cost to activate Cloak for a specific time duration. Energy regeneration will continue while cloaked, and Ghosts can re-cloak while nuking without interrupting

On July 28 2012 09:16 Battleaxe wrote:
Here's one more vote for this thread getting closed. For all you people declaring this shit is worth talking about and blizzard needs to know about it, go bring it up on the Bnet forums and see if blizzard doesn't just close it.

OT: They should just remove the ghost entirely if they're going to go through with this change I guess judging from all the whining, and I wouldn't complain one bit.

Seems like a niche play is being touted as standard in high level games and causing a huge change when in reality this will affect maybe 5% of real games if this makes it all the way through to release without being adjusted

On July 28 2012 09:51 U_G_L_Y wrote:
Are nukes currently overpowered?

If your answer is no, then why is this change being proposed?

If your answer is yes... well... I think we are probably past the point of effective communication...

On July 28 2012 09:59 ODKStevez wrote:
It's so hard to discuss all this because NOTHING is final and the beta has not even launched. Do you remember the Planet Cracker and Black Hole abilities on the beta mothership?

Stuff will change all the time and I trust that they will do a good job in balancing the game.

On July 28 2012 10:04 S1eth wrote:
IIRC, Browder said that this change was supposed to help Terrans manage the energy on their ghosts, i.e. not forgetting to turn off cloak and running out of energy.
This change is aimed at the lower level Terran players, but hurts those who already know how to properly manage their ghosts, meaning it hurts high-level Terrrans.
Did they change cloak on Banshee as well?

To all those saying "it's too early/this game isn't even in BETA/this is pure speculation, numbers can be changed/balance whiner QQ"/etc", shut up. Blizzard gave us the info and the numbers NOW and it is up to US to give them feedback NOW. We are the ones testing it. Numbers don't change unless we give them proper feedback. If you're just too lazy to test it yourself, don't bash the people who do and raise valid points.
Why the "feedback embargo"? Why do you want to wait until it's too late?

On July 28 2012 08:04 ROOTCatZ wrote:
Avilo nothing you say has any relevance in my eyes, every race is getting changes in HotS, the zerg units are likely the most useless and will have less impact, while the hydra and ultra buffs are nice, the other 2 aren't v good. ALL you ever do, since the beta is complain about stuff you don't even understand, its pathetic, when terran was broken you and lzgamer were the only 2 terrans to deny it. these days ALL you do is rage and qq about zerg and protoss. I don't know what race you played in the game you played before, but if i had to guess it was the worst race. Reality is avilo, you need to look into your flaws, your mechanics aren't actually terrible, you're just really bad and your decision making is not very good, watching your stream is painful on the brain and you need to realize that its you who sucks, not the game. the sooner, the better.

Note: I don't think of myself as levels above avilo or anything in that regard, even though i very rarely lose to him, and not cause zerg is op or blabla, i mean i rarely lose to him for the last 2 years. But the harsh reality here is every race has its strengths and weaknesses and if we're not looking into our own mistakes and blaming blizzard about everything, we're never gonna improve. Avilo, learn to type 'gg' after gettin pwnd and learn to acknowledge your mistakes instead of blaming 'browder' for your sucking.

On July 28 2012 08:18 ROOTCatZ wrote:


anyone who has watched your stream for over 10 minutes knows, you're qqing about a game that's not even out or remotely balanced, so why don't you instead give it some time, the way I see it there are no nerfs, it is a new game, heart of the swarm so get used to -CHANGES- it'll take a few months for it to get anywhere close to balanced. and reddit is awesome lmao!

ps: i wasn't watching your stream in the morning don't flatter yourself, I played the hots ums cause TT1 asked me to. Only time I open your stream is when I feel like watching someone cry or I feel like my day has been too good so far and I need a little bit of shit in it to balance shit out

On July 28 2012 10:05 Coolness53 wrote:


Can you provide me where they provided the exact numbers? Where is the confirmed data?

On July 28 2012 10:15 Areon wrote:
It's arguably balanced because Zerg and Protoss don't have nukes? Oh, and does OP understand the meaning of the word "cool down"? Once cloak has been used there's a cool down until it can be used again. Not that hard.

But really, this is a helpful change. Nuke harassment might account for 1% of Ghost usage compared to 99% of tactical EMP'ing/sniping. This is good.

On July 28 2012 10:20 S1eth wrote:


You'd have to ask the creator of the HotS custom MOD, but I assume all the data is from the playable demos of HotS from MLG.

See "Infographic" and "Discrepencies" in
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=280751