EPTBronze League Balance Band-aids do not bode well for the future of SC2.
Ghost Design Change Concern for HOTS - Page 9
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
Bronze League Balance Band-aids do not bode well for the future of SC2. | ||
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SomeONEx
Sweden641 Posts
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
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boomudead1
United States186 Posts
On July 28 2012 07:26 SniXSniPe wrote: I don't even make ghosts anymore except in TvP, even then I don't utilize the nuking aspect as much as I use too. same here i dont even make ghost in TvP. i try to outplay toss in the early and spread and drops like a madman, otherwise im done if it gets to the late game combo. | ||
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Hermasaurus
54 Posts
"Don't need anymore Terran nerfs." Let me ask you a question. Do you consider yourself a delegate for the Terran race? Do you think you're "objective analysis" or in other words YOUR opinions, outweigh that of Blizzard's or ACTUAL professional players. You say "Terran doesn't need another nerf" and it implies that you've already tested HotS, Terran is at a disadvantage, they've already been nerfed numerous times, and that "another" nerf would be overly disadvantageous and damaging to Terran and the game as a whole. You say "If thorzain, jinro or anyone else notable posted this you would not write it off before reading" which is probably true. But in no way should you be comparing yourself to either of them. It seems you complain at every balance change that isn't highly beneficial to Terran and lobby against nerfs to Terran or for buffs in favor You don't see these things from the players you mentioned. It's extremely hard to take someone serious who to me has shown nothing but a ridiculous sense of entitlement from the door. The game hasn't even completed Alpha yet and you're campaigning for balance changes. | ||
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GleaM
United States207 Posts
On July 28 2012 07:41 Ewic wrote: Holy shit guys... Blizzard proposes the Carrier is out of HotS -> there's a massive thread of discussion about this... Blizzard proposes the Ghost's cloak is changing in a big way -> 90% of the reponses are cheap shots at the poster and nobody gives a shit... Such a double-standard, it's not even funny. You guys should be ashamed. @Avilo - Thank you for bringing up this change to light. I had forgotten about this and now realize its implications if it indeed does go through. I want to add that it'll very strongly change Ghosts in big fights because if you accidently cloak your Ghosts, they're unusable to snipe HTs/Infestors. What I find extremely hypocritical about this change is that Dustin Browder in multiple interviews has stated that he doesn't want to make the game more complicated than it needs to be, and this change to the Ghost makes it more confusing to use to newcomers. People take cheap shots at avilo because he is a narcissistic kid that doesn't contribute positive things to the community. People are QQing about this for a completely different reason. People are sad that the carrier is going because its an iconic, fun unit that has been around forever, and many people have positive memories of characters from fun maps from when they were young (personally). The ghost "discussion" is talking about balance in a game that hasn't even reached the first beta stages. Completely different things. Don't be a clown. | ||
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CounterOrder
Canada457 Posts
We could all wait till beta, but whats the point in that. If you dont like the concept now why would that change on some arbitrary date. Its kinda up to us to give feedback to Blizzard on the direction the game is heading. The stage of development the game is in is irrelevant to feedback such as this. If Blizzard decided it was going to add special abilities to each race like a certain other RTS would guys act like this and say wait till beta? Probably not cause you dont need a beta to tell you that that would suck and wouldnt be fun. | ||
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CrtBalorda
Slovenia704 Posts
Does your late game rely on getting lucky nukes against every race? And ow look the only thing Avilo finds imbalanced in HOTS is the ghost. Must be true, only the ghost is imbalanced in HOTS! Cant help but think this thread is 100% just for trolling. | ||
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boomudead1
United States186 Posts
On July 28 2012 07:21 Dagan159 wrote: Avilo brought up the ghost change, and simultaneously undermined the entire conversation with his whiney undertones. "We all know how Terran has been doing lately. Terran does not need another nerf on top of every other nerf that the race has been hit with. Once again, I'll state that this all may be an oversight on Browder/Blizzard/Kim's part, and they may have not considered that their change to the ghost cloaking would be a huge nerf to Terran lategame." For a change that isnt even out, and when it does come out may be introduced to a entirely different enviorment (I can honeslty see widow mines drastically altering the meta game on their own), the whine is derailing this post from real discussion. Yes I got sucked into arguing that point, and thereby derailing the thread still further. Im sorry for that, but these whine threads and rants from avilo have been disgusting to me, and I hope he reads this and stops getting in the way of level headed people actually discussing the problems at hand. now we have a discussion xD. yeah i agree his tone might sound a bit negative and stuffs but hes right. this change to ghost cloaking does effects terran with the nuking in the late game. terran has been nerfed a bunch in the past i a terran is mad too. but its always good to have someone speaking for terran in which ever way idc. but i think its best to speak before the change is out otherwise they woudnt revert and just tell terrans to play better. like how its always been | ||
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ROOTCatZ
Peru1226 Posts
Note: I don't think of myself as levels above avilo or anything in that regard, even though i very rarely lose to him, and not cause zerg is op or blabla, i mean i rarely lose to him for the last 2 years. But the harsh reality here is every race has its strengths and weaknesses and if we're not looking into our own mistakes and blaming blizzard about everything, we're never gonna improve. Avilo, learn to type 'gg' after gettin pwnd and learn to acknowledge your mistakes instead of blaming 'browder' for your sucking. | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On July 28 2012 08:04 ROOTCatZ wrote: Avilo nothing you say has any relevance in my eyes, every race is getting changes in HotS, the zerg units are likely the most useless and will have less impact, while the hydra and ultra buffs are nice, the other 2 aren't v good. ALL you ever do, since the beta is complain about stuff you don't even understand, its pathetic, when terran was broken you and lzgamer were the only 2 terrans to deny it. these days ALL you do is rage and qq about zerg and protoss. I don't know what race you played in the game you played before, but if i had to guess it was the worst race. Reality is avilo, you need to look into your flaws, your mechanics aren't actually terrible, you're just really bad and your decision making is not very good, watching your stream is painful on the brain and you need to realize that its you who sucks, not the game. the sooner, the better. Note: I don't think of myself as levels above avilo or anything in that regard, even though i very rarely lose to him, and not cause zerg is op or blabla, i mean i rarely lose to him for the last 2 years. But the harsh reality here is every race has its strengths and weaknesses and if we're not looking into our own mistakes and blaming blizzard about everything, we're never gonna improve. Avilo, learn to type 'gg' after gettin pwnd and learn to acknowledge your mistakes instead of blaming 'browder' for your sucking. What the fuck? I expect better from you catz. Did you just come here to brag or something? This thread has nothing to do with "QQing," let alone you or me personally, why you would come here and bash me is beyond me. This thread has to do with a terrible design change. If they changed the infestor to be similar with a cool down on burrow...it would be just as bad of a design decision, and an unnecessary change. Or did you just post in this thread to try to discredit me/give credibility to the 1 liners in this thread? Very low. You literally said nothing about the topic at hand anywhere in your post lmao. Take your mindless bashing to reddit where it belongs, stop trying to derail this  this thread is not about me, it's about what blizzard has said they are considering doing to the ghost.+ Show Spoiler + p.s. I thought it was cute yesterday that after my 3 hr stream session of the HOTS beta in the morning you had obviously been watching my stream and then got the idea to stream HOTS beta custom games from my stream I was flattered. | ||
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ROOTCatZ
Peru1226 Posts
On July 28 2012 08:15 avilo wrote: What the fuck? I expect better from you catz. Did you just come here to brag or something? This thread has nothing to do with "QQing," let alone you or me personally, why you would come here and bash me is beyond me. This thread has to do with a terrible design change. If they changed the infestor to be similar with a cool down on burrow...it would be just as bad of a design decision, and an unnecessary change. Or did you just post in this thread to try to discredit me/give credibility to the 1 liners in this thread? Very low. You literally said nothing about the topic at hand anywhere in your post lmao. Take your mindless bashing to reddit where it belongs. anyone who has watched your stream for over 10 minutes knows, you're qqing about a game that's not even out or remotely balanced, so why don't you instead give it some time, the way I see it there are no nerfs, it is a new game, heart of the swarm so get used to -CHANGES- it'll take a few months for it to get anywhere close to balanced. and reddit is awesome lmao! ps: i wasn't watching your stream in the morning don't flatter yourself, I played the hots ums cause TT1 asked me to. Only time I open your stream is when I feel like watching someone cry or I feel like my day has been too good so far and I need a little bit of shit in it to balance shit out | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On July 28 2012 08:04 ROOTCatZ wrote: Avilo nothing you say has any relevance in my eyes, every race is getting changes in HotS, the zerg units are likely the most useless and will have less impact, while the hydra and ultra buffs are nice, the other 2 aren't v good. ALL you ever do, since the beta is complain about stuff you don't even understand, its pathetic, when terran was broken you and lzgamer were the only 2 terrans to deny it. these days ALL you do is rage and qq about zerg and protoss. I don't know what race you played in the game you played before, but if i had to guess it was the worst race. Reality is avilo, you need to look into your flaws, your mechanics aren't actually terrible, you're just really bad and your decision making is not very good, watching your stream is painful on the brain and you need to realize that its you who sucks, not the game. the sooner, the better. Note: I don't think of myself as levels above avilo or anything in that regard, even though i very rarely lose to him, and not cause zerg is op or blabla, i mean i rarely lose to him for the last 2 years. But the harsh reality here is every race has its strengths and weaknesses and if we're not looking into our own mistakes and blaming blizzard about everything, we're never gonna improve. Avilo, learn to type 'gg' after gettin pwnd and learn to acknowledge your mistakes instead of blaming 'browder' for your sucking. LOL? I agree with all of your critiques about Avilo, but Zerg gets the worst from HotS? Are you kidding me? Maybe the Swarm Host, but the Viper is amazing. | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On July 28 2012 08:18 ROOTCatZ wrote: anyone who has watched your stream for over 10 minutes knows, you're qqing about a game that's not even out or remotely balanced, so why don't you instead give it some time, the way I see it there are no nerfs, it is a new game, heart of the swarm so get used to -CHANGES- it'll take a few months for it to get anywhere close to balanced. and reddit is awesome lmao! Try commenting on the actual thread content here in the OP, instead of on me personally or starting up the bandwagon against me. Thanks. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On July 28 2012 08:18 pdd wrote: I don't get why there can't be discussion about the proposed change. I mean sure the game's not out and the thread's a bit whiny, but at least talking about it will give Blizzard some feedback regarding it. It worked for the Shredder and the Replicant. its not productive to discuss unit stats that havent been tested (i.e., because HOTS beta hasn't been released) and havent even been decided. everyone is just making statements based on uninformed opinions. this thread is getting interesting though with catz involving himself though. | ||
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SolidMoose
United States1240 Posts
Yes this is a problem, it makes ghosts even worse (which I didn't think was possible). Yes we need to say something about it because that's how blizzard gets feedback. But they're probably not going to change anything until beta is out. | ||
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dicex
127 Posts
Even though Avilo has shown in the recent State of the Game episode that he is unable to have an objective discussion on balance issues, this pointless thread lives on. Because he is some sort of semi-pro I guess?! | ||
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GleaM
United States207 Posts
On July 28 2012 08:20 avilo wrote: Try commenting on the actual thread content here in the OP, instead of on me personally or starting up the bandwagon against me. Thanks. I think that the idea might be that your OP is QQ... I think someone might be missing this! O_O | ||
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GleaM
United States207 Posts
On July 28 2012 08:23 SolidMoose wrote: It's amazing how many people can ignore the issue at hand just because of who posted this. Yes this is a problem, it makes ghosts even worse (which I didn't think was possible). Yes we need to say something about it because that's how blizzard gets feedback. But they're probably not going to change anything until beta is out. (which I didn't think was possible) I am going to rename myself the QQ police! | ||
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