Force the cross spawn on antiga and I can live with it. I like Tal Darim except for the PvP problem. And Shakuras I think is a good map, but its just been around too long, im sick of it.

NovemberstOrm

Canada16217 Posts

July 19 2012 13:28 GMT

#122

Metropolis back in the pool would be nice as a replacement if all the fps/lag issues are fixed.

xi Tempest x

Scotland340 Posts

July 19 2012 13:29 GMT

#123

I also think Taldarim needs a facelift, remove the third rocks and add rocks inbetween the natural and third, also make a ramp into the main to prevent a problem in pvp

Imzoo

132 Posts

July 19 2012 13:32 GMT

#124

On July 19 2012 21:09 phodacbiet wrote:

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Once upon a time 2 base mutas was good vs toss... I can muta on any map i want now, the difference is, with other maps i can take a third ^^. The thing about antiga is also very wrong. Terran with tanks seiged up in the middle of the map can control the middle and do harasses with drop ships while slowly encroaching the zerg. Do you even know what you are talking about lol.

I definitly know what i'm talking about.
Terran have lot's of trouble to B4 on this map and all person normally constituted will agree.

GumBa

United Kingdom31935 Posts

July 19 2012 13:45 GMT

#125

Why hasnt Metro been put back into the pool didnt blizz say it would be back this season?

Oh and TDA and Shakuras out they are too old force cross antiga and no more gold.

Wrathsc2

United States2025 Posts

July 19 2012 13:53 GMT

#126

Yup just shit on terran win rates some more lol. Antiga and shakuras do have problems but all the other maps are so big it just gets harder and harder to hit that timing with the wall distance toss and zerg dont have

Vralaren

Sweden130 Posts

July 19 2012 13:56 GMT

#127

Alot of toss players voting on entombed....

Aunvilgod

2653 Posts

July 19 2012 14:30 GMT

#128

Antiga and Daybreak are SOOO old. I can´t believe people still want to play on them.

Cloud Kingdom and Ohana should stay, the rest should of course go.

Shiori

3815 Posts

July 19 2012 14:30 GMT

#129

On July 19 2012 22:53 Wrathsc2 wrote:
Yup just shit on terran win rates some more lol. Antiga and shakuras do have problems but all the other maps are so big it just gets harder and harder to hit that timing with the wall distance toss and zerg dont have

Terran winrates have very little to do with the map pool, at the moment. Besides, Shakuras is awful even in TvT. Antiga is awful because the spawn locations are unfair and because taking a 4th is extremely difficult if not impossible. At the very least, make Antiga cross only.

althaz

Australia1001 Posts

July 19 2012 14:44 GMT

#130

On July 19 2012 14:55 Enzymatic wrote:

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Are you a Zerg player, by chance?

I'm random and I hate that map no matter who I spawn as. PvP is bullshit, PvT is balanced but I almost always lose if I don't go colossus before storm (which I hate doing), PvZ it feels too big for macro play and it's hard to scout as Zerg's normal 3rd is blocked by rocks. TvP it takes too long to get to his base and the middle is too open for me to do well with tanks. TvZ it takes soooooo long to get to his base, hate this matchup the most. TvT is actually ok. ZvZ is actually ok too, almost always get away with hatch first and being greedy. ZvP my third is fucking blocked, 'tis bullshit. ZvT that ledge is irritating as hell and my third is blocked with fucking rocks! If the main choke was a ramp, third wasn't blocked and the middle was less open, the map might be ok. It'd be tough as Terran, but doable.

Daybreak and Cloud Kingdom are fantastic maps, Ohana is excellent as well (maybe zerg favoured?), Entombed is okish, Antiga would be ok if it was cross-only, PvT hard as hell though. Shakuras I don't mind, except for PvZ and ZvT.

OxyGenesis

United Kingdom281 Posts

July 19 2012 15:29 GMT

#131

TDA and Shakuras are actually good maps imo but they have been played to death and definitely need to be cut. Same with Antiga although that has some more obvious design flaws. I can't comment on the new ladder map as I haven't played it much. Daybreak is getting old but good for another season or 2, same with entombed. Ohana seems well balanced but is very standard, it can stay as long as all maps aren't like it. Cloud Kingdom is the best map so far in SC2 in my opinion.

I think every season half the maps should be chucked and replaced by either blizzard maps (although they tend to have more misses than hits) or by some of the many many great maps that are produced by the community. Loads of them never get the attention they deserve because there is rarely high level play on them. Go to the maps forum to see for yourself.

Chr15t

Denmark1103 Posts

July 19 2012 15:32 GMT

#132

Taldarim , my veto since season 4 - oh the memories( that i dont have

)

Mrvoodoochild1

United States1439 Posts

July 19 2012 15:35 GMT

#133

I hope blizzard implements neutral supply depots at ramps when they update the maps. So sick of cannon block bullshit by bad players.

Northern_iight

Canada363 Posts

July 19 2012 15:41 GMT

#134

On July 20 2012 00:32 Chr15t wrote:
Taldarim , my veto since season 4 - oh the memories( that i dont have

)

same here. Tal darim... never played there in a long time.

Antiga is a pretty good map, but i think it's old for the current style of games. More players are favouring macro style play byond 3 base and antiga sort of restricts that. Although I had many fun games on it, without forced cross spawns, it's a tough map to play on.

I don't know why people don't like condemned ridge. It encourages hidden expos which I think is a lost art in the game.

Rantech

Chile527 Posts

July 19 2012 15:46 GMT

#135

Wow, nice to see this poll in here. Those 3 maps definitely need to go. I hope blizzard listens.

FeyFey

Germany10114 Posts

July 19 2012 15:48 GMT

#136

i like entombed, but only in a veto map pool, because not every matchup works on it. But no real need for discussion, the ladder pool will obviously change slowly currently, reason should be clear.
Taldarim and shakuras will probably stay in as well, as the popular noob maps.

Gosi

Sweden9072 Posts

July 19 2012 15:50 GMT

#137

Anyone else missing how they used different map pools every season in like Proleague? It was refreshing and it was a really good system I think. I hope a team like ESV partner up with OGN unless their own map team put up quality maps and then they use the same system in the coming sc2 Proleagues.

Because is it one thing I really hate about the current state of sc2 it have to be the map situation. It's just way to many maps that are staying in relevant map pools waaaaaay to long because there is o many different tournaments and leagues going on all the time.

Sure, on ladder in BW there are maps that have been played for fucking forever but now when Blizzard has full control over the ladder you would think they could like have season rotation on specific map pools or something to mix it up. Not have fucking Tal Darim July 2012.

ZAiNs

United Kingdom6525 Posts

July 19 2012 15:50 GMT

#138

- Tal'darim
- Antiga Shipyard
- Shakuras Plateau

+ Metropolis
+ Korhal Compound TE
+ _____ Plateua; similar to Shakuras but with multiple attack paths and without boring map-split-in-half layout.

Also disable horizontal positions on Entombed Valley.

Shiori

3815 Posts

July 19 2012 15:53 GMT

#139

On July 20 2012 00:50 ZAiNs wrote:
- Tal'darim
- Antiga Shipyard
- Shakuras Plateau

+ Metropolis
+ Korhal Compound TE
+ _____ Plateua; similar to Shakuras but with multiple attack paths and without boring map-split-in-half layout.

Also disable horizontal positions on Entombed Valley.

Please don't bring back Korhal. Please.

LeGendzErg

United States37 Posts

July 19 2012 15:55 GMT

#140