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On July 17 2012 03:07 PatouPower wrote:
I read many posts in this thread, and a lot of them talk about how some pros aren't paid very much, so they need to resort to this... That's simply not a good reason. If I'd be paid 10$/hour, I'd consider myself pretty poor, but I would not go around and shoplift because I need more money. I would not steal a bank either. If some progamers aren't paid enough, then maybe they are not good enough yet or haven't proven themselves yet.
If they are not happy with this situation, nothing forces them to stay progamers forever, they can just quit and find a stable job. But if you go against the EULA just to make a bit more money, you deserve to be banned like anyone who goes against the EULA and the tournament organizers/teams can decide if they want to keep you or not. Progaming isn't an easy job, and it's not a job where you have guaranteed money; people need to stop acting like everyone should be able to live well from this.
You shouldn't be allowed to do this just because you're pro and want money. You should be allowed to do this regardless of your profession if you're able to provide the service to a player willing to pay. Tons of people go against the EULA. None of them get banned for it. I don't know anyone who has ever gotten banned for sharing accounts, which is the particular rule this breaks.
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On July 17 2012 02:59 Snijjer wrote:
Either you take the ladder seriously or you don't.
But you should acknowledge that some people do take ladder seriously and account leveling is cheating the system therefore they are upset.
If Blizzard wants the ladder to be taken seriously it should deal with this problem or else there will be fewer and fewer ladder players.
It is cheating for no benefit. It's like cheating in a competition with no prize, and no one watching. It's like stealing a rock off of the ground in a courtyard. It's stealing something worthless.
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On July 17 2012 03:11 rd wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 03:07 PatouPower wrote:
I read many posts in this thread, and a lot of them talk about how some pros aren't paid very much, so they need to resort to this... That's simply not a good reason. If I'd be paid 10$/hour, I'd consider myself pretty poor, but I would not go around and shoplift because I need more money. I would not steal a bank either. If some progamers aren't paid enough, then maybe they are not good enough yet or haven't proven themselves yet.
If they are not happy with this situation, nothing forces them to stay progamers forever, they can just quit and find a stable job. But if you go against the EULA just to make a bit more money, you deserve to be banned like anyone who goes against the EULA and the tournament organizers/teams can decide if they want to keep you or not. Progaming isn't an easy job, and it's not a job where you have guaranteed money; people need to stop acting like everyone should be able to live well from this. You shouldn't be allowed to do this just because you're pro and want money. You should be allowed to do this regardless of your profession if you're able to provide the service to a player willing to pay. Tons of people go against the EULA. None of them get banned for it. I don't know anyone who has ever gotten banned for sharing accounts, which is the particular rule this breaks.
I have told people to try and report me for sharing my account with a friend. They did so, several times. With WoW and sc2. I've never even so much as gotten a warning email that I am doing it. You know why? It doesnt matter if I am admitting it, there is still the potential for me to be lying about it. Blizzard has 0 ways, none at all, to have solid *proof* that I am "illegally" sharing my account with someone.
Therefore, account leveling will not stop as long as there is even the slightest demand for it. As long as there is 1 person in the entire world that is willing to pay, people will advertise their shit.
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On July 16 2012 23:59 ragz_gt wrote:You know... ST_Rainbow have the ads for powerleveling on his Stream for forever... ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/qMCr8.jpg)
This is how much pros think it's bad. And how much others think it's bad since it's there for FOREVER and no one gives a damn.
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who cares? that puts $ straight into the pocket of pro-gamers and it increases the value of the overall game for that individual.
As long as someone is infact playing on the new account ( and not cheating ) I see no problem.
The game is *cough* dying *cough* and its not because of stuff like this.
Sc2 UI in general is just very underwhelming. Add in massive bnet 2.0 problems, and new games coming out its only expected.
No cheats?No care
I have played so many people that are smurfing... Stuck in high masters for seasons because of smurfs lol
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The only meaningful ladder abuse is hacking and throwing games to abuse newbies. Getting abused UPWARDS doesnt matter, as when Naama is on the account the accounts mmr will jump up accurately showing his skill; its not as if naama is spending his time raping bad players and hurting the authenticity of the ladder. When the deal is over the account will either bomb quickly to its proper place or not be used. At most we have a "wasted" GM slot, which also does not matter. Leagues are just an offhand way to tell your MMR, they dont genuinely matter. If OP cares so much about GM he should be off practicing to get it, so that he can have his epenis grow as this [supposed] cheat IMMVP is doing.
On a side note, someone accused IMMVP of being a hacker like two weeks ago in the hack thread, and his rationalization was the difference in skill between team games and non team games, its possible that the OP is the same guy and just inexplicably hates this IMMVP guy for whatever reason.
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On July 17 2012 03:15 ishyishy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 03:11 rd wrote:On July 17 2012 03:07 PatouPower wrote:
I read many posts in this thread, and a lot of them talk about how some pros aren't paid very much, so they need to resort to this... That's simply not a good reason. If I'd be paid 10$/hour, I'd consider myself pretty poor, but I would not go around and shoplift because I need more money. I would not steal a bank either. If some progamers aren't paid enough, then maybe they are not good enough yet or haven't proven themselves yet.
If they are not happy with this situation, nothing forces them to stay progamers forever, they can just quit and find a stable job. But if you go against the EULA just to make a bit more money, you deserve to be banned like anyone who goes against the EULA and the tournament organizers/teams can decide if they want to keep you or not. Progaming isn't an easy job, and it's not a job where you have guaranteed money; people need to stop acting like everyone should be able to live well from this. You shouldn't be allowed to do this just because you're pro and want money. You should be allowed to do this regardless of your profession if you're able to provide the service to a player willing to pay. Tons of people go against the EULA. None of them get banned for it. I don't know anyone who has ever gotten banned for sharing accounts, which is the particular rule this breaks. I have told people to try and report me for sharing my account with a friend. They did so, several times. With WoW and sc2. I've never even so much as gotten a warning email that I am doing it. You know why? It doesnt matter if I am admitting it, there is still the potential for me to be lying about it. Blizzard has 0 ways, none at all, to have solid *proof* that I am "illegally" sharing my account with someone. Therefore, account leveling will not stop as long as there is even the slightest demand for it. As long as there is 1 person in the entire world that is willing to pay, people will advertise their shit.
Well, they can just check your account and see that multiple IP's logged into it. Despite that they still won't ban it though, or are extremely unlikely. I've only heard stories of accounts being banned in WoW for sharing, but yeah, never actually seen it happen. It's just an unrealistic rule to enforce.
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I doubt this is really hurting anyone lol
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On July 17 2012 03:20 rd wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 03:15 ishyishy wrote:On July 17 2012 03:11 rd wrote:On July 17 2012 03:07 PatouPower wrote:
I read many posts in this thread, and a lot of them talk about how some pros aren't paid very much, so they need to resort to this... That's simply not a good reason. If I'd be paid 10$/hour, I'd consider myself pretty poor, but I would not go around and shoplift because I need more money. I would not steal a bank either. If some progamers aren't paid enough, then maybe they are not good enough yet or haven't proven themselves yet.
If they are not happy with this situation, nothing forces them to stay progamers forever, they can just quit and find a stable job. But if you go against the EULA just to make a bit more money, you deserve to be banned like anyone who goes against the EULA and the tournament organizers/teams can decide if they want to keep you or not. Progaming isn't an easy job, and it's not a job where you have guaranteed money; people need to stop acting like everyone should be able to live well from this. You shouldn't be allowed to do this just because you're pro and want money. You should be allowed to do this regardless of your profession if you're able to provide the service to a player willing to pay. Tons of people go against the EULA. None of them get banned for it. I don't know anyone who has ever gotten banned for sharing accounts, which is the particular rule this breaks. I have told people to try and report me for sharing my account with a friend. They did so, several times. With WoW and sc2. I've never even so much as gotten a warning email that I am doing it. You know why? It doesnt matter if I am admitting it, there is still the potential for me to be lying about it. Blizzard has 0 ways, none at all, to have solid *proof* that I am "illegally" sharing my account with someone. Therefore, account leveling will not stop as long as there is even the slightest demand for it. As long as there is 1 person in the entire world that is willing to pay, people will advertise their shit. Well, they can just check your account and see that multiple IP's logged into it. Despite that they still won't ban it though, or are extremely unlikely. I've only heard stories of accounts being banned in WoW for sharing, but yeah, never actually seen it happen. It's just an unrealistic rule to enforce.
Playing on multiple IP's doesnt matter. Why? (if there is a way, I dont know it) Accounts can only be logged into by 1 source at a time. 5 people cant play on my account at once. Only 1 person gets to play the game at once.
Also, I bring my authenticator everywhere. I have it on my car keys ring. I can play blizzard games on any PC that they are installed on. How does that prove that I am account sharing? I dont play there anymore, but I used to play at a pc cafe with a few people. If blizzard banned for multiple IP's accessing the same account, half the accounts worldwide would be banned lol.
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So funny the ppl on TL. Reminds me why hypocrites are abundant.
OMG.. they steals me ladder points. Why can they use maphack and production hack?
QQQ... Ladder is so important. If not for cheaters and hackers, I will not be stuck in gold league and now diamond.. QQQQ
OMG... thread about pros leveling accounts? Fuck that,, since I like the pros.. you know like dragon, naama etc. They can do no wrong as they are up in my holy pedestal. How is it wrong to abuse ladder? Ladder is not important. Who cares about ladder? Idiot threads.. GM is joke anyways. QQQQQ
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On July 16 2012 16:29 Doodsmack wrote:
- It's against the EULA.
No.
The closest you can get is 2. C. + Show Spoiler +Exploit the Game or any of its parts for any commercial purpose without Blizzard’s express permission, with the sole exception that you may use the Game, or copies of the Game, on the Service at a cyber cafe, computer gaming center or any other location based site
And that's ridiculous if you were to argue that. That means every single stream, whether it be major tournaments or hell, you can even argue team liquid as a site, would be in the wrong if you were to argue selling account leveling is against the EULA.
And to be honest - your overall tone in your post... it basically sounds like you are jelly you aren't making that money. Seriously.
On July 16 2012 16:29 Doodsmack wrote:It IS hurting other people. The semi-pros in high master who are struggling to break into GM, because GM does in fact provide recognition to players. Ideally GM should be the top 200 ladder players, and not littered with leveled accounts. Aspiring semi-pros are being cheated out of potential opportunities by the people selling these leveling services. Moreover, these leveled accounts basically go inactive save for some occasional playing by the leveler to keep the account from falling out of GM.
1. The amount of 'leveled accounts' in GM is undetermined. It's all heresay. How you can think GM is littered is beyond me. Out of the 200, I can't see anyone arguing it would be more than 5%. Wouldn't that make GM even more prestigious, or in your logic, you would get more 'recognition'.
2. Lol @ hurting people. Semi-pros aren't being held back because of the incredibly small amount of 'fake' accounts.
3. Recognition? The only recognition would be from low-level players like you and I. Teams don't accept you based on your ladder status. Pros do not say "oh, he is GM, he must be good." LMAO. Oh boy...
On July 16 2012 16:29 Doodsmack wrote:people most likely to buy leveling services are associated with hacking and botting communities. Indeed, many of the ads I mentioned are on hacking sites. These people are already willing to hack and buy new accounts to hack with, so it makes sense that they would pay for leveling. I believe the IMMvp account owner hacks in team games and plays with other hackers. Replay evidence here:
Ok, now my guts hurt. I'm in hysterics over this one. Are you serious?? Let me explain to you target advertisement. You advertise on websites that know people are spending money, not because "oh, they are hackers, so this is a good place to sell leveling." What kind of logic is : They already spent $60 on a game so they can hack, so OBVIOUSLY they will shell out even more money for something completely irrelevant to hacking. WAT.!!1
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It should be considered ban worthy i think.. many newcomer players show themselves in tourneys or entering GM. That will reduce their chances of being noticed.
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On July 17 2012 03:36 lazyitachi wrote:
So funny the ppl on TL. Reminds me why hypocrites are abundant.
OMG.. they steals me ladder points. Why can they use maphack and production hack?
QQQ... Ladder is so important. If not for cheaters and hackers, I will not be stuck in gold league and now diamond.. QQQQ
OMG... thread about pros leveling accounts? Fuck that,, since I like the pros.. you know like dragon, naama etc. They can do no wrong as they are up in my holy pedestal. How is it wrong to abuse ladder? Ladder is not important. Who cares about ladder? Idiot threads.. GM is joke anyways. QQQQQ
Against bot/map hack you are playing non-human skills not representative of your opponent and there is not fair.
Pro boosting is still human player, playing human skill, and is representative of your opponent (who is a pro player, instead of account owner) and there is nothing unfair about the match up itself, just not who you think you are fighting (no different from playing against a smurf).
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iirc, sharing an account on iccup was a bannable offense. my clan had a few practice accounts that some of us would smurf on, and i think they got banned.
isn't this basically faking your work? like getting one of those online services to write an essay for you?
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On July 17 2012 03:44 eksert wrote:
It should be considered ban worthy i think.. many newcomer players show themselves in tourneys or entering GM. That will reduce their chances of being noticed.
If you think it's a good reason to ban Startale_Rainbow, well, good luck to you.
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i can bring your account up to high diamond if you want, im pretty good. btw this is rediculous.
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i loled. this is so pointless, unlike selling rating/gear in wow. as a former top tier arena player in wow alot of us sold teams and rating before blizzard gimped it. bunch of us sold accounts also when we quit playing. sure its against the rules but who doesnt like money.
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If GM worked properly (ie: actually required lots of wins and a good ratio to stay in), this problem wouldn't exist.
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I can't believe people think this is okay. Progamers are taking advantage of stupid kids with money, and stupid kids with money can potentially scam other stupid kids with money by offering coaching under the guise of being a GM player. Putting all of that aside, most people's excuse for this being okay is that progamers don't get paid enough??? Seriously, there are lots of people who don't get paid enough and since when was doing something immoral for extra pay a good thing? It may not effect 99.99% of the SC2 population, for the 1 or 5 people who couldn't get into GM because pros have 5 accounts on there, or for the stupid kids who got scammed getting coaching from a fake GM, it matters.
Also, maybe instead of wasting time leveling accounts pros should practice more so they can make more money from actually winning tournaments. Sorry, but for Code A / S level players levelling an account to GM is not practice, its a sad waste of time.
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On July 16 2012 16:32 VPCursed wrote:
Pro's need $ and in e-sports their isn't enough going around unless you're a top contender in tourneys.. hell.. i've seen forgg stream him self account leveling and chat with the person he was doing it for... Don't think its that bad of a thing tbh
I agree; if you're trying to break into Grandmaster, and you have all of these extra accounts in your way, shouldn't you be able to break in anyway?
I guess you're saying you'll have your spot "taken" by an "empty" account, but when you play the "empty" account, it'll be against a pro, or the easiest win of your life, and you'll be that much closer to promotion or getting better.
Still a win/win if you don't worry too much about it 
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