Progamers selling account leveling services - Page 20

On July 17 2012 04:42 GoSh4rks wrote:

Because the SATs are actually tied to you. As in you need ID from a government or your school to verify your identity. Starcraft does not require this.

On July 17 2012 04:56 Excalibur_Z wrote:


I'd definitely push for such a ban, and I say this as someone who watched his stream more frequently than any other featured stream on TL. Rainbow is one of my favorite players.

Lots of people have issue with the ladder because it's so obfuscated, and lots of people (high-level players in particular) hate GM because it's essentially a snapshot rather than a constantly-updated definitive list of the top 200 players in a region. That doesn't mean that GM has no merit to most players, because the non-GM players look to GM as their next progression point or as a list of players to track. Players in GM league commonly wear that as a badge of honor. GM is not intended to be the same as an up-to-date "200 best" list, instead it's designed to showcase notable players for a season (and the seasons are pretty short anyway). It seems to fit that role with how often players are chatting about who's new in GM. GM does mean something in that regard, as it should.

Players who are not only boosting other people's accounts but profiting off them ruin the integrity of the most prominent league in the game. The "free market" argument doesn't apply here because there is actual system manipulation practiced. It's one thing to offer training or coaching, quite another to actively cheat via account sharing (which is also prohibited by the way).

There's another issue with GM related to the limited number of slots, and that's using multiple accounts. I've seen quite a few examples of players looking to get all 2/3/4/5 (or however many they have) of their accounts in GM. That can't really be policed effectively (every enforcement method has a workaround), but is also not as detrimental because those accounts aren't getting in under false pretenses. When this happens, instead of 200 unique players it's more like 100 unique players, which just means the people who would be #101-200 need to play that much better to break into GM the next time. That's not as big a deal.

On July 17 2012 05:36 OFCORPSE wrote:
It's probably been said a lot already, but... Who cares. If your MMR is high enough, does it matter what league you're in? no, exactly, if you have top MMR, you can be in bronze during ladder lockdown and still play vs GM.

On July 17 2012 05:46 Dosey wrote:
This is a non-issue imo.

The only thing being hurt here are the wallets of the ones paying for the leveling.

Aspiring pros are hurt because they can't make it into GM? Are you serious? GM is flawed in itself as has been brought up MANY times, even by the pros. Everyone (good) also knows that once you make it into masters, rank means absolute shit. The only true deciding factor of skill once you make it there, is who you beat and how well you play. THAT is how you will get noticed. THAT is how you will get on a fucking team. Not by being in GM. Yes, teams do have cutoffs for applications, but they are usually set at masters.

As for the claims that it supports the hacking community... no, you're wrong. Hackers and potential hackers who frequent the websites and purchase the actual hack, they support the hacking community. The traffic alone probably pays for the website and everything else is profit. Something like this would go directly in their pocket (if the hackers are the ones even facilitating this) and have no real effects on the actual hacking community.

On July 17 2012 05:46 Dosey wrote:
As for the claims that it supports the hacking community... no, you're wrong. Hackers and potential hackers who frequent the websites and purchase the actual hack, they support the hacking community. The traffic alone probably pays for the website and everything else is profit. Something like this would go directly in their pocket (if the hackers are the ones even facilitating this) and have no real effects on the actual hacking community.

On July 17 2012 05:46 Dosey wrote:have no real effects on the actual hacking community.

On July 17 2012 05:46 Dosey wrote:The traffic alone probably pays for the website

On July 17 2012 05:16 JerKy wrote:

I disagree. It's actually very easy to cheat on SAT's, almost too easy in fact
I've personally been offered to take someone's SAT multiple times for money with the promise of a fake ID; its not very difficult

Also, the point isnt about HOW you cheat; its the fact that its still a form of cheating, and the same idea of "I want someone to do this for me so that I can get something I normally wouldnt be able to get". That's the parallel he's trying to make

On July 17 2012 05:55 dudesrslywtf wrote:






Trust me, I considered that the revenue isn't much, but if it helps keep the site online then any revenue at all is too much.

Besides, the very fact that pro-gamers are associating (even anonymously) with this hacking site tells all the hackers on there that these pro-gamers are totally cool with hackers and I'm sure it makes the hackers feel better and more comfortable with what they're doing. It's basically like an endorsement.

On July 17 2012 06:05 Dosey wrote:Hackers really don't care who "endorses" them or even if people are "cool" with them. It's an ego thing. Hackers hack because they can, they couldn't give two fucks what you think about them. Even if they weren't making insane profits, they'd still do it even if just for themselves.

On July 17 2012 06:05 Dosey wrote:It doesn't "help" pay for the website. It's ALL profit if you factor in their potential revenue from traffic alone. Hell, even if you remove the traffic revenue, TWO hack purchases pays for an entire year of hosting... just two...