EPTKeSPA vs GSL players cross-match - Page 9
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hangene92
Canada258 Posts
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ScienceRob
United States382 Posts
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TelecoM
United States10673 Posts
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SyDwaeji
Canada4 Posts
and Jaedong vs Mvp Oh yea!!! <3 | ||
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GuitarBizarre
United Kingdom332 Posts
On July 06 2012 00:56 ScienceRob wrote: I imagine the people who loved them in BW will find ways to make it seem like an incredible achievment if they manage to take a single game off any of the sc2 pros. Just like back in Broodwar it was an incredible achievement if a Foreigner could take a single game from a Korean, right? Lets not begrudge people for supporting who they support. There's no reason to take people's knees from under them if we can all be realistic and accept potential and results are two different things and should be kept in their own discussions. For my money, I'm confident the GSL players will win. However GOM may want to send out fan favourites rather than players who are the current hot shit. I'd expect MKP and DRG to be involved for that reason, but I might suspect that someone like Symbol or Monster would be left out in favour of slightly more stalwart players. It'll be interesting to see if Naniwa is asked, although given his personality I'd suspect he'd question being asked to show his builds to GSL players outside of the GSL itself. On the Broodwar side, I think its fine that the fans want success and want the Broodwar skill to translate into SC2, but lets not get ahead of ourselves. The broodwar players might be humble, but they're not liars, and they've all made very strong statements about their standings vs current pros and the time it will take them to be at that level. Even the most confident estimates have said 6 months practice in SC2 before they challenge current GSL pros. We're a long way from that, and I don't much fancy hearing a load of bellyaching and excuse making from the Broodwar contingent if/when Flash loses. In shorter terms, what I want to see is this: Broodwar Players Lose to SC2 Players > Broodwar fans accept it, say they put up a good show, and hope for the future, within which there is every chance the Broodwar players might turn out to be very, very good indeed. MAYBE. What I DON'T want to see is this: Broodwar Players Lose to SC2 Players > Broodwar fans start a flamewar about how the Broodwar players are still, despite losing, somehow supposed to be miraculously better than everyone else, and the discussion devolves into another bullshit elephant in the room argument that goes nowhere. Of course, if the BW players win, then all of that is blown out of the water. But I don't think even the BW players would suspect that should be happening. | ||
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Noxie
United States2227 Posts
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one-one-one
Sweden551 Posts
On July 05 2012 21:30 megid wrote: Yes, and that's why esports is not for any1. It's hard to win and a career is build of wins. No wins, no nothing. Tought. No, you are wrong. Take Polt , Bomber and ForGG as example. Everyone knows they are really really good. If you watch them stream they show a level of play so high that they could take a bo 7 series against anyone on a good day. Are they bad players you mean ? | ||
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Random_Guy09
Canada1010 Posts
On July 05 2012 22:10 DayWalk3r wrote: I'd rather see Nestea take Flash on, it'd be like the more famous student meeting his master once again :-) Nestea in a match where he gets to study and prepare given his talent for game plans in GSL would just make it one sided :p all he'd have to come up with is how easily can I punish a greedy 14 CC every game :p | ||
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jnd
Czech Republic915 Posts
That means the Kespa players have really high chance to succeed, I don't think it will be so one sided as people are saying here. Being great Code S player doesn't help so much here. | ||
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IamPryda
United States1186 Posts
On July 05 2012 13:54 docvoc wrote: The question is who is Gom gonna send, I think we all realize how bad TvZ is right now for pros so wouldn't it be an easy win to send in Symbol against the terrans... Seriously the scariest players besides Jaedong play Terran so for Symbol it would be an "easy" win. It would be a great game though. I think that if they put in Inori in a PvP it would be all but over for anyone he played. My point here is that Gom can easily win this but is that the point? If that is not the point, what would be the point of the showmatch? So basically what your saying tsl should play the kespa players? | ||
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RyanRushia
United States2748 Posts
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
On July 06 2012 01:13 Random_Guy09 wrote: Nestea in a match where he gets to study and prepare given his talent for game plans in GSL would just make it one sided :p all he'd have to come up with is how easily can I punish a greedy 14 CC every game :p + Show Spoiler + Nestea, an old guy who 10 pools in the deciding game because of a lack of stamina? Surely if things go to mid-late game Flash/Jaedong/Bisu/Fantasy have a chance. I might actually take Fantasy or Flash on liquibet right now, to be honest. | ||
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jaQi
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Valeranth
United States100 Posts
On July 06 2012 00:56 ScienceRob wrote: I imagine the people who loved them in BW will find ways to make it seem like an incredible achievment if they manage to take a single game off any of the sc2 pros. I think it would be amazing. The BW Pro's are really good at Sc2 already but many of them are not even able to get into grandmaster yet, in part due to having to play both SC2 and BW at the same time and due to the time they have played. The meta game they are playing with is also more geared towards broodwar builds right now. Overall if they play the top class Code S guys seriously right now I don't see any of them taking a game off unless it is early game cheese. | ||
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
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sCCrooked
Korea (South)1306 Posts
On July 06 2012 00:37 StarStruck wrote: Guys honestly being GM really doesn't mean that much at all. A lot of these guys were going to hit that mark regardless. I have to say it over and over. There is a huge division between the GM players alone. Being GM isn't enough. I'm not saying they'll take over the scene in the Fall tournament season or anything, but out of the total starcraft 2 players in the world, how many do you think actually make GM in 12 weeks of picking up the game? Was anyone here GM in 12 weeks after their first glimpses into "over...seer? hmm... maurader... wonder what that does"-stage? I know I wasn't. Now imagine a large pro-gaming organization who has just about everybody making a minimum of 1200pt++ masters within 4 weeks and of all those new strong players smushed into the upper masters, already so many are becoming GM and rising there too. I'm trying to put into perspective for us mortals exactly how good these people really are at RTS games. Meeting/hanging out with them is the only thing that really made me realize how in-depth these guys are and how far beyond comprehension they have taken their understanding of every timing, combination, etc. tl;dr Basically saying these guys aren't going to be considered "not-up-to-pro" level SC2 for much longer. | ||
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
On July 05 2012 13:54 SupLilSon wrote: Considering many of them have reached GM level on Korea server, you don't seem to know what you are talking about. It would be interesting to see someone like flash go full foreigner | ||
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Kajarn
United States126 Posts
Just sounds like an oportunity for a few BW Pros to show they are good at adapting to a different game, thats it. BTW: BW Pros aren't necessarily talented, just faster. Look at Nestea, who never had the mechanics to play BW, but is a genious in SC2. Even in current SC2 world Nestea is considered a slower Zerg! Maybe BW Pros will change the game by playing faster, but I highly doubt it. They will change the game due to their work ethic more than anything, which is not gonna happen for 6months to 1 year time. | ||
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A-p-p-l-e-s
Canada314 Posts
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