KeSPA vs GSL players cross-match - Page 10

On July 06 2012 01:55 Kajarn wrote:
BW Pros playing a game they aren't familiar with vs SC2 Pros who know all the tricks and established meta game.....
Just sounds like an oportunity for a few BW Pros to show they are good at adapting to a different game, thats it.

BTW: BW Pros aren't necessarily talented, just faster. Look at Nestea, who never had the mechanics to play BW, but is a genious in SC2. Even in current SC2 world Nestea is considered a slower Zerg!

Maybe BW Pros will change the game by playing faster, but I highly doubt it. They will change the game due to their work ethic more than anything, which is not gonna happen for 6months to 1 year time.

On July 06 2012 01:08 GuitarBizarre wrote:


Just like back in Broodwar it was an incredible achievement if a Foreigner could take a single game from a Korean, right?

Lets not begrudge people for supporting who they support. There's no reason to take people's knees from under them if we can all be realistic and accept potential and results are two different things and should be kept in their own discussions.


For my money, I'm confident the GSL players will win. However GOM may want to send out fan favourites rather than players who are the current hot shit. I'd expect MKP and DRG to be involved for that reason, but I might suspect that someone like Symbol or Monster would be left out in favour of slightly more stalwart players. It'll be interesting to see if Naniwa is asked, although given his personality I'd suspect he'd question being asked to show his builds to GSL players outside of the GSL itself.

On the Broodwar side, I think its fine that the fans want success and want the Broodwar skill to translate into SC2, but lets not get ahead of ourselves. The broodwar players might be humble, but they're not liars, and they've all made very strong statements about their standings vs current pros and the time it will take them to be at that level. Even the most confident estimates have said 6 months practice in SC2 before they challenge current GSL pros. We're a long way from that, and I don't much fancy hearing a load of bellyaching and excuse making from the Broodwar contingent if/when Flash loses.

In shorter terms, what I want to see is this:

Broodwar Players Lose to SC2 Players > Broodwar fans accept it, say they put up a good show, and hope for the future, within which there is every chance the Broodwar players might turn out to be very, very good indeed. MAYBE.

What I DON'T want to see is this:

Broodwar Players Lose to SC2 Players > Broodwar fans start a flamewar about how the Broodwar players are still, despite losing, somehow supposed to be miraculously better than everyone else, and the discussion devolves into another bullshit elephant in the room argument that goes nowhere.

Of course, if the BW players win, then all of that is blown out of the water. But I don't think even the BW players would suspect that should be happening.

On July 06 2012 01:52 sCCrooked wrote:


I'm not saying they'll take over the scene in the Fall tournament season or anything, but out of the total starcraft 2 players in the world, how many do you think actually make GM in 12 weeks of picking up the game?

Was anyone here GM in 12 weeks after their first glimpses into "over...seer? hmm... maurader... wonder what that does"-stage? I know I wasn't. Now imagine a large pro-gaming organization who has just about everybody making a minimum of 1200pt++ masters within 4 weeks and of all those new strong players smushed into the upper masters, already so many are becoming GM and rising there too.

I'm trying to put into perspective for us mortals exactly how good these people really are at RTS games. Meeting/hanging out with them is the only thing that really made me realize how in-depth these guys are and how far beyond comprehension they have taken their understanding of every timing, combination, etc.

tl;dr Basically saying these guys aren't going to be considered "not-up-to-pro" level SC2 for much longer.

On July 06 2012 01:08 GuitarBizarre wrote:

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For my money, I'm confident the GSL players will win. However GOM may want to send out fan favourites rather than players who are the current hot shit. I'd expect MKP and DRG to be involved for that reason, but I might suspect that someone like Symbol or Monster would be left out in favour of slightly more stalwart players. It'll be interesting to see if Naniwa is asked, although given his personality I'd suspect he'd question being asked to show his builds to GSL players outside of the GSL itself.+ Show Spoiler +

On July 06 2012 01:37 Xxio wrote:
Hm, I'd rather see this happen in 4-6 months. But even then, I don't see the need for it. They can play each other in tournaments.

On July 06 2012 02:48 Coolness53 wrote:
Honestly the biggest problem for the Kespa players right now is that there having to play SC and SCII at the same time in this Proleague Season 2.

If they can just play Starcraft II and not BW for two months solid of training. I do think they can stand a chance of taking some games off of. If DRG, MKP, MVP, Nestea, and MC play the Kespa players this month they will be dominated.

On July 06 2012 01:55 Kajarn wrote:
BW Pros playing a game they aren't familiar with vs SC2 Pros who know all the tricks and established meta game.....
Just sounds like an oportunity for a few BW Pros to show they are good at adapting to a different game, thats it.

BTW: BW Pros aren't necessarily talented, just faster. Look at Nestea, who never had the mechanics to play BW, but is a genious in SC2. Even in current SC2 world Nestea is considered a slower Zerg!

Maybe BW Pros will change the game by playing faster, but I highly doubt it. They will change the game due to their work ethic more than anything, which is not gonna happen for 6months to 1 year time.

On July 06 2012 02:10 StarStruck wrote:


Hey I'm not knocking them at all. What I said applies for every player who falls into GM.

I expected them to break GM easily due to their training regime. These guys know what hard work means.

You can speak for yourself, but these guys aren't your average run-of-the-mill players and that's why we're seeing such events like this. We also should remind ourselves that a lot of these so-called SC2 players were BW players prior.

This just makes the game more competitive and with HotS I think it blows open the whole scene. Guys who are irrelevant in WoL could easily start doing well in the expansion.

On July 06 2012 03:00 HappyTimePANDA wrote:


pre-HOTS, the Kespa guys need to face code A-B GSL to be competitive.

After Hots , I hope Kespa guys don't dominate, they are playing 2 games at once now, so this match isn't really worth showing. Just to introduce people to Kespa players.

I just hope the great SC2 players we have aren't pushed out once the Kespa players train only SC2. (well as long as they aren't Zerg)

On July 06 2012 01:55 Kajarn wrote:
BW Pros playing a game they aren't familiar with vs SC2 Pros who know all the tricks and established meta game.....
Just sounds like an oportunity for a few BW Pros to show they are good at adapting to a different game, thats it.

BTW: BW Pros aren't necessarily talented, just faster. Look at Nestea, who never had the mechanics to play BW, but is a genious in SC2. Even in current SC2 world Nestea is considered a slower Zerg!

Maybe BW Pros will change the game by playing faster, but I highly doubt it. They will change the game due to their work ethic more than anything, which is not gonna happen for 6months to 1 year time.

On July 06 2012 02:07 Emix_Squall wrote:


Holy crap, what did I just read ????

A constructive comment on SC2 / BW communities ... O_O
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