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GuitarBizarre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom332 Posts
July 05 2012 22:17 GMT
#221
On July 06 2012 07:01 mycro wrote:
Really wanna see Mvp vs Flash. Mvp is slumping a bit and Flash has probably grown a lot. Hopefully a good (dream) match.


"MVP is slumping a bit"

He won the last GSL, got cheesed out of this one, and hasn't played a single other tournament in that time? How do you figure he's slumping?
In retrospect, I don't know how you can play StarCraft without swearing. - Eifer
Seiferz
Profile Joined May 2011
United States640 Posts
July 05 2012 22:22 GMT
#222
On July 06 2012 07:17 GuitarBizarre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2012 07:01 mycro wrote:
Really wanna see Mvp vs Flash. Mvp is slumping a bit and Flash has probably grown a lot. Hopefully a good (dream) match.


"MVP is slumping a bit"

He won the last GSL, got cheesed out of this one, and hasn't played a single other tournament in that time? How do you figure he's slumping?


Anything less than 1st is a slump for mvp
Excelle
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden200 Posts
July 05 2012 22:28 GMT
#223
I would love to see this, it was about a month ago? Kespa players were at MLG?
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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
July 05 2012 22:45 GMT
#224
On July 06 2012 07:10 rauk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2012 07:04 GolemMadness wrote:
On July 06 2012 01:55 Kajarn wrote:
BW Pros playing a game they aren't familiar with vs SC2 Pros who know all the tricks and established meta game.....
Just sounds like an oportunity for a few BW Pros to show they are good at adapting to a different game, thats it.

BTW: BW Pros aren't necessarily talented, just faster. Look at Nestea, who never had the mechanics to play BW, but is a genious in SC2. Even in current SC2 world Nestea is considered a slower Zerg!

Maybe BW Pros will change the game by playing faster, but I highly doubt it. They will change the game due to their work ethic more than anything, which is not gonna happen for 6months to 1 year time.


Flash, Savior, Stork, etc?


flash is still 350 apm 250 eapm, a better example would be movie, iirc he's barely 240 apm


But he's not one of the fastest players out there, and he's the greatest player of all time. Plus he plays terran, where you really can't have an APM below 300.
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j1nzo
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany367 Posts
July 05 2012 22:50 GMT
#225
great news!
was waiting for this for 2 years!
i don't really think the kespa players have a chance at this moment.
they should however catch up in the nex couple months (especially after the release of hots).
♞ rest in peace Madiba ♞
saMas
Profile Joined July 2011
Belgium37 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-05 23:05:48
July 05 2012 23:04 GMT
#226
i don't believe any of the kespa players is code a level at this point
and flash vs mvp would be a joke tbh flash is a god don't get me wrong but let's be honest what would his gsl titles meen if he just would be rolled by a newcommer to sc2
Gruntt
Profile Joined August 2010
United States175 Posts
July 05 2012 23:08 GMT
#227
I think Flash will love losing. Really, I do. Sometimes it's nice after being at the top for so long... to get beat back down. Then you get that awesome rush of climbing back up again (the best part of any sport really).
saMas
Profile Joined July 2011
Belgium37 Posts
July 05 2012 23:10 GMT
#228
[/QUOTE]

lmao. BW is just as deep if not more deep than sc2. The fact that kespa players will be able to compete with pro's in half a year time (or one year) is the proof of it. You have to spent years of playing bw just to be considered terrible compared to the koreans.
You've got iccup ranking, then fish ranking, then korean amateurs, then the B team and then you've got the actual korean pro's amongst which HUGE differences exist.
10 years of playing the same game and new revolutionary strategies and tricks were still being discovered, seems a lot more deep than sc2.[/QUOTE]

Who the hell says they can compete? have you seen them play vs any sc2players i haven't that's for sure kespa was just protecting there name in some way but now atlast we will know how big that elephant actualy is
Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
July 05 2012 23:11 GMT
#229
On July 06 2012 08:08 Gruntt wrote:
I think Flash will love losing. Really, I do. Sometimes it's nice after being at the top for so long... to get beat back down. Then you get that awesome rush of climbing back up again (the best part of any sport really).

People loooooove improvement
Jaedong.
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
July 05 2012 23:28 GMT
#230
I've said this before, but try this:

All-kill format with two teams, all Kespa players versus MC, MVP, Nestea. Who wins?
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
brrip
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom211 Posts
July 05 2012 23:28 GMT
#231
On July 06 2012 07:17 GuitarBizarre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2012 07:01 mycro wrote:
Really wanna see Mvp vs Flash. Mvp is slumping a bit and Flash has probably grown a lot. Hopefully a good (dream) match.


"MVP is slumping a bit"

He won the last GSL, got cheesed out of this one, and hasn't played a single other tournament in that time? How do you figure he's slumping?


more like he cheesed the last gsl, got cheesed out of this one. relative to his old form, this is a slump. he's winning games fine, but it's not the guy we all remember beating ogs.top in that epic game 1 of the finals.
Wrathsc2
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2025 Posts
July 05 2012 23:31 GMT
#232
On July 06 2012 08:28 brrip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2012 07:17 GuitarBizarre wrote:
On July 06 2012 07:01 mycro wrote:
Really wanna see Mvp vs Flash. Mvp is slumping a bit and Flash has probably grown a lot. Hopefully a good (dream) match.


"MVP is slumping a bit"

He won the last GSL, got cheesed out of this one, and hasn't played a single other tournament in that time? How do you figure he's slumping?


more like he cheesed the last gsl, got cheesed out of this one. relative to his old form, this is a slump. he's winning games fine, but it's not the guy we all remember beating ogs.top in that epic game 1 of the finals.


when he beat squirtle he was in the best form he has ever been.
A marine walks into a bar and asks, "Wheres the counter?"
stratmatt
Profile Joined April 2011
United States913 Posts
July 05 2012 23:39 GMT
#233
On July 06 2012 08:28 brrip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2012 07:17 GuitarBizarre wrote:
On July 06 2012 07:01 mycro wrote:
Really wanna see Mvp vs Flash. Mvp is slumping a bit and Flash has probably grown a lot. Hopefully a good (dream) match.


"MVP is slumping a bit"

He won the last GSL, got cheesed out of this one, and hasn't played a single other tournament in that time? How do you figure he's slumping?


more like he cheesed the last gsl, got cheesed out of this one. relative to his old form, this is a slump. he's winning games fine, but it's not the guy we all remember beating ogs.top in that epic game 1 of the finals.




Dude, people have been saying MVP is in a slump since before his last 3 gsl finals and last 2 final victories. GET REAL.
ABear
Profile Joined June 2006
United States161 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-05 23:41:49
July 05 2012 23:41 GMT
#234
On July 06 2012 08:10 saMas wrote:


Who the hell says they can compete? have you seen them play vs any sc2players i haven't that's for sure kespa was just protecting there name in some way but now atlast we will know how big that elephant actualy is

Anyone with common sense? The sc2 pros are guys that couldnt hack it in BW. Of course the BW guys can compete with them t.t Maybe not now but soon forsure.
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
July 05 2012 23:41 GMT
#235
On July 06 2012 08:31 Wrathsc2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2012 08:28 brrip wrote:
On July 06 2012 07:17 GuitarBizarre wrote:
On July 06 2012 07:01 mycro wrote:
Really wanna see Mvp vs Flash. Mvp is slumping a bit and Flash has probably grown a lot. Hopefully a good (dream) match.


"MVP is slumping a bit"

He won the last GSL, got cheesed out of this one, and hasn't played a single other tournament in that time? How do you figure he's slumping?


more like he cheesed the last gsl, got cheesed out of this one. relative to his old form, this is a slump. he's winning games fine, but it's not the guy we all remember beating ogs.top in that epic game 1 of the finals.


when he beat squirtle he was in the best form he has ever been.


He really did not play in those games. I will say debuting a cool strat was awesome but he lost that game but his wins werent as awesome as his losses.
GrapeApe
Profile Joined March 2011
1053 Posts
July 06 2012 00:04 GMT
#236
On July 06 2012 08:28 brrip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2012 07:17 GuitarBizarre wrote:
On July 06 2012 07:01 mycro wrote:
Really wanna see Mvp vs Flash. Mvp is slumping a bit and Flash has probably grown a lot. Hopefully a good (dream) match.


"MVP is slumping a bit"

He won the last GSL, got cheesed out of this one, and hasn't played a single other tournament in that time? How do you figure he's slumping?


more like he cheesed the last gsl, got cheesed out of this one. relative to his old form, this is a slump. he's winning games fine, but it's not the guy we all remember beating ogs.top in that epic game 1 of the finals.



Aren't his hands/wrists, like, SUPER bad?

Least we can watch me him HSC ^^
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
July 06 2012 00:08 GMT
#237
I think you guys expect way too much out of MVP.
MichaelDonovan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1453 Posts
July 06 2012 00:18 GMT
#238
On July 05 2012 14:16 NoGasfOu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 13:48 Sea_Food wrote:
Afaik the kespa,players aint even forgeiner pro level yet.

High master KR is probably better than foreign GM.


That has nothing to do with pro level.
Nazeron
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1046 Posts
July 06 2012 00:33 GMT
#239
Cool, will be super interesting to watch and see how the kespa players do
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Kitaen
Profile Joined June 2011
Austria466 Posts
July 06 2012 00:34 GMT
#240
On July 06 2012 07:13 sGs.Kal_rA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2012 06:48 maybenexttime wrote:
On July 06 2012 04:57 sGs.Kal_rA wrote:
On July 06 2012 01:55 Kajarn wrote:
BW Pros playing a game they aren't familiar with vs SC2 Pros who know all the tricks and established meta game.....
Just sounds like an oportunity for a few BW Pros to show they are good at adapting to a different game, thats it.

BTW: BW Pros aren't necessarily talented, just faster. Look at Nestea, who never had the mechanics to play BW, but is a genious in SC2. Even in current SC2 world Nestea is considered a slower Zerg!

Maybe BW Pros will change the game by playing faster, but I highly doubt it. They will change the game due to their work ethic more than anything, which is not gonna happen for 6months to 1 year time.

The real fun is going to come in a couple months when they understand the game.. Its when they stop simply massing games to get a feel of how sc2 works and start tailoring their own strategies. Like when Slayers when for that blue flame strat that got nerfed. Or when Flash develops a new bw build from ground up that accounts for every possible weakness, yet remains optimal / can cut corners when needed based on what he scouts. These players are tactical geniuses. Their game sense / reaction times for RTS games are the best in the world. After they get adjusted in a couple months we can see whats really up.

This is FAR from a perfect science though lol... just gotta wait and see


Saying that Nestea didn't have the mechanics is bullshit. sAviOr had around 250 apm for god's sake. T______T

Thats the beauty of this game Being fast helps. But its not necessary. I remember reading an interview form Movie where he said his coach always thought he was just surfing the web instead of practicing cause he played so slow.. I think his apm avged around 180-240.. slower than sAviOr lol



like it matters if you have 150 or 1000 in sc2

it doesn't

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