EPTI guess it's true what they say about lies told often enough.
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pmp10
3325 Posts
I guess it's true what they say about lies told often enough. | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On July 03 2012 11:40 emc wrote: oh no, a 40/60 win rate? my god, the game must be broken. Just look at the graph yourself and see what the winrates used to be last year. It was brutal for Zergs from September to November in 2011. And they got buffed because of it. You are really biased, lol. | ||
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emc
United States3088 Posts
On July 03 2012 12:09 Shiori wrote: And they got buffed because of it. You are really biased, lol. still waiting on morrow to win a major since his race switch, should be easy right? after spending so much time with zerg and enjoying the free handouts blizzard gives us, should be a free win, no? | ||
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Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
[quote] I think if they revert ghost snipe change it would make really interesting end games. Imagine a max zerg army and an army of ghosts and fungals/emp/snipes were being thrown everywhere would make a really great viewing experience[quote]No... it'd be more like 2-3 fungals then 10 dead/energyless infestors and 10+ dead brood lords. Infestors can't really deal with ghosts, especially when there's siege tanks to pick them off. There's a reason the snipe change was done. Well zerg in general can't deal with ghosts due to the power of snipe. At least with protoss ball of death zerg can mass corruptors and/or broodlords, and throw some fungals. Against terran, siege tanks (or even ghosts) pick off banelings and infestors, while ghosts will deal with every other unit fine due to snipe. Siege tank and marauders would clean up any ultralisks or roaches that ghosts couldn't handle (which they could if they're at full energy) Even ignoring that, snipe itself is a poor skill in my opinion (along with corruption and 250mm cannons), that I don't even think really needs to be in the game, let alone buffed. Basic skills with direct non-strategic effects don't really help the game in my opinion. | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On July 03 2012 12:16 emc wrote: still waiting on morrow to win a major since his race switch, should be easy right? after spending so much time with zerg and enjoying the free handouts blizzard gives us, should be a free win, no? ...? There are players a lot better than Morrow at these tournaments, lol. I have no idea why you would pick some random example of a race switcher and use that to conclusively say anything, or even to point in some direction. | ||
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Glockateer
United States254 Posts
Also, the bias has been obvious since Blizzard nerfed units for being "too versatile" while the infestor remains a counter to almost everything. | ||
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Thrillz
4313 Posts
On July 03 2012 11:58 Drascus wrote: Okay I'm curious, people keep talking about how ineffective Hellions are, and that makes sense because the queen buff was pretty much to counter hellions. My question is this. Terran have to have at least one rax with a tech lab to get stim if they're going bio. Why not make like, 2 marauders and kite queens all day long? 6 range, can get concussive shell, seems like you could either kill the queens or force them away from the leading edge of the creep and just kill any tumors that pop up un-supported. I'm aware there may be a perfectly good reason why this isn't done. I don't play at a high level and I don't play Terran but to me as a Zerg player it seems like the obvious counter. I'm no high level player...but it seems obvious to me. If you are just making a few Marauders for Queens they are not going to do anything as they are not cost effective against lings. So you get surrounded quickly and lost your expensive (esp early game) Marauders. Not to mention they offer little mobility and map control. | ||
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kinglemon
Germany199 Posts
On July 02 2012 23:21 NeMeSiS3 wrote: I always enjoy when people quote Korean Terrans on balance... I wonder why they're so upset, after 2 years of complete Terran dominance in which GomTV was GOMTVT it's no surprise that when the Zergs have a fighting chance, the games auto imbalanced. They're playing this game for money, they couldn't give a shit about whether they're biased or not, the more it favours them the more they can win. So let us please stop quoting professional Korean Terran players going "it's so hard". Good, that's the idea of the game. 7 terran gsl titles against 5 zerg. | ||
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SnowFox2ne1
United States52 Posts
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Ace.Xile
United States286 Posts
I don't see how this is an arguing point, Terran has 32 top finishes, zerg 10, toss 14, terran has more than the other two combined lol. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
Now TLPD winrates. Woe is me! | ||
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pOnarreT
155 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + in my opinion | ||
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ailouros
United States193 Posts
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RDaneelOlivaw
Vatican City State733 Posts
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-TesteR-
Canada1165 Posts
On July 03 2012 14:10 pOnarreT wrote: funny no one mentioning about Terran's domination in TvP both Korea and foreign after the whole drama the previous months that Terrans can't win against Protoss. And they aren't doing that bad either against Z, at least not in Korea. Foreign Terran whiners (i repeat, only those whiners, not the brave Terrans) are really the scum of SC2, only knows how to whine and not to try. + Show Spoiler + in my opinion Yes i think the more pressing issue is the imbalance shown in PvT being so terran favoured. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On July 03 2012 14:29 -TesteR- wrote: Yes i think the more pressing issue is the imbalance shown in PvT being so terran favoured. This, PvT is pretty bad atm. They either have to buff Protoss or nerf Terran some more, and given the trend that Terran is starting to win more and more against Zerg they should Nerf Terran some more, since they will be on par with Zerg pretty soon anyway and prolly have a higher win % shortly after that. | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On July 03 2012 15:20 Integra wrote: This, PvT is pretty bad atm. They either have to buff Protoss or nerf Terran some more, and given the trend that Terran is starting to win more and more against Zerg they should Nerf Terran some more, since they will be on par with Zerg pretty soon anyway and prolly have a higher win % shortly after that. Yep, because Flash taking games off Stork and Bisu, or people like Maru, Jjaki taking games off Arthur, Mentalist, or MKP who has the best TvP went all-kill StarTale and score 6-3 TvP and didn't lose to any Protoss but MC this month (on international database, he went 11-5 losing only to Alicia and demolish JYP 5-2 in IPL fightclub), clearly means TvP is in Terran favor. | ||
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
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Sabu113
United States11048 Posts
On July 03 2012 15:20 Integra wrote: This, PvT is pretty bad atm. They either have to buff Protoss or nerf Terran some more, and given the trend that Terran is starting to win more and more against Zerg they should Nerf Terran some more, since they will be on par with Zerg pretty soon anyway and prolly have a higher win % shortly after that. It's actually funny. I really do think that the hypothesis that many terrans had (balance) inflated ranks and prestige has some merit. Still we can't forget this is during a period where MKP was a beast and the toss stars seem to be doing a bit meh for a little bit. Nothing of merit is going to change before HoTS and the HoTS changes while good still might not be the "right" fixes to add proper elasticity to some of the matchups. | ||
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BobMcJohnson
France2916 Posts
On July 03 2012 15:20 Integra wrote: This, PvT is pretty bad atm. They either have to buff Protoss or nerf Terran some more, and given the trend that Terran is starting to win more and more against Zerg they should Nerf Terran some more, since they will be on par with Zerg pretty soon anyway and prolly have a higher win % shortly after that. You can't really base anything off the Korean stats, since the sample is way too small, look at the OP update on TvZ, what appeared to be terran favored is actually a 41/59% in Zergs favor, since ~200 games from the TSL and Code A qualifiers were left out. Same things for TvP, just as a example, if you remove MKP it goes back to TvP 52%/48%. The sample size is so small that the games of one player can make it shift from problematic to completely fine. The International graph has a much more relevant sample size and shows perfectly fine balance in TvP. | ||
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