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This thread is going nowhere and I'm tired of dealing with it. Either drop the personal attacks and whining and replace it with actual discussion or it'll be closed.
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On June 21 2012 02:06 KawaiiRice wrote:
its painful reading stuff in this thread from ppl that obviously do not play or understand the game at a high level ~~ like they think all the pros sit around and cry and haven't tried anything new ever since the patch... or that they understand something we never thought of lol
It's fucken ravens mate, haven't you ever heard of them?!?!?!!?!?!!?!?!!?!?!!?!?!?!?
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Why isn't this just part of the designated balance discussion thread. Nothing new is being said that hasn't already been said there and the whole thread is just a loaded question anyhow.
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On June 21 2012 02:31 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 02:30 bakedace wrote:On June 21 2012 02:06 KawaiiRice wrote:
its painful reading stuff in this thread from ppl that obviously do not play or understand the game at a high level ~~ like they think all the pros sit around and cry and haven't tried anything new ever since the patch... or that they understand something we never thought of lol says the kid that said "all zergs are losing cause they are bad" back before all the nerfs / buffs. It was a fact. I'm not sure what nerfs/buffs you're referring to, but for the past ~6 months at least, this has been the truth. Zergs are losing to all-ins, Archon Toilets, and other mistakes. No Zerg who plays a solid macro game and who scouts all-ins well is losing regularly unless they screw up hard.
This was way before the last 6 months. This was when the game came out and for about an entire year after that. ALOT of nerfs to terrans and protoss since then and almost none for zerg. The only major nerf to zerg in that time was the roach supply.
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On June 21 2012 02:30 bakedace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 02:06 KawaiiRice wrote:
its painful reading stuff in this thread from ppl that obviously do not play or understand the game at a high level ~~ like they think all the pros sit around and cry and haven't tried anything new ever since the patch... or that they understand something we never thought of lol says the kid that said "all zergs are losing cause they are bad" back before all the nerfs / buffs.
k? lol
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Banshee Raven dies to 4 queens even with pdd. End of discussion with that please.....
And Zerg is my new race pretty soon.
Also Recent zerg stats
http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/2509/tgth.jpg
Also if i might add 2 zergs got out the group last night ez pz  (GSL)
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The argument "terran was op before, now you know how we feel" is really, really weird to me. Just cause they fucked up earlier doesn't mean they have to fuck up in another way again?
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On June 21 2012 02:36 NaEjeOn88 wrote:
Banshee Raven dies to 4 queens even with pdd. End of discussion with that please.....
Gonna have to disagree there. Two banshees and a raven can ravage the creep lines and either take out a queen or two, or fly away when the PDD is up.
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On June 21 2012 02:40 Swipe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 02:36 NaEjeOn88 wrote:
Banshee Raven dies to 4 queens even with pdd. End of discussion with that please.....
Gonna have to disagree there. Two banshees and a raven can ravage the creep lines and either take out a queen or two, or fly away when the PDD is up.
Not even gonna argue, you obviously dont play Terran.
Even idra said on state of the game how raven banshee isnt that great.
Sick of poeople saying this is the answwer. Thats a joke.
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On June 21 2012 02:30 bakedace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 02:06 KawaiiRice wrote:
its painful reading stuff in this thread from ppl that obviously do not play or understand the game at a high level ~~ like they think all the pros sit around and cry and haven't tried anything new ever since the patch... or that they understand something we never thought of lol says the kid that said "all zergs are losing cause they are bad" back before all the nerfs / buffs.
on the bright side, if you do lose from all-ins/etc, then the zerg probably is actually really really really bad then - why aren't you making queens and units rather than lazily making drones
then again there's no stable all-in timing then so all timings are now also gimmicky
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On June 21 2012 02:31 Swipe wrote:
Banshee Raven is still a valid way to deny creep, Dreamhack taught us that. Terrans are figuring this out.
Yes please tell us how wildly succesful terran was at dreamhack.
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On June 21 2012 02:50 TeslaTrooper wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 02:31 Swipe wrote:
Banshee Raven is still a valid way to deny creep, Dreamhack taught us that. Terrans are figuring this out. Yes please tell us how wildly succesful terran was at dreamhack.
Dont worry about him, he obviously dosnt do his research and is just a random protoss bronze kid.
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um, im sorry, but since any strategy using significant numbers of queens has pathetic ability to put on pressure (invested 300-600 extra mins in something that flat-out cannot attack), so if you scout your opponent going for mass queens why not go 4-5 OC on 2 base with lots of bunkers and/or PF's/good simcity and then go from there?
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On June 21 2012 02:55 ScoSteSal wrote:
um, im sorry, but since any strategy using significant numbers of queens has pathetic ability to put on pressure (invested 300-600 extra mins in something that flat-out cannot attack), so if you scout your opponent going for mass queens why not go 4-5 OC on 2 base with lots of bunkers and/or PF's/good simcity and then go from there?
Watch DRG vs MKP game 2 at MLG Anaheim. MKP was about as greedy as you could possibly be, but DRG just maxed at like 12 mins on muta/bling and went and killed him.
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On June 21 2012 02:55 ScoSteSal wrote:
um, im sorry, but since any strategy using significant numbers of queens has pathetic ability to put on pressure (invested 300-600 extra mins in something that flat-out cannot attack), so if you scout your opponent going for mass queens why not go 4-5 OC on 2 base with lots of bunkers and/or PF's/good simcity and then go from there?
Zerg will max out by 14 minutes with 75% of the map covered in creep while terran is getting his/her 4th CC up. Even then, it doesn't help at all, zerg has a deathball late game army comp while terran doesn't
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On June 21 2012 02:57 ProxyKnoxy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 02:55 ScoSteSal wrote:
um, im sorry, but since any strategy using significant numbers of queens has pathetic ability to put on pressure (invested 300-600 extra mins in something that flat-out cannot attack), so if you scout your opponent going for mass queens why not go 4-5 OC on 2 base with lots of bunkers and/or PF's/good simcity and then go from there? Watch DRG vs MKP game 2 at MLG Anaheim. MKP was about as greedy as you could possibly be, but DRG just maxed at like 12 mins on muta/bling and went and killed him.
or if the Z scouts this, they get ridiculously fast hive, which is harder to deal with for terran.
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On June 21 2012 02:36 NaEjeOn88 wrote:Banshee Raven dies to 4 queens even with pdd. End of discussion with that please..... And Zerg is my new race pretty soon. Also Recent zerg stats http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/2509/tgth.jpgAlso if i might add 2 zergs got out the group last night ez pz (GSL)
Those stats look fine to me...
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On June 21 2012 02:55 ScoSteSal wrote:
um, im sorry, but since any strategy using significant numbers of queens has pathetic ability to put on pressure (invested 300-600 extra mins in something that flat-out cannot attack), so if you scout your opponent going for mass queens why not go 4-5 OC on 2 base with lots of bunkers and/or PF's/good simcity and then go from there?
terran making extra cc's delays their production. anything past a fast 3rd base isnt beneficial at all because 4th base isnt useful in the slightest since we aren't gas-starved and anything over 3base saturation is bad.
on the other hand since all z production comes from hatch them playing greedy doesnt have the same effect ... at all. so going 4 cc's or more is worse for terran basically lol
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On June 21 2012 03:00 Fission wrote: Those stats look fine to me...
all pretty much green and red huh.
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On June 21 2012 03:03 zhurai wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 03:00 Fission wrote:On June 21 2012 02:36 NaEjeOn88 wrote:Banshee Raven dies to 4 queens even with pdd. End of discussion with that please..... And Zerg is my new race pretty soon. Also Recent zerg stats http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/2509/tgth.jpgAlso if i might add 2 zergs got out the group last night ez pz (GSL) Those stats look fine to me... all pretty much green and red huh.
Don't you see the blue dot ? Terran OP !
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"If Zerg is investing so much into queens, Terran can do a Triple Orbital build to get a faster third to get ahead."
- Yes, but this thread is talking about how terran can use their early-midgame army to punish Zerg mass queen. But for the sake of argument, Triple CC is a great build however, the goal of Triple CC is to get ahead economically in the midgame so you can kill the zerg in his lategame. Yes, Kill the Zerg in his LATEGAME. Ironic because lategame is Terrans weakest and Zergs strongest.
this is the same thing that zergs go through in PvZ
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