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mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
June 14 2012 21:53 GMT
#241
On June 15 2012 02:33 usethis2 wrote:
And I don't think MKP ever whines as much as MVP, either. At least not publicly.


It's hard to whine at the same time that you're crying

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kratos-23
Profile Joined March 2011
303 Posts
June 14 2012 22:00 GMT
#242
"However, because we are young, we still have plenty of opportunities. I hope those progamers decide to walk down a path other than gaming. If you feel like gaming might not be for you, you should try something new. I give this advice because I saw many in Starcraft 1 who suffered even more later on because they weren’t able to give up gaming. I’ve been meaning to say this for a while now but only got to do it now. "

mvp afraid of new competition?
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
June 14 2012 22:01 GMT
#243
On June 15 2012 07:00 kratos-23 wrote:
"However, because we are young, we still have plenty of opportunities. I hope those progamers decide to walk down a path other than gaming. If you feel like gaming might not be for you, you should try something new. I give this advice because I saw many in Starcraft 1 who suffered even more later on because they weren’t able to give up gaming. I’ve been meaning to say this for a while now but only got to do it now. "

mvp afraid of new competition?


not sure how you managed to get that out of that

he's saying a lot of BW pros are confused as to what to do now that BW is almost dead, and that they should not continue pro-gaming in sc2 if they don't enjoy it just because they are afraid to do something else in life.
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
June 14 2012 22:02 GMT
#244
On June 15 2012 06:25 fraktoasters wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 05:27 Aunvilgod wrote:
On June 15 2012 04:36 FakeDeath wrote:
On June 15 2012 03:52 Shiori wrote:
On June 15 2012 03:44 babysimba wrote:
There's nothing wrong with saying one cannot lose if he plays perfectly. If flash can't lose when he plays perfectly, does it mean terran is imbalanced? Even JD has said sc2 zerg has a high enough skill cap mechanically for him to outshine other zergs. Take their opinions with a grain of salt. They might be boasting, whining, playing mind games, or just entertaining their fans.

Nobody said "perfectly." DRG said it didn't matter if any other player played well against him as long as he played well. So what, when two players both play well, the Zerg gets an easy win? I know Zerg players like to pretend DRG is on a level above Code S, but he isn't. He's a talented player, yes, but there are plenty of them, many of whom are definitely on the same level as DRG.


Tell me which zerg is on DRG level?
DRG is the best zerg NOW.The guy got a freaking average 450 EAPM.
I could even say he is the strongest player in terms of mechanic and speed.

Anyways, TvZ match-up is favoring the zerg currently.

OMG Please don't take DRG words so literally.
He was just confident that he could beat anybody in MLG after beating MKP in the winners final.


APM doesn´t mean shit. You really don´t need that much for SCII atm. Also, even if DRG is the best player in the world, the fact that he will win no matter what if he plays his best is not how the state game should be.


So the best player in the world playing his best should lose.

Yes. Aside from the fact that DRG isn't far and away the best player in the world (there isn't a clear best at this point in time) there are people who can put in uncharacteristically stellar performances and take down legends like Flash even when Flash is playing well.
MosteN
Profile Joined June 2012
Sweden5 Posts
June 14 2012 22:09 GMT
#245
Nice interview, it cleared up some stuff, thanks!
NaNiwa, Alica and ThorZain
kratos-23
Profile Joined March 2011
303 Posts
June 14 2012 22:21 GMT
#246
On June 15 2012 07:01 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 07:00 kratos-23 wrote:
"However, because we are young, we still have plenty of opportunities. I hope those progamers decide to walk down a path other than gaming. If you feel like gaming might not be for you, you should try something new. I give this advice because I saw many in Starcraft 1 who suffered even more later on because they weren’t able to give up gaming. I’ve been meaning to say this for a while now but only got to do it now. "

mvp afraid of new competition?


not sure how you managed to get that out of that

he's saying a lot of BW pros are confused as to what to do now that BW is almost dead, and that they should not continue pro-gaming in sc2 if they don't enjoy it just because they are afraid to do something else in life.


he said "I hope those progamers decide to walk down a path other than gaming."
can't make it clearer for you.
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
June 14 2012 22:25 GMT
#247
On June 15 2012 07:21 kratos-23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 07:01 Dodgin wrote:
On June 15 2012 07:00 kratos-23 wrote:
"However, because we are young, we still have plenty of opportunities. I hope those progamers decide to walk down a path other than gaming. If you feel like gaming might not be for you, you should try something new. I give this advice because I saw many in Starcraft 1 who suffered even more later on because they weren’t able to give up gaming. I’ve been meaning to say this for a while now but only got to do it now. "

mvp afraid of new competition?


not sure how you managed to get that out of that

he's saying a lot of BW pros are confused as to what to do now that BW is almost dead, and that they should not continue pro-gaming in sc2 if they don't enjoy it just because they are afraid to do something else in life.


he said "I hope those progamers decide to walk down a path other than gaming."
can't make it clearer for you.


Is english not your first language? He doesn't want progamers who have lost their passion to feel forced to continue down that path because people have been burned by it before.
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zerious
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3803 Posts
June 14 2012 22:30 GMT
#248
On June 15 2012 07:21 kratos-23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 07:01 Dodgin wrote:
On June 15 2012 07:00 kratos-23 wrote:
"However, because we are young, we still have plenty of opportunities. I hope those progamers decide to walk down a path other than gaming. If you feel like gaming might not be for you, you should try something new. I give this advice because I saw many in Starcraft 1 who suffered even more later on because they weren’t able to give up gaming. I’ve been meaning to say this for a while now but only got to do it now. "

mvp afraid of new competition?


not sure how you managed to get that out of that

he's saying a lot of BW pros are confused as to what to do now that BW is almost dead, and that they should not continue pro-gaming in sc2 if they don't enjoy it just because they are afraid to do something else in life.


he said "I hope those progamers decide to walk down a path other than gaming."
can't make it clearer for you.


oh man...
teamhozac
Profile Joined April 2012
404 Posts
June 14 2012 22:31 GMT
#249
On June 15 2012 06:50 avilo wrote:
Expecting that they revert the queen change very soon.


Sure hope so
crocodile
Profile Joined February 2011
United States615 Posts
June 14 2012 22:33 GMT
#250
Really interesting Mvp interview. Genius' balance suggestion was good too.
Master League Terran. Huge fan of Quantic Gaming and ROOTDestiny
crocodile
Profile Joined February 2011
United States615 Posts
June 14 2012 22:43 GMT
#251
On June 15 2012 03:21 FakeDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 03:14 Destructicon wrote:
On June 15 2012 03:08 FakeDeath wrote:
On June 15 2012 03:04 Harrad wrote:
On June 15 2012 03:01 Dandel Ion wrote:
On June 15 2012 02:54 namste wrote:
I couldn't detect any _whine_ in the Mvp interview, he just stated that terran is having hard time right now as a race in general. I think the word whine has lost the little meaning it ever had.

What interview did you read?


Why were you going for third place?

I picked a Zerg but since the finals, I hadn't played a single TvZ. So I had no idea how strong Zerg was in the current metagame. I did really badly against Zerg in practice so I couldn’t be certain about winning. I came to the studio thinking that I should avoid straight losses at least.

Lately, there is talk of Zerg being OP.

There’s a reason I aimed only for third place. Lately, my win rate for TvZ and TvP are only at 30% or so. The only reason a Zerg or Protoss loses in a broadcasted match is because they don’t play their best. Unless those races make a mistake, it’s really hard for Terran to win. Until we come up with something new, it’ll continue to be hard for Terrans.
Back when Toss was the OP race, Terran could at least deal with it. But now, there is nothing we can do against Zerg. If you have two players of equal skill, the Terran cannot beat the Zerg.


How do you think it will be for you to take on a top level Zerg?

I haven’t won a single game against Nestea lately. Unless I come up with a new strategy or build, it’ll stay like that. The Terran race needs a revolutionist.

Before the match, you said that the six queen build is very strong

I tried playing Zerg on the ladder and met a lot of barcode Terrans. All those Terrans opted for an all-in build. I defended all of those all-ins with the six queen build. Unless, it’s a super early marine/scv cheese rush, six queens can hold anything.


How is that whine? If there's anyone who has an idea what hes talking about its MVP. Can you disprove his points?


When he said we got nothing we can do against zerg, he was whining.

Also, six queen build can hold ANYTHING???
Wow i did not know that then why zergs are not going 6 queen build all the way????

Please eventhough its MVP you should know whether a player is whining or not.


You have no idea what MVP has been trough, if he said he couldn't win any game vs Zerg and couldn't do anything, then you better believe he couldn't do anything.

And you know a lot of pro gamers off race form time to time to gain insight on the other race, and fish for ideas on how to counter a particular thing, if Mvp played Zerg and could defend any early aggression with a 6 queen build then that is pretty damning. If out of all the terrans that MVP meet on ladder if no one could find a pressure or all-in build to kill or challenge his 6 queen build, then it is quite worrisome.


I find this funny actually.
MVP:Lately my TvZ are only at 30% or so and i haven't won a single game against Nestea recently
Nestea:When IM team members practice against each other, the Terrans win most of the time.

Please MVP was whining when he said there is nothing terran can do against zerg.

Mvp is not all IM Terrans. Also, a statement like that can be attributed to a gap in skill between the IM Terrans and the rest of the IM players, while an overall low win rate in all of Mvp's matchups except TvT indicates that he's having trouble against people on ladder and practice partners which could skew his winrate from his games against his (besides nestea and losira) relatively low-level teammates. Basically; Mvp is winning slightly more against the bad players on IM (not including Nestea and maybe losira), while he's losing more to the better players from other teams and on ladder.

Also, from the same Nestea interview: "I feel like as long as I keep facing Terrans, I will make it all the way to the championship."
When has Nestea ever been strongest against Terran?
Master League Terran. Huge fan of Quantic Gaming and ROOTDestiny
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
June 14 2012 22:52 GMT
#252
^ zvt is infact nesteas weakest matchup by ffar
The Notorious Winkles
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-14 22:55:04
June 14 2012 22:53 GMT
#253
Pretty sure blizzard won't change anything till Heart of the swarm, which means a year of botched tournaments. DRG will simply not lose to anyone, best mechanical player combined with map hacks (creep + nitropack overlords) can't lose. He also knows how to react to everything he scouts, this buff will significantly increase his tournament wins.
Question.?
crocodile
Profile Joined February 2011
United States615 Posts
June 14 2012 22:56 GMT
#254
On June 15 2012 06:53 mikedebo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 02:33 usethis2 wrote:
And I don't think MKP ever whines as much as MVP, either. At least not publicly.


It's hard to whine at the same time that you're crying

First of all mikedebo, you're a douchebag.

@usethis2
God, this took forever to find
http://twitter.com/MKPS2/status/210345589035114499

User was temp banned for this post.
Master League Terran. Huge fan of Quantic Gaming and ROOTDestiny
mrjpark
Profile Joined March 2011
United States276 Posts
June 14 2012 22:58 GMT
#255
On June 14 2012 23:35 Gladiator333 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2012 23:34 opterown wrote:
On June 14 2012 23:33 Poisonblack wrote:
the king of terran is also the king of whining.. unsurprisingly

mvp very rarely whines, doesn't he?


He used to not whine so much, but I think after he got his wrist problems since August he has started to whine more and more in interviews. At least that's my opinion.


He's always been whining. It was GomTvT, Protoss was struggling and Zerg seemed hopeless...and according to Mvp Terran needed buffs. Take his balance complaints with a grain of salt.

And ignore Genius. Protoss had a 65% win rate against Zerg, Terrans had started their slow decline, Zergs were struggling..and Genius was complaining that Protoss was UP and had no idea why everyone else, including his Protoss colleagues, was saying Protoss was strong.

These guys are pro gamers, they will (almost) always be biased for their own race. But if I learned anything in my life, it's that there is always a LITTLE BIT of truth in anything. It doesn't really matter what color the house is painted but the fact that it exists. So yeah, acknowledge that they said what they said. Think about it for yourself, don't take what they say at face value because they have their own agendas.
usethis2
Profile Joined December 2010
2164 Posts
June 14 2012 23:00 GMT
#256
On June 15 2012 03:16 lannisport wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 02:18 usethis2 wrote:
On June 15 2012 00:52 FakeDeath wrote:
Wow i guess DRG should win this season since terran can't figured out ways to deal with the new queen buff yet.

DRG really distinguishes himself from all these whiny T/Z/P players. Even when Zs were dying left and right (including himself) he never complained about balance.


Terrans and Tosses have inherited the Kong line whereas DRG has inherited the Dong line. Thou shall take complete responsibility for all your losses and wins.

First time I saw him giving interview was at DH invitational and I remember him saying "Terran EZPZ". That was way before the many nerfs Terrans received since then. The guy has such a positive attitude toward the game and the balance, always trying to be better.

Completely different from MVP/Nestea/Genius, etc. (Though Genius' grumbling is normally not a serious one) Nestea/MVP are a different case, who definitely see the game as their source of income and are willing to voice their opinions which are obviously biased favorably for themselves. They want to be heard, of course. Especially by D. Kim. Think of Idra.

And now compare that to DRG/MKP's attitude. Maybe because it's due to their age but their balance comments are nowhere near as phony or intense as MVP/Nestea's. (Nestea's games in RO32 this season were underwhelming, to say the least)
crocodile
Profile Joined February 2011
United States615 Posts
June 14 2012 23:00 GMT
#257
On June 15 2012 07:58 mrjpark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2012 23:35 Gladiator333 wrote:
On June 14 2012 23:34 opterown wrote:
On June 14 2012 23:33 Poisonblack wrote:
the king of terran is also the king of whining.. unsurprisingly

mvp very rarely whines, doesn't he?


He used to not whine so much, but I think after he got his wrist problems since August he has started to whine more and more in interviews. At least that's my opinion.


He's always been whining. It was GomTvT, Protoss was struggling and Zerg seemed hopeless...and according to Mvp Terran needed buffs. Take his balance complaints with a grain of salt.

And ignore Genius. Protoss had a 65% win rate against Zerg, Terrans had started their slow decline, Zergs were struggling..and Genius was complaining that Protoss was UP and had no idea why everyone else, including his Protoss colleagues, was saying Protoss was strong.

These guys are pro gamers, they will (almost) always be biased for their own race. But if I learned anything in my life, it's that there is always a LITTLE BIT of truth in anything. It doesn't really matter what color the house is painted but the fact that it exists. So yeah, acknowledge that they said what they said. Think about it for yourself, don't take what they say at face value because they have their own agendas.

So basically what you're saying (as a Zerg player) is not to listen to these Terran and Protoss whiners complaining about Zerg imbalance, because everyone is biased to their own race?
Master League Terran. Huge fan of Quantic Gaming and ROOTDestiny
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-14 23:03:13
June 14 2012 23:02 GMT
#258
Haha, I see the norm of pro players saying their race is the weakest continues.

Either that, I and I hope this is the case, MVP is trolling, hard.

That said, enjoyable interviews - Genius has a sly sense of humour, IMO.
KT best KT ~ 2014
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
June 14 2012 23:03 GMT
#259
On June 15 2012 08:00 crocodile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 07:58 mrjpark wrote:
On June 14 2012 23:35 Gladiator333 wrote:
On June 14 2012 23:34 opterown wrote:
On June 14 2012 23:33 Poisonblack wrote:
the king of terran is also the king of whining.. unsurprisingly

mvp very rarely whines, doesn't he?


He used to not whine so much, but I think after he got his wrist problems since August he has started to whine more and more in interviews. At least that's my opinion.


He's always been whining. It was GomTvT, Protoss was struggling and Zerg seemed hopeless...and according to Mvp Terran needed buffs. Take his balance complaints with a grain of salt.

And ignore Genius. Protoss had a 65% win rate against Zerg, Terrans had started their slow decline, Zergs were struggling..and Genius was complaining that Protoss was UP and had no idea why everyone else, including his Protoss colleagues, was saying Protoss was strong.

These guys are pro gamers, they will (almost) always be biased for their own race. But if I learned anything in my life, it's that there is always a LITTLE BIT of truth in anything. It doesn't really matter what color the house is painted but the fact that it exists. So yeah, acknowledge that they said what they said. Think about it for yourself, don't take what they say at face value because they have their own agendas.

So basically what you're saying (as a Zerg player) is not to listen to these Terran and Protoss whiners complaining about Zerg imbalance, because everyone is biased to their own race?

What about when Stephano said PvZ is easy for Zerg? Or when DRG says he finds ZvT easy?

Then everyone was like 'Yeah, but that's STEPHANO/DRG, obviously they find it easy.'
mrjpark
Profile Joined March 2011
United States276 Posts
June 14 2012 23:06 GMT
#260
On June 15 2012 08:00 crocodile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 07:58 mrjpark wrote:
On June 14 2012 23:35 Gladiator333 wrote:
On June 14 2012 23:34 opterown wrote:
On June 14 2012 23:33 Poisonblack wrote:
the king of terran is also the king of whining.. unsurprisingly

mvp very rarely whines, doesn't he?


He used to not whine so much, but I think after he got his wrist problems since August he has started to whine more and more in interviews. At least that's my opinion.


He's always been whining. It was GomTvT, Protoss was struggling and Zerg seemed hopeless...and according to Mvp Terran needed buffs. Take his balance complaints with a grain of salt.

And ignore Genius. Protoss had a 65% win rate against Zerg, Terrans had started their slow decline, Zergs were struggling..and Genius was complaining that Protoss was UP and had no idea why everyone else, including his Protoss colleagues, was saying Protoss was strong.

These guys are pro gamers, they will (almost) always be biased for their own race. But if I learned anything in my life, it's that there is always a LITTLE BIT of truth in anything. It doesn't really matter what color the house is painted but the fact that it exists. So yeah, acknowledge that they said what they said. Think about it for yourself, don't take what they say at face value because they have their own agendas.

So basically what you're saying (as a Zerg player) is not to listen to these Terran and Protoss whiners complaining about Zerg imbalance, because everyone is biased to their own race?


Did you take the time to read what I said? I said there is most likely some truth to what they said, but know that they have most definitely spun the situation to their advantage. As long as you go in knowing these two people not only have a history of whining frivolously, but that they're pro gamers whose careers can thrive/fall with metagames/balance, there needs to be an understanding that everyone whines for their own races.

For those hailing DRG, he is guilty of it too. Yeah, he doesn't during professional interviews. And then he turns around, goes to Twitter, and says it's impossible to beat a Protoss who has good force fields and that the Zerg has to rely on a Protoss mistake in order to win. Does this sound familiar, but with different races?

Everyone has this knee jerk reaction to a pretty giant metagame shift that MAY OR MAY NOT have balance issues. I never said to IGNORE these guys. Jesus Christ, some of you guys are ridiculous and are willing to cherry pick anything that's said to continue the crying.
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IEM Beijing 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
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