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[Interview] 2012 GSL S3 CodeS Ro32 Group D Winners - Page 15

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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
June 15 2012 01:33 GMT
#281
Besides GSTL, TSL4 had their Korean qualifiers yesterday. Again, it is one tournament but it doesn't look good for Terrans in Korea at the moment. 2/16 in ro16 and 1/8 in Ro8. Zergs were 10/16 and 6/8.

Top players were missing from each race

Protoss : MC, Genius, HerO
Terrans : MVP, Taeja
Zergs : DRG, Nestea

Some results from Ro32/Ro16 - Annyeong 2-1 Jjajki, Miya 2-0 Maru, Byul 2-0 MKP. MMA, GKP, aLIve, Keen all did not make Ro32 so not sure who that lost to. So it seems terrans have to figure some counters.
Dumboprime
Profile Joined March 2011
985 Posts
June 15 2012 02:19 GMT
#282
wow cool, genius wants to come to foreign tournaments :D someone pick him up soon
artosismermaid
Profile Joined May 2011
213 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-15 02:43:19
June 15 2012 02:34 GMT
#283
the entire wings of liberty balance has been based on the fact that any foreigner who ever stood a chance against a korean has either been zerg or protoss. therefore in order for white guys to stand a chance and for anyone to care about e-sprots, they had to make these races good. Thorzain is one small exception, no other terran foreigner can consistently compete at a code s level. naniwa and huk would not be where they are today if it wasn't for the race they play. fact. Blizzard knows that nobody gives a shit about this game in korea and I bet they realized the foreigner fan base was the only hope. What better way to keep foreigner attention when korean's start to dominate. nerf the race that the best koreans play and buff the ones that the top foreigners were playing.

Clearly buffing queen's this much creates a spiral effect that not only improves zerg's early game but translates into an even better then it already was lategame. I have followed this scene since day one. I am no longer willing to play or follow a game that rewards which race you pick rather then skill.

User was temp banned for this post.
the_business_og
Profile Joined April 2012
United States167 Posts
June 15 2012 03:13 GMT
#284
conspiracy theory: blizzard management wanted the general public to get hyped for HOTS so they buffed zerg to get the lower level players to switch to Zerg and thus be more excited for HOTS
shanti
Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6120 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-15 04:16:37
June 15 2012 03:55 GMT
#285
The more I watch games the more I believe that MVP is correct.

I also agree with MKP that foreign Terrans aren't showing results because of the race they picked. I'm not saying it is impossible to win, but it's very hard to stay consistent.

I am not even a Terran player, so don't call me biased.
#1 Terran hater
Applesqt
Profile Joined May 2011
United States206 Posts
June 15 2012 04:09 GMT
#286
On June 15 2012 12:55 Highways wrote:
The more I watch games the more I believe that MVP is correct.

I also agree with MKP that foreign Terrans aren't showing results because of the race they picked. I'm not saying it is impossible to win, but it's very hard to stay consistent.

Where did he say that?
Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6120 Posts
June 15 2012 04:13 GMT
#287
On June 15 2012 13:09 Applesqt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 12:55 Highways wrote:
The more I watch games the more I believe that MVP is correct.

I also agree with MKP that foreign Terrans aren't showing results because of the race they picked. I'm not saying it is impossible to win, but it's very hard to stay consistent.

Where did he say that?


이정훈 ‏@MKPS2
@LiquidJinro other race >>>>>>>>>>> terran
#1 Terran hater
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4559 Posts
June 15 2012 04:20 GMT
#288
On June 15 2012 13:13 Highways wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 13:09 Applesqt wrote:
On June 15 2012 12:55 Highways wrote:
The more I watch games the more I believe that MVP is correct.

I also agree with MKP that foreign Terrans aren't showing results because of the race they picked. I'm not saying it is impossible to win, but it's very hard to stay consistent.

Where did he say that?


이정훈 ‏@MKPS2
@LiquidJinro other race >>>>>>>>>>> terran

Okay then how did you get what you said from this tweet?
hi. big fan.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
June 15 2012 04:22 GMT
#289
On June 15 2012 13:09 Applesqt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 12:55 Highways wrote:
The more I watch games the more I believe that MVP is correct.

I also agree with MKP that foreign Terrans aren't showing results because of the race they picked. I'm not saying it is impossible to win, but it's very hard to stay consistent.

Where did he say that?


heh even if mkp hadn't said that I agree with it. Terran requires more apm/multi tasking/micro then zerg/protoss. It's a lot harder to play terran at a high korean level due to having to do a lot of splitting, macro, micro and dropping. Terrans just harder to get super gosu with which koreans excell at multitasking/micro/macro and all that so yeah in general I do agree with mkp
When I think of something else, something will go here
SolidMoose
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1240 Posts
June 15 2012 04:49 GMT
#290
On June 15 2012 09:19 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Just last season, there were only 2 zergs in the Ro16. And zero in the Ro8. I find it difficult to believe that 2 months later, zerg is "too powerful."

MVP is an incredible player. But possibly full of shit.


So there was this patch. You might have heard of it...
Amlitzer
Profile Joined August 2010
United States471 Posts
June 15 2012 05:34 GMT
#291
Very eye opening interview from MVP, you can tell he is really saddened that he had to take out his teammate.
"Not even justice, I want to get truth!"
ImNightmare
Profile Joined May 2012
1575 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-15 06:11:53
June 15 2012 06:11 GMT
#292
This is getting ridiculous, a interview and the balance whine starts all over again. Goodness. First there was the gstl where zergs were crushing and people were saying zergs will crush GSL, what happens? Up till now only nestea goes through. Now there is a interview and it starts all over again. This is so funny, its like there are people around who live just to whine about balance.
brachester
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia1786 Posts
June 15 2012 07:10 GMT
#293
On June 15 2012 13:20 FataLe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 13:13 Highways wrote:
On June 15 2012 13:09 Applesqt wrote:
On June 15 2012 12:55 Highways wrote:
The more I watch games the more I believe that MVP is correct.

I also agree with MKP that foreign Terrans aren't showing results because of the race they picked. I'm not saying it is impossible to win, but it's very hard to stay consistent.

Where did he say that?


이정훈 ‏@MKPS2
@LiquidJinro other race >>>>>>>>>>> terran

Okay then how did you get what you said from this tweet?

interpretation my friend
I hate all this singing
Daniel C
Profile Joined October 2010
Hong Kong1606 Posts
June 15 2012 07:27 GMT
#294
MVP telling the truth like a BOUSE! Buff terran plz :D
In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not.
danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
June 15 2012 14:45 GMT
#295
Am I the only one that thinks the queen buff was good, but the overlord buff was way better??

I mean, if a race is "UP," you don't just give a single, non-combat (go with me here) support unit 2 extra range and make it all of a sudden drastically "OP." I get that small changes have big impacts, but c'mon.

There is a faster-than-ever-before overlord in the corner of a map somewhere - hiding in the shadows, smiling.
"Science has so well established that the preborn baby in the womb is a living human being that most pro-choice activists have conceded the point. ..since the abortion proponents have lost the science argument, they are now advocating an existential one."
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-15 14:57:04
June 15 2012 14:54 GMT
#296
On June 15 2012 09:19 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Just last season, there were only 2 zergs in the Ro16. And zero in the Ro8. I find it difficult to believe that 2 months later, zerg is "too powerful."

MVP is an incredible player. But possibly full of shit.


2 months and 1 patch later. AND DONT INSULT MY MVP YOU


On June 15 2012 10:16 Orracle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 09:28 neoghaleon55 wrote:
On June 15 2012 09:19 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Just last season, there were only 2 zergs in the Ro16. And zero in the Ro8. I find it difficult to believe that 2 months later, zerg is "too powerful."

MVP is an incredible player. But possibly full of shit.


I support this sentiment.
IMMVP was whining about balance since last year, when Terrans won almost every tournament.

There's no way to satisfy this guy!


Keep in mind, when Terran was dominating, Protoss and Zerg players played very differently. Protoss was known for 1-2 base play, and up until recently, never went for late game vs Terran.

Zergs have started implementing infestors into their play much more, and supporting their T3 with transfuses and simply dominating.

Ya, there were some issues with 1-1-1, and 2 rax, that got addressed. Now Terran wants Blizzard to address the problems we're having.

Lets not forget the nearly 30 game win streak Zerg achieved in the GSTL this season. Or the pros such as MKP, MVP, etc acknowledging the situation.


The time of 1-2 base timings were long, long ago. And infestors have been used for half a year now too. Zerg is dominating only since the patch.
ilovegroov | Blizzards mapmaker(s?) suck ass | #1 Protoss hater
teamhozac
Profile Joined April 2012
404 Posts
June 15 2012 16:34 GMT
#297
On June 15 2012 09:46 Diizzy wrote:
yay zerg gets better scouting and a range upgrade for queens and suddenly op. other races just need to learn to use their tier 3 units better.


lol what? This is exactly the argument I pointed out. "and suddenly op" No, it wasnt sudden, it has been this way for a long time and it just keeps getting worse. The only reason it does not seem that way is that some of the top pro Terrans are just so friggin good that they can still win. 99% of Terrans (at least the ones that still play) have been struggling in both non mirror match ups for a LOOOONG time. It hasnt been just one patch, its been about a dozen, coupled with larger maps, the metagame developing (figuring out terran timings, early aggression, etc) and several other factors that has made Terran all but impossible to play competitively unless you are a pro.
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
June 15 2012 16:37 GMT
#298
On June 15 2012 12:13 the_business_og wrote:
conspiracy theory: blizzard management wanted the general public to get hyped for HOTS so they buffed zerg to get the lower level players to switch to Zerg and thus be more excited for HOTS

You're giving them too much credit. At best, it's just game designers making rash/poor decisions, as they sometimes did with WoL.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
June 15 2012 16:40 GMT
#299
If MVP wins 10 seasons will they still call it the Nestea award? Will they name milestone awards after the first player to reach them? I think it would be both hilarious and kinda cool.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Severian
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia2052 Posts
June 15 2012 16:42 GMT
#300
On June 15 2012 10:33 vthree wrote:
Besides GSTL, TSL4 had their Korean qualifiers yesterday. Again, it is one tournament but it doesn't look good for Terrans in Korea at the moment. 2/16 in ro16 and 1/8 in Ro8. Zergs were 10/16 and 6/8.

Top players were missing from each race

Protoss : MC, Genius, HerO
Terrans : MVP, Taeja
Zergs : DRG, Nestea

Some results from Ro32/Ro16 - Annyeong 2-1 Jjajki, Miya 2-0 Maru, Byul 2-0 MKP. MMA, GKP, aLIve, Keen all did not make Ro32 so not sure who that lost to. So it seems terrans have to figure some counters.

DRG did play but lost in the first round to Sage. Apparently you can't win ZvP if you forget your Roach Warren.
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