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teamhozac
404 Posts
On June 16 2012 01:37 0neder wrote: You're giving them too much credit. At best, it's just game designers making rash/poor decisions, as they sometimes did with WoL. I think they put all three races on a wall and throw darts at them to decide balance changes | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On June 15 2012 12:13 the_business_og wrote: conspiracy theory: blizzard management wanted the general public to get hyped for HOTS so they buffed zerg to get the lower level players to switch to Zerg and thus be more excited for HOTS Balance doesn't mean anything for lower level players. | ||
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teamhozac
404 Posts
On June 16 2012 01:52 ZAiNs wrote: Balance doesn't mean anything for lower level players. Another dumb argument... if something is easier/harder for a race as a whole, it affects every player on every level, denying that is just stupidity. The only thing that might not affect lower level players is very micro intensive units that are nerfed/buffed because lower level players cannot micro them anyways, but I cant think of any situation where that comes into play in SC2 | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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AngryFarmer
United States560 Posts
On June 16 2012 02:52 Probe1 wrote: Heh, so you think they should balance the professional scene around how players in bronze-silver play? Man there's no good argument about what you're getting into. While that is true, there are wayyyy less pro players than low level players. They need to make it fun and playable for low level players or the game just wont exist. | ||
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
On June 16 2012 02:48 teamhozac wrote: Another dumb argument... if something is easier/harder for a race as a whole, it affects every player on every level, denying that is just stupidity. The only thing that might not affect lower level players is very micro intensive units that are nerfed/buffed because lower level players cannot micro them anyways, but I cant think of any situation where that comes into play in SC2 SaSe once said in an interview "Imbalance rarely effect the very best players in the game, but gives an advantage to the worse players" | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On June 16 2012 02:57 AngryFarmer wrote: While that is true, there are wayyyy less pro players than low level players. They need to make it fun and playable for low level players or the game just wont exist. the game will be playable for low level players pretty much no matter what, unless there's some absurdly overpowered all-in. i can beat silver players with my mouse and no strategy. it doesn't exactly take a lot of effort. | ||
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akaname
United Kingdom599 Posts
I want to find a team which can pay me a wage and guarantees my participation in overseas tournaments. This is the best part of Genius' interview for me, I can't wait to see him internationally (did he used to travel to tournaments prior to his dip and resurgence?) | ||
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Instigata
United States546 Posts
On June 15 2012 13:22 blade55555 wrote: heh even if mkp hadn't said that I agree with it. Terran requires more apm/multi tasking/micro then zerg/protoss. It's a lot harder to play terran at a high korean level due to having to do a lot of splitting, macro, micro and dropping. Terrans just harder to get super gosu with which koreans excell at multitasking/micro/macro and all that so yeah in general I do agree with mkp  I think it all comes down to practice time. The korean slave-like practice routine in BW were mandatory to show good results. Foreigners were invited to play BW but just about everybody but Idra found the conditions too demanding. So have have the foreign mindset changed for sc2? I don't think so, just the mechanics of sc2 allow pretty good results and deep runs randomly in tournaments without having to do the slave-like practice schedule. If you had to train slave-labor routine just to compete, I don't think you would see many foreigners on the scene. I think it is a big point to why there are no really good foreign Terrans but Thorzain. (my favorite) Some people drop other names but I always look at their results and see it was online, and they have no significant wins LAN-style if one if the foreign big 3 was there (Steph, Nan, Thor). If you made foreigners play 8 hours a day training, they would show good results with Terran. Until then, why waste so much time when you can do decently with z or p? I can't imagine the TL or EG house enforcing them to do 8 hours a day. I bet most foreigners play 4 hours semi-casually a day and just increase it before a tourney. | ||
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teamhozac
404 Posts
On June 16 2012 02:52 Probe1 wrote: Heh, so you think they should balance the professional scene around how players in bronze-silver play? Man there's no good argument about what you're getting into. And theres the typical response... do you guys even think before you type this recycled garbage? No, I don't think it should be balanced around bronze-silver. I think they should do their best to balance the game AT ALL LEVELS, from bronze to pro. That is what I want, I dont want one of 3 races to only be really effective once you get to GM, that makes for a bland game, where Terran becomes non existant on the ladder... Oh wait, thats pretty much already happened. Enjoy your ZvZ ZvP PvP | ||
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FreudianTrip
Switzerland1983 Posts
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koppik
United States676 Posts
On June 16 2012 03:26 FreudianTrip wrote: MVP ladders as random. He beat Terrans like Bomber and MKP as Zerg vs. Terran even before the Zerg buff. No idea about his Protoss, though.Terran Tears, so sweet. Go ladder with Protoss/Zerg if they're so imba instead of crying here. | ||
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teamhozac
404 Posts
On June 16 2012 03:31 koppik wrote: MVP ladders as random. He beat Terrans like Bomber and MKP as Zerg vs. Terran even before the Zerg buff. No idea about his Protoss, though. Dont bother feeding the trolls, they will never listen or respond with any sort of intelligence or knowledge in their reply | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On June 16 2012 03:31 koppik wrote: MVP ladders as random. He beat Terrans like Bomber and MKP as Zerg vs. Terran even before the Zerg buff. No idea about his Protoss, though. Even MC sometimes play Zerg to help his friends to practice for important matches. He did it with TheStC and the guy said MC's Zerg was like bettere than a lot of pro players who main Z. :< | ||
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BeholdOblivion
United States72 Posts
Edit: Also funny are the people with 0 GSL titles telling the guy with 4 GSL titles that he shouldn't "whine about balance." If he doesn't have the credentials to speak about balance, then who does? | ||
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mrjpark
United States276 Posts
On June 16 2012 03:31 koppik wrote: MVP ladders as random. He beat Terrans like Bomber and MKP as Zerg vs. Terran even before the Zerg buff. No idea about his Protoss, though. Mvp's ZvT was always known to be better than his TvZ. At one point (way back when Zerg was still meh), he considered switching from Terran to Zerg. | ||
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Aunvilgod
2653 Posts
On June 16 2012 03:26 FreudianTrip wrote: Terran Tears, so sweet. Go ladder with Protoss/Zerg if they're so imba instead of crying here. Who cares about ladder? This problem only exists only at the very top of the skill level. Below GM you probably won´t notice. | ||
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speknek
758 Posts
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coldnitess
United States57 Posts
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habeck
1120 Posts
On June 15 2012 09:19 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Just last season, there were only 2 zergs in the Ro16. And zero in the Ro8. I find it difficult to believe that 2 months later, zerg is "too powerful." MVP is an incredible player. But possibly full of shit. This dude should get banned for being such a fool. MAYBE BECAUSE THERE WAS A PATCH? Stop insulting best player in the world.. | ||
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