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Diavlo
Profile Joined July 2011
Belgium2915 Posts
June 14 2012 23:21 GMT
#261
On June 15 2012 08:00 crocodile wrote:
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On June 15 2012 07:58 mrjpark wrote:
On June 14 2012 23:35 Gladiator333 wrote:
On June 14 2012 23:34 opterown wrote:
On June 14 2012 23:33 Poisonblack wrote:
the king of terran is also the king of whining.. unsurprisingly

mvp very rarely whines, doesn't he?


He used to not whine so much, but I think after he got his wrist problems since August he has started to whine more and more in interviews. At least that's my opinion.


He's always been whining. It was GomTvT, Protoss was struggling and Zerg seemed hopeless...and according to Mvp Terran needed buffs. Take his balance complaints with a grain of salt.

And ignore Genius. Protoss had a 65% win rate against Zerg, Terrans had started their slow decline, Zergs were struggling..and Genius was complaining that Protoss was UP and had no idea why everyone else, including his Protoss colleagues, was saying Protoss was strong.

These guys are pro gamers, they will (almost) always be biased for their own race. But if I learned anything in my life, it's that there is always a LITTLE BIT of truth in anything. It doesn't really matter what color the house is painted but the fact that it exists. So yeah, acknowledge that they said what they said. Think about it for yourself, don't take what they say at face value because they have their own agendas.

So basically what you're saying (as a Zerg player) is not to listen to these Terran and Protoss whiners complaining about Zerg imbalance, because everyone is biased to their own race?

You should listen to the concerns of pros but you need to take what they say with a grain of salt, especially when they have complained in the past for absolutely no fucking reason that their race was too weak, neerfed too heavily,etc.

Also, Terran was nerfed the most since the beginning of the game and every time they found something new to take advantage off in TvZ (BFH, ghost, hellions-marauders timings,etc).
Maybe that won't/can't happen anymore, but we sure as hell need to make sure it doesn't before reverting back the changes, even if it's a the prize of letting terran be the weakest race for a while in a game they have dominated since day1.






"I don't know how many years on this Earth I got left. I'm gonna get real weird with it."
usethis2
Profile Joined December 2010
2164 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-14 23:33:51
June 14 2012 23:28 GMT
#262
On June 15 2012 08:06 mrjpark wrote:
For those hailing DRG, he is guilty of it too. Yeah, he doesn't during professional interviews. And then he turns around, goes to Twitter, and says it's impossible to beat a Protoss who has good force fields and that the Zerg has to rely on a Protoss mistake in order to win. Does this sound familiar, but with different races?

Since I was comparing DRG and the others, you are obviously referring to me as one of those who "hail DRG." Geez. No, I don't hail him. But I find MVP/Nestea's wild balance comments in these official settings pretty distatsteful and wish they were a bit more modest, especially considering their success. Twitts? Who gives a fuck? I am not a sheep following celebrities' twitts. Heck, I don't even have my own twitter account and I don't think anyone cares. Some might care, that's their thing, by which I mean their private lives. You (not YOU, mrjpark) want to be "friends" with a celebrities, good for you. No one stops you. But likewise no one will care. You cannot equate private acts with public acts.

Frankly the bigger fault lies with the interviewer, but obviously that's the nature of media. They need controversies to get the attention. This thread is an example.

Otherwise, I agree with you for the most part. I can see the balance of the game myself and I don't need these pros' biased opinions to form my own opinion. I also agree the knee-jerk reactions by community, provked by pros, are rather silly.
Spiner
Profile Joined February 2011
United States360 Posts
June 14 2012 23:28 GMT
#263
On June 15 2012 00:16 bittman wrote:
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On June 15 2012 00:12 ETisME wrote:
nerf inject?!
I certainly hope not all pros give such a ground breaking suggestions to balance lol


Would you rather he said "I think roaches should do 1 less damage"? The fact Genius even gave a suggestion is more than most pros just going "oh man nerf xyz" hehe.

Also: MVP zerg race change incoming. I'd love to see him enter OSL as a zerg, and win GSL with terran. Haha what a pipe dream, it's too legendary to think about.


Well, MVP already plays random on the ladder at GM level. So I would imagine the switch, if he were to ever change, would be rather easy for him.
ImNightmare
Profile Joined May 2012
1575 Posts
June 14 2012 23:33 GMT
#264
Nestea says he loses to MVP in recent games and MVP says he loses to Nestea in recent games? Lol, this 2 are playing the mindfuck games.
ImNightmare
Profile Joined May 2012
1575 Posts
June 14 2012 23:33 GMT
#265
And btw, I think you guys don't get genius and how his character is. He just trolled all of you who are taking him seriously LOL
usethis2
Profile Joined December 2010
2164 Posts
June 14 2012 23:35 GMT
#266
On June 15 2012 08:33 ImNightmare wrote:
Nestea says he loses to MVP in recent games and MVP says he loses to Nestea in recent games? Lol, this 2 are playing the mindfuck games.

Exactly. They are playing toward the mass sheep, hoping the sheep will follow their lead in forming false premises, which will benefit themselves.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
June 14 2012 23:36 GMT
#267
On June 15 2012 08:35 usethis2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 08:33 ImNightmare wrote:
Nestea says he loses to MVP in recent games and MVP says he loses to Nestea in recent games? Lol, this 2 are playing the mindfuck games.

Exactly. They are playing toward the mass sheep, hoping the sheep will follow their lead in forming false premises, which will benefit themselves.


you read into these interviews way too much, mvp and nestea are not evil masterminds out to destroy sc2 balance
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
June 14 2012 23:37 GMT
#268
On June 15 2012 08:35 usethis2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 08:33 ImNightmare wrote:
Nestea says he loses to MVP in recent games and MVP says he loses to Nestea in recent games? Lol, this 2 are playing the mindfuck games.

Exactly. They are playing toward the mass sheep, hoping the sheep will follow their lead in forming false premises, which will benefit themselves.

Lol yeah, okay. Feel free to name some pro Terrans who are coming out saying TvZ is going well for them, because I've yet to see that happen. All I've seen is a LOT of dissent--both pro and amateur--about the Queen buff. Nobody would be saying anything if it were just MVP complaining, but it isn't. Every Terran is finding it incredibly difficult to win against Zerg, more so than with any other change previous.
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
June 14 2012 23:37 GMT
#269
Is there a foreign team that actually needs a Protoss? Most are pretty toss heavy.
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
June 15 2012 00:19 GMT
#270
Just last season, there were only 2 zergs in the Ro16. And zero in the Ro8. I find it difficult to believe that 2 months later, zerg is "too powerful."

MVP is an incredible player. But possibly full of shit.
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Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-15 00:21:01
June 15 2012 00:20 GMT
#271
On June 15 2012 09:19 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Just last season, there were only 2 zergs in the Ro16. And zero in the Ro8. I find it difficult to believe that 2 months later, zerg is "too powerful."

MVP is an incredible player. But possibly full of shit.

Maybe it has to do with the fact that Nestea/DRG were jet-lagged and both played HORRIBLY. It wasn't that there was a huge patch that everyone agrees screwed everything up...
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
June 15 2012 00:28 GMT
#272
On June 15 2012 09:19 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Just last season, there were only 2 zergs in the Ro16. And zero in the Ro8. I find it difficult to believe that 2 months later, zerg is "too powerful."

MVP is an incredible player. But possibly full of shit.


I support this sentiment.
IMMVP was whining about balance since last year, when Terrans won almost every tournament.

There's no way to satisfy this guy!
moo...for DRG
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-15 00:39:44
June 15 2012 00:34 GMT
#273
On June 15 2012 09:19 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Just last season, there were only 2 zergs in the Ro16. And zero in the Ro8. I find it difficult to believe that 2 months later, zerg is "too powerful."

MVP is an incredible player. But possibly full of shit.

not like a patch hit since then or anything. We didn't see a top 3 zerg at mlg spring arena 2, or a zerg win mlg spring championships since then. and zerg didn't have the most players qualify for code a either. DRG and Idra didn't say Zerg was favorite in ZvT now. And GSTL isn't being dominated by zerg players.

Wait a minute, all those things did happen!
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TheAngelofDeath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2033 Posts
June 15 2012 00:36 GMT
#274
Nerf inject? Is genius an idiot? Lol. Of course he wants to join a foreign team...foreign teams have all the money. Thanks for the translation <3
"Infestors are the suck" - LzGamer
teamhozac
Profile Joined April 2012
404 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-15 00:43:21
June 15 2012 00:39 GMT
#275
On June 15 2012 09:34 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 09:19 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Just last season, there were only 2 zergs in the Ro16. And zero in the Ro8. I find it difficult to believe that 2 months later, zerg is "too powerful."

MVP is an incredible player. But possibly full of shit.

not like a patch hit since then or anything. We didn't see a top 3 at mlg spring arena 2, or a zerg win mlg spring championships since then. and zerg didn't have the most players qualify for code a either. DRG and Idra didn't say Zerg was favorite in ZvT now. And GSTL isn't being dominated by zerg players.

Wait a minute, all those things did happen!


Big time win right there, good post... players have been using that excuse for so long, about Terran just dominating EVERYTHING, and now that P and Z make up about 80% of ladder and tourneys theyre still trying to justify all the nerfs, the larger maps, the unnecessary buffs, because once upon a time, Terran might have been/was overpowered and dominating. Obviously, Terran used to dominate, so keep nerfing them, its P and Z time to completely own everything... sound strategy.
Diizzy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States828 Posts
June 15 2012 00:46 GMT
#276
yay zerg gets better scouting and a range upgrade for queens and suddenly op. other races just need to learn to use their tier 3 units better.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
June 15 2012 00:49 GMT
#277
On June 15 2012 08:36 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 08:35 usethis2 wrote:
On June 15 2012 08:33 ImNightmare wrote:
Nestea says he loses to MVP in recent games and MVP says he loses to Nestea in recent games? Lol, this 2 are playing the mindfuck games.

Exactly. They are playing toward the mass sheep, hoping the sheep will follow their lead in forming false premises, which will benefit themselves.


you read into these interviews way too much, mvp and nestea are not evil masterminds out to destroy sc2 balance


I don't know.. They sure have the look to be evil masterminds. :p
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
June 15 2012 00:52 GMT
#278
On June 15 2012 09:46 Diizzy wrote:
yay zerg gets better scouting and a range upgrade for queens and suddenly op. other races just need to learn to use their tier 3 units better.

I'm not sure what T3 units you want Terran players to use, and I'm not even Terran...
Spiner
Profile Joined February 2011
United States360 Posts
June 15 2012 00:55 GMT
#279
On June 15 2012 02:36 neoghaleon55 wrote:
Immvp is so whiny. The nerves he has for balance whining at the peak of terran dominance in that artosis interview leaves him with little credibility now.


Its not whining its an observation. Just because his opinion isn't that everything is all fine and dandy and the game is 100% balanced doesn't mean hes "whining". By your logic any negative criticism about anything would be whining
Orracle
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States314 Posts
June 15 2012 01:16 GMT
#280
On June 15 2012 09:28 neoghaleon55 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 09:19 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Just last season, there were only 2 zergs in the Ro16. And zero in the Ro8. I find it difficult to believe that 2 months later, zerg is "too powerful."

MVP is an incredible player. But possibly full of shit.


I support this sentiment.
IMMVP was whining about balance since last year, when Terrans won almost every tournament.

There's no way to satisfy this guy!


Keep in mind, when Terran was dominating, Protoss and Zerg players played very differently. Protoss was known for 1-2 base play, and up until recently, never went for late game vs Terran.

Zergs have started implementing infestors into their play much more, and supporting their T3 with transfuses and simply dominating.

Ya, there were some issues with 1-1-1, and 2 rax, that got addressed. Now Terran wants Blizzard to address the problems we're having.

Lets not forget the nearly 30 game win streak Zerg achieved in the GSTL this season. Or the pros such as MKP, MVP, etc acknowledging the situation.
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