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Stanlot
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5742 Posts
June 14 2012 20:55 GMT
#221
More Genius in foreign tournaments!
MC: "Sentry Forcefield Forcefield Marauder... cage Marauder die die"
1A1A1A
Profile Joined June 2012
Belize20 Posts
June 14 2012 20:55 GMT
#222
On June 15 2012 05:44 the_business_og wrote:
to all the people that say mvp is whining: he is much much better than you in all three races. If you watch his games vs sushohin you can see the mind games he plays with him. MVP is not only themost sucessful sc2 player but also, one who clearly thinks about the game.Theres no motive for him to whine when he won.


He might be feeling partially responsible for some of terran nerfs. I don't think he should be.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
June 14 2012 20:58 GMT
#223
On June 15 2012 05:55 1A1A1A wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 05:44 the_business_og wrote:
to all the people that say mvp is whining: he is much much better than you in all three races. If you watch his games vs sushohin you can see the mind games he plays with him. MVP is not only themost sucessful sc2 player but also, one who clearly thinks about the game.Theres no motive for him to whine when he won.


He might be feeling partially responsible for some of terran nerfs. I don't think he should be.


He's like 90% of the reasons behind the Ghost nerf tho. <<
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
zerious
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3803 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-14 21:00:07
June 14 2012 20:59 GMT
#224
On June 15 2012 05:58 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 05:55 1A1A1A wrote:
On June 15 2012 05:44 the_business_og wrote:
to all the people that say mvp is whining: he is much much better than you in all three races. If you watch his games vs sushohin you can see the mind games he plays with him. MVP is not only themost sucessful sc2 player but also, one who clearly thinks about the game.Theres no motive for him to whine when he won.


He might be feeling partially responsible for some of terran nerfs. I don't think he should be.


He's like 90% of the reasons behind the Ghost nerf tho. <<


bru frame too. his tvt was become too imba
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
June 14 2012 21:02 GMT
#225
On June 15 2012 05:59 zerious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 05:58 Noocta wrote:
On June 15 2012 05:55 1A1A1A wrote:
On June 15 2012 05:44 the_business_og wrote:
to all the people that say mvp is whining: he is much much better than you in all three races. If you watch his games vs sushohin you can see the mind games he plays with him. MVP is not only themost sucessful sc2 player but also, one who clearly thinks about the game.Theres no motive for him to whine when he won.


He might be feeling partially responsible for some of terran nerfs. I don't think he should be.


He's like 90% of the reasons behind the Ghost nerf tho. <<


bru frame too. his tvt was become too imba

Blue flame was mostly the fault of Slayers, especially during MLG Columbus. If people on these boards think the Terran whining right now is bad, they don't remember the era of blue flame.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-14 21:07:25
June 14 2012 21:05 GMT
#226
Damn this thread has a lot of responses for a GSL interview thread, Mvp is a popular guy.

Anyway, Mvp has played random on ladder since forever. I'm sure he knows what's OP and what's not, but that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with this interview. Interviewers need to stop asking balance related questions if you don't want to hear about it.
Andreas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Norway214 Posts
June 14 2012 21:07 GMT
#227
Nice to see Mvp sharing my opinions on the current game balance.
Dalavita
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1113 Posts
June 14 2012 21:10 GMT
#228
On June 15 2012 02:18 usethis2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 00:52 FakeDeath wrote:
Wow i guess DRG should win this season since terran can't figured out ways to deal with the new queen buff yet.

DRG really distinguishes himself from all these whiny T/Z/P players. Even when Zs were dying left and right (including himself) he never complained about balance.


Because zerg players were bad, and it had nothing to do with balance.

On June 15 2012 02:05 Fragile51 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 00:39 Diavlo wrote:
On June 15 2012 00:29 Bagration wrote:
It's definitely an indicator that something may be off when the world's best player is complaining about balance... :|

Congrats MVP and Genius




April 2011 before blue flamme, ghost, thor nerfs,etc
Terran is the weakest race...


Haha, i remember that one...Lets be serious here people, nestea will probably say that zerg is the weakest race too. It's in those korean progamers nature to feel like they are doing badly and something is holding them back, its what makes them strive to do better.


MVP said that since GSL had just switched from the small ish maps like Xel Naga caverns to the massive maps like Tal'Darim altar and the space Tal'Darim altar one (forgot the name), and all of the terrans timing attacks had been affected by this. New things were eventually figured out by terrans as is the norm, and were nerfed, as is also the norm.
DaveVAH
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada162 Posts
June 14 2012 21:11 GMT
#229
Tell that to Dustin browder MvP, the guy seems so out of loop about the matchups from his MLG interviews.
0kz
Profile Joined January 2010
Italy1118 Posts
June 14 2012 21:12 GMT
#230
I like the golden keyboard ahahaha. and damn Im really curious for whos going to pick Genius :D thanks for the interviews
noddy
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom927 Posts
June 14 2012 21:14 GMT
#231
On June 15 2012 04:48 neoghaleon55 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 04:45 Shiori wrote:
On June 15 2012 04:36 FakeDeath wrote:
On June 15 2012 03:52 Shiori wrote:
On June 15 2012 03:44 babysimba wrote:
There's nothing wrong with saying one cannot lose if he plays perfectly. If flash can't lose when he plays perfectly, does it mean terran is imbalanced? Even JD has said sc2 zerg has a high enough skill cap mechanically for him to outshine other zergs. Take their opinions with a grain of salt. They might be boasting, whining, playing mind games, or just entertaining their fans.

Nobody said "perfectly." DRG said it didn't matter if any other player played well against him as long as he played well. So what, when two players both play well, the Zerg gets an easy win? I know Zerg players like to pretend DRG is on a level above Code S, but he isn't. He's a talented player, yes, but there are plenty of them, many of whom are definitely on the same level as DRG.


Tell me which zerg is on DRG level?
DRG is the best zerg NOW.The guy got a freaking average 450 EAPM.
I could even say he is the strongest player in terms of mechanic and speed.

Anyways, TvZ match-up is favoring the zerg currently.

OMG Please don't take DRG words so literally.
He was just confident that he could beat anybody in MLG after beating MKP in the winners final.

...I'm talking about the fact that there are players of other races who have the same skill level as DRG.


It's hard to compare across races.
And you have absolutely no facts backing your argument.
In addition, I have yet to see any Terran or Protoss hit 600 EPM as everyone did during last weekend's MLG.



High EAPM doesn't make you the better player.

Jesus, people on TL need to stop having an orgasm over high APM. It doesn't matter that much.
MonDeW
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark369 Posts
June 14 2012 21:15 GMT
#232
MVP has the sickest Attitude. Fighting!
zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-14 21:17:43
June 14 2012 21:16 GMT
#233
On June 15 2012 06:14 noddy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 04:48 neoghaleon55 wrote:
On June 15 2012 04:45 Shiori wrote:
On June 15 2012 04:36 FakeDeath wrote:
On June 15 2012 03:52 Shiori wrote:
On June 15 2012 03:44 babysimba wrote:
There's nothing wrong with saying one cannot lose if he plays perfectly. If flash can't lose when he plays perfectly, does it mean terran is imbalanced? Even JD has said sc2 zerg has a high enough skill cap mechanically for him to outshine other zergs. Take their opinions with a grain of salt. They might be boasting, whining, playing mind games, or just entertaining their fans.

Nobody said "perfectly." DRG said it didn't matter if any other player played well against him as long as he played well. So what, when two players both play well, the Zerg gets an easy win? I know Zerg players like to pretend DRG is on a level above Code S, but he isn't. He's a talented player, yes, but there are plenty of them, many of whom are definitely on the same level as DRG.


Tell me which zerg is on DRG level?
DRG is the best zerg NOW.The guy got a freaking average 450 EAPM.
I could even say he is the strongest player in terms of mechanic and speed.

Anyways, TvZ match-up is favoring the zerg currently.

OMG Please don't take DRG words so literally.
He was just confident that he could beat anybody in MLG after beating MKP in the winners final.

...I'm talking about the fact that there are players of other races who have the same skill level as DRG.


It's hard to compare across races.
And you have absolutely no facts backing your argument.
In addition, I have yet to see any Terran or Protoss hit 600 EPM as everyone did during last weekend's MLG.



High EAPM doesn't make you the better player.

Jesus, people on TL need to stop having an orgasm over high APM. It doesn't matter that much.


But Flash is/was the fastest player in BW, that's why he is a god.
/sarcasm
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-14 21:17:30
June 14 2012 21:17 GMT
#234
On June 15 2012 06:16 zezamer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 06:14 noddy wrote:
On June 15 2012 04:48 neoghaleon55 wrote:
On June 15 2012 04:45 Shiori wrote:
On June 15 2012 04:36 FakeDeath wrote:
On June 15 2012 03:52 Shiori wrote:
On June 15 2012 03:44 babysimba wrote:
There's nothing wrong with saying one cannot lose if he plays perfectly. If flash can't lose when he plays perfectly, does it mean terran is imbalanced? Even JD has said sc2 zerg has a high enough skill cap mechanically for him to outshine other zergs. Take their opinions with a grain of salt. They might be boasting, whining, playing mind games, or just entertaining their fans.

Nobody said "perfectly." DRG said it didn't matter if any other player played well against him as long as he played well. So what, when two players both play well, the Zerg gets an easy win? I know Zerg players like to pretend DRG is on a level above Code S, but he isn't. He's a talented player, yes, but there are plenty of them, many of whom are definitely on the same level as DRG.


Tell me which zerg is on DRG level?
DRG is the best zerg NOW.The guy got a freaking average 450 EAPM.
I could even say he is the strongest player in terms of mechanic and speed.

Anyways, TvZ match-up is favoring the zerg currently.

OMG Please don't take DRG words so literally.
He was just confident that he could beat anybody in MLG after beating MKP in the winners final.

...I'm talking about the fact that there are players of other races who have the same skill level as DRG.


It's hard to compare across races.
And you have absolutely no facts backing your argument.
In addition, I have yet to see any Terran or Protoss hit 600 EPM as everyone did during last weekend's MLG.



High EAPM doesn't make you the better player.

Jesus, people on TL need to stop having an orgasm over high APM. It doesn't matter that much.


But Flash is/was the fastest player in BW, that's why he is a god.


You are terribly misinformed, or joking :o

ninja'd by the edit
zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-14 21:18:14
June 14 2012 21:18 GMT
#235
On June 15 2012 06:17 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 06:16 zezamer wrote:
On June 15 2012 06:14 noddy wrote:
On June 15 2012 04:48 neoghaleon55 wrote:
On June 15 2012 04:45 Shiori wrote:
On June 15 2012 04:36 FakeDeath wrote:
On June 15 2012 03:52 Shiori wrote:
On June 15 2012 03:44 babysimba wrote:
There's nothing wrong with saying one cannot lose if he plays perfectly. If flash can't lose when he plays perfectly, does it mean terran is imbalanced? Even JD has said sc2 zerg has a high enough skill cap mechanically for him to outshine other zergs. Take their opinions with a grain of salt. They might be boasting, whining, playing mind games, or just entertaining their fans.

Nobody said "perfectly." DRG said it didn't matter if any other player played well against him as long as he played well. So what, when two players both play well, the Zerg gets an easy win? I know Zerg players like to pretend DRG is on a level above Code S, but he isn't. He's a talented player, yes, but there are plenty of them, many of whom are definitely on the same level as DRG.


Tell me which zerg is on DRG level?
DRG is the best zerg NOW.The guy got a freaking average 450 EAPM.
I could even say he is the strongest player in terms of mechanic and speed.

Anyways, TvZ match-up is favoring the zerg currently.

OMG Please don't take DRG words so literally.
He was just confident that he could beat anybody in MLG after beating MKP in the winners final.

...I'm talking about the fact that there are players of other races who have the same skill level as DRG.


It's hard to compare across races.
And you have absolutely no facts backing your argument.
In addition, I have yet to see any Terran or Protoss hit 600 EPM as everyone did during last weekend's MLG.



High EAPM doesn't make you the better player.

Jesus, people on TL need to stop having an orgasm over high APM. It doesn't matter that much.


But Flash is/was the fastest player in BW, that's why he is a god.


You are terribly misinformed, or joking :o

ninja'd by the edit


sorry
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
June 14 2012 21:20 GMT
#236
On June 15 2012 06:02 forsooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 05:59 zerious wrote:
On June 15 2012 05:58 Noocta wrote:
On June 15 2012 05:55 1A1A1A wrote:
On June 15 2012 05:44 the_business_og wrote:
to all the people that say mvp is whining: he is much much better than you in all three races. If you watch his games vs sushohin you can see the mind games he plays with him. MVP is not only themost sucessful sc2 player but also, one who clearly thinks about the game.Theres no motive for him to whine when he won.


He might be feeling partially responsible for some of terran nerfs. I don't think he should be.


He's like 90% of the reasons behind the Ghost nerf tho. <<


bru frame too. his tvt was become too imba

Blue flame was mostly the fault of Slayers, especially during MLG Columbus. If people on these boards think the Terran whining right now is bad, they don't remember the era of blue flame.

Sometimes it makes you wonder, if Zerg players at that time play early game safe like they do right now, do we really need that nerf. At that time, zerg players played so greedy, no early spine, no roaches, 2,3 queen max,.v..v.v. The metagame was so different.
Stormiii
Profile Joined May 2012
Finland239 Posts
June 14 2012 21:24 GMT
#237

Nobody said "perfectly." DRG said it didn't matter if any other player played well against him as long as he played well. So what, when two players both play well, the Zerg gets an easy win? I know Zerg players like to pretend DRG is on a level above Code S, but he isn't. He's a talented player, yes, but there are plenty of them, many of whom are definitely on the same level as DRG.

Tell me which zerg is on DRG level?
DRG is the best zerg NOW.The guy got a freaking average 450 EAPM.
I could even say he is the strongest player in terms of mechanic and speed.

Anyways, TvZ match-up is favoring the zerg currently.

OMG Please don't take DRG words so literally.
He was just confident that he could beat anybody in MLG after beating MKP in the winners final.

You do realize that he got 450 eapm because he spams attack move which is 600-700 eapm. I as protoss think too that terran is way too weak that this point considering we've seen alive,mkp and others get wiped on the floor with other races.
fraktoasters
Profile Joined January 2011
United States617 Posts
June 14 2012 21:25 GMT
#238
On June 15 2012 05:27 Aunvilgod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 04:36 FakeDeath wrote:
On June 15 2012 03:52 Shiori wrote:
On June 15 2012 03:44 babysimba wrote:
There's nothing wrong with saying one cannot lose if he plays perfectly. If flash can't lose when he plays perfectly, does it mean terran is imbalanced? Even JD has said sc2 zerg has a high enough skill cap mechanically for him to outshine other zergs. Take their opinions with a grain of salt. They might be boasting, whining, playing mind games, or just entertaining their fans.

Nobody said "perfectly." DRG said it didn't matter if any other player played well against him as long as he played well. So what, when two players both play well, the Zerg gets an easy win? I know Zerg players like to pretend DRG is on a level above Code S, but he isn't. He's a talented player, yes, but there are plenty of them, many of whom are definitely on the same level as DRG.


Tell me which zerg is on DRG level?
DRG is the best zerg NOW.The guy got a freaking average 450 EAPM.
I could even say he is the strongest player in terms of mechanic and speed.

Anyways, TvZ match-up is favoring the zerg currently.

OMG Please don't take DRG words so literally.
He was just confident that he could beat anybody in MLG after beating MKP in the winners final.


APM doesn´t mean shit. You really don´t need that much for SCII atm. Also, even if DRG is the best player in the world, the fact that he will win no matter what if he plays his best is not how the state game should be.


So the best player in the world playing his best should lose.
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
June 14 2012 21:26 GMT
#239
Glad MVP once again was able to advance, he is such a boss. I wonder if his wrists are finally healed, didn't hear him mention them in quite a while.
Also, as usual thanks storywriter <3
Get off my lawn, young punks
avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
June 14 2012 21:50 GMT
#240
Expecting that they revert the queen change very soon.
Sup
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