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Destructicon
4713 Posts
It actually is hard, you have to micro precisely to not lose too many marines and SCVs and keep the bunker alive long enough to make it work, and if it fails you fall almost insurmountably behind. If you want to blame someone blame Squirtle for hardcore botching it by losing some key units and moving out when he didn't need to. Not saying its not hard for the protoss, it probably is, but don't come in here and make it sound like the 2 rax is an auto-win. | ||
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jobber123rd
United States501 Posts
On June 14 2012 23:59 takingbackoj wrote: Genius and IdrA CJ Entus connection... Just saying. Also where is everyone getting this Zerg doing exceptionally well lately thing from? DRG won MLG but the last GSL were no zergs in the top 8. Symbol gets knocked out of MLG early and again only 1 zerg in the top 8. Where's this coming from? Not saying they arent doing well but I don't think its head over heels better than the other two races. The Zergs fell out of GSL Season 2 before the patch. Some things that have happened since the patch: GSTL Season 2 Round 1: Of the eight matches played, there were three in which Zerg won every game (ZeNEX vs. TL, TSL vs. Fnatic, and IM-SK vs. TSL), and another in which Zerg won 4 of 5 non-mirror matchups (Fnatic vs. IM-SK). In the second week/group, Zerg had a non-mirror record of 13-1. The ZvT winrate for the season is currently 100%. MLG Spring Arena 2: Zerg sweept the top three. GSL Season 3 Preliminaries: Of the 21 qualifiers for Code A, the race distribution was 7P/4T/10Z. MLG Spring Championship: DRG won, Stephano took 5th/6th (so two in the top eight, not one), and there were three other Zergs in the top 12. (One of those was Symbol; perhaps his exit was earlier than expected given his recent form, but Ro12 in a 160-player tournament is hardly "early" in general.) There was only one Zerg who qualified for Pool Play from the Open Bracket (Golden), but six of the eight survivors of the Open Loser's Bracket were Zergs. They've been doing well recently. I won't argue over whether or not it's an "exceptional" level, though. | ||
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AsymptoticClimax
United Kingdom249 Posts
oh god no. noooo | ||
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dgwow
Canada1024 Posts
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
Well guys, we have our winner! | ||
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
On June 15 2012 03:14 Destructicon wrote: You have no idea what MVP has been trough, if he said he couldn't win any game vs Zerg and couldn't do anything, then you better believe he couldn't do anything. And you know a lot of pro gamers off race form time to time to gain insight on the other race, and fish for ideas on how to counter a particular thing, if Mvp played Zerg and could defend any early aggression with a 6 queen build then that is pretty damning. If out of all the terrans that MVP meet on ladder if no one could find a pressure or all-in build to kill or challenge his 6 queen build, then it is quite worrisome. I find this funny actually. MVP:Lately my TvZ are only at 30% or so and i haven't won a single game against Nestea recently Nestea:When IM team members practice against each other, the Terrans win most of the time. Please MVP was whining when he said there is nothing terran can do against zerg. | ||
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
On June 15 2012 03:16 lannisport wrote: Terrans and Tosses have inherited the Kong line whereas DRG has inherited the Dong line. Thou shall take complete responsibility for all your losses and wins. except DRG has said at least on two seperate accounts that Protoss was overpowered, and has made the biggest 'balance statement' of any pros saying that he can't lose if he plays well, even if his opponent plays perfectly. mvp is saying the same thing, he just seems to think that way about tvp and tvz...But as i said ealier, i think his interviews are half-truths. He lies and mind-games the shit out of people. Thats why MVP is the king edit: 1. He says he planned on being third, yet him and happy seemed to have planned the win's losses and that would have left MVP in first. 2. Says he never beats zerg. Nestea comes in and says he loses to IM terrans. | ||
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
On June 15 2012 03:22 ohampatu wrote: except DRG has said at least on two seperate accounts that Protoss was overpowered, and has made the biggest 'balance statement' of any pros saying that he can't lose if he plays well, even if his opponent plays perfectly. mvp is saying the same thing, he just seems to think that way about tvp and tvz...But as i said ealier, i think his interviews are half-truths. He lies and mind-games the shit out of people. Thats why MVP is the king Exactly this. I said in my previous post he is the king of mindgames. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On June 15 2012 03:16 phiinix wrote: MVP interviews make me depressed. He's suppose to tell all the terrans that the race is fine and the zergs and protosses are just playing really well lately ): Don't worry, Flash will definitely replace him soon. He is more imba. ^^ | ||
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Bam Lee
2336 Posts
Do you seriously want to say that everything MVP is saying is just stupid whining? I mean you guys arent even playing close to his level and if he says its damn hard with the current terran builds to play against the other races then you better dont doubt him. He says on EQUAL skill it is really hard and if the opponent doesnt do any mistakes. And it kinda fits to what DRG said in his MLG interview where he said that he wouldnt lose to terran unless he screwed up | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
On June 15 2012 03:22 ohampatu wrote: except DRG has said at least on two seperate accounts that Protoss was overpowered, and has made the biggest 'balance statement' of any pros saying that he can't lose if he plays well, even if his opponent plays perfectly. DongRaeGu is an outlier go find me someone else with 600 EPM and we'll talk. | ||
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
On June 15 2012 03:23 FakeDeath wrote: Exactly this. I said in my previous post he is the king of mindgames. Yea i saw that post, it makes perfect sense though. You can see things contradicting themselves from interview to interview. I think half of his game is to make the opponents think he is having it 'rougher' than he is. 'Sowing some doubt' as they would put it. Then he goes on to explain how he was supposed to be third, yet seems to indicate that happy and him planned on being first and second. Last GSL finals. Even after he cheesed sooooo many times. HIs interview he would be like 'macro games were planned, i dont plan on allining next series, i just saw a quick way to win'. The next game comes along, bam, 'all-in'. He plays to win. He does it very well. He is a champion, through and through. | ||
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AsymptoticClimax
United Kingdom249 Posts
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
On June 15 2012 03:32 AsymptoticClimax wrote: Genius is joining liquid guys. He's practasing with taeja, liquid needs a strong korean protoss and the liquid rising documentry aligns nicely with his team retirement where they're announcing the recruit. no soulkey in your sig  | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
On June 15 2012 03:34 vthree wrote: Lol, so when MVP answers a specific question in an interview, it is a whine. But when MKP, DRG does it on twitter without anyone asking them, they shouldn't be taken seriously? Nice double standard... The people complaining, are complaining about all the pros. Nobody is being picky/choosy. i see bashing on mvp/genius/nestea/drg...no double standards, the people bashing are at least encompassing all the pros its the interviewers fault, as many have said stop asking questions that revolve around balance | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
On June 15 2012 03:38 vthree wrote: No, people are saying MKP and DRG NEVER whine. And when shown evidence, they claim 'oh, it's twitter and they are joking around'. a few people defended mkp and drg, but that happens because they have such large fanbase, that wasn't the majority in this thread reading the whole thread though shows that what I said above is true. Nobody is really cherrypicking apart from 1 or 2 users. The people complaining about balance whiners are emcompassing all pros, at least the ones who aren't trolling. You have to learn to ignore that. Not 'yell' at the whole thread when your just disagreeing with like 2 people in total. to calm you down, realize most of us know that all the big time pros are guilty of balance complaints. Some may be more severe than others, but they all do it | ||
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babysimba
10466 Posts
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On June 15 2012 03:44 babysimba wrote: There's nothing wrong with saying one cannot lose if he plays perfectly. If flash can't lose when he plays perfectly, does it mean terran is imbalanced? Even JD has said sc2 zerg has a high enough skill cap mechanically for him to outshine other zergs. Take their opinions with a grain of salt. They might be boasting, whining, playing mind games, or just entertaining their fans. Nobody said "perfectly." DRG said it didn't matter if any other player played well against him as long as he played well. So what, when two players both play well, the Zerg gets an easy win? I know Zerg players like to pretend DRG is on a level above Code S, but he isn't. He's a talented player, yes, but there are plenty of them, many of whom are definitely on the same level as DRG. | ||
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