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On June 15 2012 03:01 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 02:54 namste wrote:
I couldn't detect any _whine_ in the Mvp interview, he just stated that terran is having hard time right now as a race in general. I think the word whine has lost the little meaning it ever had. What interview did you read? Show nested quote +Why were you going for third place?
I picked a Zerg but since the finals, I hadn't played a single TvZ. So I had no idea how strong Zerg was in the current metagame. I did really badly against Zerg in practice so I couldn’t be certain about winning. I came to the studio thinking that I should avoid straight losses at least.
Lately, there is talk of Zerg being OP.
There’s a reason I aimed only for third place. Lately, my win rate for TvZ and TvP are only at 30% or so. The only reason a Zerg or Protoss loses in a broadcasted match is because they don’t play their best. Unless those races make a mistake, it’s really hard for Terran to win. Until we come up with something new, it’ll continue to be hard for Terrans.
Back when Toss was the OP race, Terran could at least deal with it. But now, there is nothing we can do against Zerg. If you have two players of equal skill, the Terran cannot beat the Zerg.
How do you think it will be for you to take on a top level Zerg?
I haven’t won a single game against Nestea lately. Unless I come up with a new strategy or build, it’ll stay like that. The Terran race needs a revolutionist.
Before the match, you said that the six queen build is very strong
I tried playing Zerg on the ladder and met a lot of barcode Terrans. All those Terrans opted for an all-in build. I defended all of those all-ins with the six queen build. Unless, it’s a super early marine/scv cheese rush, six queens can hold anything.
He didn't whine in any of those lines? He just stated that he and other terrans are having a lot of difficulties against other races at the moment and that the Terran race needs a revolutionist who solves the match-ups. Not at any point he whine about the game balance itself, just the metagame needs a solution from Terran players. To me he seems to be talking about the balance in metagame, which currently favors Zerg and Protoss more than Terran, rather than actual game imbalance.
I myself am a Terran player and I'm actually surprised that he didn't call out to Blizzard to do something about the current situation. Shows how smart this guy really is. Huge respect!
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some parts of the interview with MVP really surprised me tbh
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Glad it's not just me that can't win vs. Zergs TT
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On June 15 2012 03:52 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 03:44 babysimba wrote:
There's nothing wrong with saying one cannot lose if he plays perfectly. If flash can't lose when he plays perfectly, does it mean terran is imbalanced? Even JD has said sc2 zerg has a high enough skill cap mechanically for him to outshine other zergs. Take their opinions with a grain of salt. They might be boasting, whining, playing mind games, or just entertaining their fans. Nobody said "perfectly." DRG said it didn't matter if any other player played well against him as long as he played well. So what, when two players both play well, the Zerg gets an easy win? I know Zerg players like to pretend DRG is on a level above Code S, but he isn't. He's a talented player, yes, but there are plenty of them, many of whom are definitely on the same level as DRG.
Tell me which zerg is on DRG level?
DRG is the best zerg NOW.The guy got a freaking average 450 EAPM.
I could even say he is the strongest player in terms of mechanic and speed.
Anyways, TvZ match-up is favoring the zerg currently.
OMG Please don't take DRG words so literally.
He was just confident that he could beat anybody in MLG after beating MKP in the winners final.
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On June 15 2012 04:36 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 03:52 Shiori wrote:On June 15 2012 03:44 babysimba wrote:
There's nothing wrong with saying one cannot lose if he plays perfectly. If flash can't lose when he plays perfectly, does it mean terran is imbalanced? Even JD has said sc2 zerg has a high enough skill cap mechanically for him to outshine other zergs. Take their opinions with a grain of salt. They might be boasting, whining, playing mind games, or just entertaining their fans. Nobody said "perfectly." DRG said it didn't matter if any other player played well against him as long as he played well. So what, when two players both play well, the Zerg gets an easy win? I know Zerg players like to pretend DRG is on a level above Code S, but he isn't. He's a talented player, yes, but there are plenty of them, many of whom are definitely on the same level as DRG. Tell me which zerg is on DRG level? DRG is the best zerg NOW.The guy got a freaking average 450 EAPM. I could even say he is the strongest player in terms of mechanic and speed. Anyways, TvZ match-up is favoring the zerg currently. OMG Please don't take DRG words so literally. He was just confident that he could beat anybody in MLG after beating MKP in the winners final.
...I'm talking about the fact that there are players of other races who have the same skill level as DRG.
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On June 15 2012 04:45 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 04:36 FakeDeath wrote:On June 15 2012 03:52 Shiori wrote:On June 15 2012 03:44 babysimba wrote:
There's nothing wrong with saying one cannot lose if he plays perfectly. If flash can't lose when he plays perfectly, does it mean terran is imbalanced? Even JD has said sc2 zerg has a high enough skill cap mechanically for him to outshine other zergs. Take their opinions with a grain of salt. They might be boasting, whining, playing mind games, or just entertaining their fans. Nobody said "perfectly." DRG said it didn't matter if any other player played well against him as long as he played well. So what, when two players both play well, the Zerg gets an easy win? I know Zerg players like to pretend DRG is on a level above Code S, but he isn't. He's a talented player, yes, but there are plenty of them, many of whom are definitely on the same level as DRG. Tell me which zerg is on DRG level? DRG is the best zerg NOW.The guy got a freaking average 450 EAPM. I could even say he is the strongest player in terms of mechanic and speed. Anyways, TvZ match-up is favoring the zerg currently. OMG Please don't take DRG words so literally. He was just confident that he could beat anybody in MLG after beating MKP in the winners final. ...I'm talking about the fact that there are players of other races who have the same skill level as DRG.
It's hard to compare across races.
And you have absolutely no facts backing your argument.
In addition, I have yet to see any Terran or Protoss hit 600 EPM as everyone did during last weekend's MLG.
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lol this apm argument is hilarious
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On June 15 2012 04:48 neoghaleon55 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 04:45 Shiori wrote:On June 15 2012 04:36 FakeDeath wrote:On June 15 2012 03:52 Shiori wrote:On June 15 2012 03:44 babysimba wrote:
There's nothing wrong with saying one cannot lose if he plays perfectly. If flash can't lose when he plays perfectly, does it mean terran is imbalanced? Even JD has said sc2 zerg has a high enough skill cap mechanically for him to outshine other zergs. Take their opinions with a grain of salt. They might be boasting, whining, playing mind games, or just entertaining their fans. Nobody said "perfectly." DRG said it didn't matter if any other player played well against him as long as he played well. So what, when two players both play well, the Zerg gets an easy win? I know Zerg players like to pretend DRG is on a level above Code S, but he isn't. He's a talented player, yes, but there are plenty of them, many of whom are definitely on the same level as DRG. Tell me which zerg is on DRG level? DRG is the best zerg NOW.The guy got a freaking average 450 EAPM. I could even say he is the strongest player in terms of mechanic and speed. Anyways, TvZ match-up is favoring the zerg currently. OMG Please don't take DRG words so literally. He was just confident that he could beat anybody in MLG after beating MKP in the winners final. ...I'm talking about the fact that there are players of other races who have the same skill level as DRG. It's hard to compare across races. And you have absolutely no facts backing your argument. In addition, I have yet to see any Terran or Protoss hit 600 EPM as everyone did during last weekend's MLG.
APM has nothing to do with it. Zerg players naturally have higher "EPM" because they're Creep Spreading and Injecting. I wouldn't say DRG's control is any better than MKP's, for one thing.
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3 larvae per inject, he is for real? I'll admit Zerg is a little strong right now, but that change is way too drastic.
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Mvp and Nestea, theyre like the wisemen of starcraft.
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On June 14 2012 21:22 storywriter wrote:
Lately, Zerg is doing really well compared to other races, how do you feel about that?
Zerg is so good right now. I’ve been telling David Kim for a long time to reduce the observer build time and cost as well as nerf larva inject to three larvae per inject and finally, the observer has been patched. The inject nerf should be coming along.
I guess Hot_Bid was right! 
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=101195
Oldie but a goodie 
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On June 15 2012 05:08 Tump wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2012 21:22 storywriter wrote:
Lately, Zerg is doing really well compared to other races, how do you feel about that?
Zerg is so good right now. I’ve been telling David Kim for a long time to reduce the observer build time and cost as well as nerf larva inject to three larvae per inject and finally, the observer has been patched. The inject nerf should be coming along. I guess Hot_Bid was right! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=101195Oldie but a goodie
Imagine people poopin themselves if this became true
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MVP has spoken: Zerg imba.
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On June 15 2012 04:36 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 03:52 Shiori wrote:On June 15 2012 03:44 babysimba wrote:
There's nothing wrong with saying one cannot lose if he plays perfectly. If flash can't lose when he plays perfectly, does it mean terran is imbalanced? Even JD has said sc2 zerg has a high enough skill cap mechanically for him to outshine other zergs. Take their opinions with a grain of salt. They might be boasting, whining, playing mind games, or just entertaining their fans. Nobody said "perfectly." DRG said it didn't matter if any other player played well against him as long as he played well. So what, when two players both play well, the Zerg gets an easy win? I know Zerg players like to pretend DRG is on a level above Code S, but he isn't. He's a talented player, yes, but there are plenty of them, many of whom are definitely on the same level as DRG. Tell me which zerg is on DRG level? DRG is the best zerg NOW.The guy got a freaking average 450 EAPM. I could even say he is the strongest player in terms of mechanic and speed. Anyways, TvZ match-up is favoring the zerg currently. OMG Please don't take DRG words so literally. He was just confident that he could beat anybody in MLG after beating MKP in the winners final.
APM doesn´t mean shit. You really don´t need that much for SCII atm. Also, even if DRG is the best player in the world, the fact that he will win no matter what if he plays his best is not how the state game should be.
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On June 15 2012 03:23 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 03:22 ohampatu wrote:On June 15 2012 03:16 lannisport wrote:On June 15 2012 02:18 usethis2 wrote:On June 15 2012 00:52 FakeDeath wrote:
Wow i guess DRG should win this season since terran can't figured out ways to deal with the new queen buff yet. DRG really distinguishes himself from all these whiny T/Z/P players. Even when Zs were dying left and right (including himself) he never complained about balance. Terrans and Tosses have inherited the Kong line whereas DRG has inherited the Dong line. Thou shall take complete responsibility for all your losses and wins. except DRG has said at least on two seperate accounts that Protoss was overpowered, and has made the biggest 'balance statement' of any pros saying that he can't lose if he plays well, even if his opponent plays perfectly. mvp is saying the same thing, he just seems to think that way about tvp and tvz...But as i said ealier, i think his interviews are half-truths. He lies and mind-games the shit out of people. Thats why MVP is the king Exactly this. I said in my previous post he is the king of mindgames.
So initially you said Mvp was whining, now you're saying he's just mindgaming...lol. Nice contradiction.
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On June 15 2012 03:05 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 02:58 teamhozac wrote:On June 15 2012 02:53 FakeDeath wrote:On June 15 2012 02:44 glzElectromaster wrote:
I don't understand why people are complaining about them being "whiny". Sure, they have their opinions on balance. There's not going to say "the game is always completely balanced". And they don't bring those up themselves. The interviewer asked specifically about the zerg buff to each of them. They'll just look dumb saying that the buff did nothing because it did do a lot. They are the top players of the world for sure, and they play a heck more than most of us do against opponents of the same caliber. I honestly think that the professionals' inputs are what's going to make the game better, so I'd rather have them discuss it publicly (although I do agree that it should be done somewhere other than a post-game interview -.-)
Interesting ideas presented by both of them, although the zerg larvae nerf sounds a little too absurd, although it won't be too hard to get around it by creating more macro hatches (I think Genius wanted to point out how zerg doesn't really need too many production buildings). It was done in broodwar, so it's not impossible at all, but it might be interesting to see how it'll affect the game. Won't be too hard???LOL Nerfing the larvae inject is literally nerfing the macro mechanics and the production of zerg. Larva is the basis of the zerg economy and army. Kinda sounds like when they nerfed barracks build time to deal with ONE OPENER, thus setting back the entire Terran tech tree... but don't worry, Blizzard is not going to nerf Zerg at all just before the Zerg expansion comes out, you will be safe for a while at least. Which opener are you talking about? Even when the barrack time was nerfed, it was Gom TvT and the era where terran were owning zergs and toss left and right.
The 11/11 rax rush
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On June 15 2012 05:30 GeorgeH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 03:23 FakeDeath wrote:On June 15 2012 03:22 ohampatu wrote:On June 15 2012 03:16 lannisport wrote:On June 15 2012 02:18 usethis2 wrote:On June 15 2012 00:52 FakeDeath wrote:
Wow i guess DRG should win this season since terran can't figured out ways to deal with the new queen buff yet. DRG really distinguishes himself from all these whiny T/Z/P players. Even when Zs were dying left and right (including himself) he never complained about balance. Terrans and Tosses have inherited the Kong line whereas DRG has inherited the Dong line. Thou shall take complete responsibility for all your losses and wins. except DRG has said at least on two seperate accounts that Protoss was overpowered, and has made the biggest 'balance statement' of any pros saying that he can't lose if he plays well, even if his opponent plays perfectly. mvp is saying the same thing, he just seems to think that way about tvp and tvz...But as i said ealier, i think his interviews are half-truths. He lies and mind-games the shit out of people. Thats why MVP is the king Exactly this. I said in my previous post he is the king of mindgames. So initially you said Mvp was whining, now you're saying he's just mindgaming...lol. Nice contradiction.
They will say anything to try and discredit him
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to all the people that say mvp is whining: he is much much better than you in all three races. If you watch his games vs sushohin you can see the mind games he plays with him. MVP is not only themost sucessful sc2 player but also, one who clearly thinks about the game.Theres no motive for him to whine when he won.
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MVP isn't really whining, he's stating the facts from his viewpoint. He played Zerg. He did the 6 queen opening. He destroyed all those lllllllll terrans on ladder. 6 queens = tons of injects, defense, creep spread.
We'll have to wait to see if a BW Terran pro can come up with anything. But unfortunately, SPL is still mostly PvP fest.
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