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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On June 09 2012 19:26 eviltomahawk wrote: Tanks and Marauders and Bunkers? Without the D8 charge, static defenses become much better against HotS Reapers. Marauders and bunkers only have 6 range though.  I guess it would work anyway, the new reapers aren't that fast. But if they stay 7 range, pure marine openers will simply not be viable. | ||
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saltygrapes
181 Posts
On June 09 2012 19:28 ETisME wrote: Oracle looks insanely fun to play with and could be really powerful. the 2 mins vision is crazy good, only problem I have with it is that the cost is quite high since you have to go stargate then go oracle. but it looks extremely good, super scary when you use it to help your deathball out too Yeah, your deathball that will get widow mined and abducted to hell. Protoss will have to have a much different playstyle in HotS and that's a very, very good thing. But the units they've been given fit with that and I think are pretty awesome. The Tempest needs a bit of work but the concept is cool in that it relies heavily on micro and the vision given by other units to maximize effectiveness. | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On June 09 2012 19:27 SiroKO wrote: Widow mine: 75 minerals 25 gaz. There is a 10 second delay between attachment and detonation. Even taking aside progamer, is there a single chance any master league terran player will invest into such a terrible mineral sink ? 10 seconds ? Are you kidding me ? Dustin browder expects progamer to separate the unit targeted, but with a 10 second delay, I expect any master league player to do it and even the diamond player on the Korean server. That's not the only purpose of the unit. If you are able to trade more expensive units like mutas (100/100/2) for the cost of a mine (75/25/1), its gonna be worth it every time. Just don't waste your mines on zerglings. Forcing your opponent to micro his units to prevent splash is just icing on the cake really. | ||
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Quotidian
Norway1937 Posts
On June 09 2012 19:27 SiroKO wrote: Widow mine: 75 minerals 25 gaz. There is a 10 second delay between attachment and detonation. Even taking aside progamer, is there a single chance any master league terran player will invest into such a terrible mineral sink ? 10 seconds ? Are you kidding me ? Dustin browder expects progamer to separate the unit targeted, but with a 10 second delay, I expect any master league player to do it and even the diamond player on the Korean server. 200 guaranteed damage + splash for 75 minerals doesn't seem like a "terrible mineral sink" to me.. one shots banshees, tanks, | ||
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CruelZeratul
Germany4588 Posts
 Can't help it but fear for the qality of HotS. Also Terrans are pretty much fucked  | ||
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Decendos
Germany1338 Posts
On June 09 2012 19:27 SiroKO wrote: Widow mine: 75 minerals 25 gaz. There is a 10 second delay between attachment and detonation. Even taking aside progamer, is there a single chance any master league terran player will invest into such a terrible mineral sink ? 10 seconds ? Are you kidding me ? Dustin browder expects progamer to separate the unit targeted, but with a 10 second delay, I expect any master league player to do it and even the diamond player on the Korean server. well, one mine. try getting out 10 mines out of your army in 10 seconds. you miss one mine, the whole army is dead. btw the 10 sec like any other stat isnt fix and there will be a lot of changes and patches. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11133 Posts
On June 09 2012 19:27 SiroKO wrote: Widow mine: 75 minerals 25 gaz. There is a 10 second delay between attachment and detonation. Even taking aside progamer, is there a single chance any master league terran player will invest into such a terrible mineral sink ? I guess internal testers are terrible, as was showcased by the battle reports, and we once again will have to bear 3-4 months of total imbalance after HOTS release. Well, the Widow Mines trade pretty well against most units in the game. Once it attaches to a unit, at least the attached unit is guaranteed to die most of the time. In a TvT, what exactly is cheaper than a Widow Mine? Marines and SCVs? Reapers might also be cheaper in minerals, but not in gas. In a TvZ, Drones and Zerglings? Though Roaches are of equal cost. In a TvP, perhaps only Probes? Though one could argue Zealots gas-wise or Sentries mineral-wise. If it manages to attach to a unit, it will most likely be very cost-efficient even if it kills only one unit, assuming that unit isn't a worker or a basic combat unit. Of course, a well-placed scan or well-placed detectors could nullify a lot of its damage. | ||
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kochujang
Germany1226 Posts
On June 09 2012 19:33 CruelZeratul wrote: All of this seems so imba Can't help it but fear for the qality of HotS.If everything is imba, doesn't it all equalize? Why do you think this will affect the quality? | ||
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FrogOfWar
Germany1406 Posts
About the tempest: I remember it was first introduced as an anti air splash damage dealer to counter mass muta. Is this anti air splash attack completely gone? Does anyone know? | ||
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Alexj
Ukraine440 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11133 Posts
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Akinokaze
Australia326 Posts
On June 09 2012 19:30 Bagi wrote: Marauders and bunkers only have 6 range though. I guess it would work anyway, the new reapers aren't that fast. But if they stay 7 range, pure marine openers will simply not be viable. A Marauder in a Bunker has 7 range Getting a Marauder or two with CS could become a popular follow up to FE builds in TvT or maybe even a resurgence in Marauder/Reaper expands. | ||
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CortoMontez
Australia608 Posts
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ETisME
12326 Posts
On June 09 2012 19:32 saltygrapes wrote: Yeah, your deathball that will get widow mined and abducted to hell. Protoss will have to have a much different playstyle in HotS and that's a very, very good thing. But the units they've been given fit with that and I think are pretty awesome. The Tempest needs a bit of work but the concept is cool in that it relies heavily on micro and the vision given by other units to maximize effectiveness. I can see a lot of cool fighting over position between toss army and viper's abduction but yea, that widow mine is kind of scary to be honest, I don't even know what to do since I play Z, I can't micro a ling out all the time from my 100+ lings lol | ||
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Charon1979
Austria317 Posts
Yeah, your deathball that will get widow mined and abducted to hell. So your Colossi in the middle auf your R6 Stalker ball will get abducted by a R7 spell from a 120 HP armored unit? I highly doubt that. | ||
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Quotidian
Norway1937 Posts
On June 09 2012 19:41 eviltomahawk wrote: I also wonder how Immortal hardened shields react against Warhounds and Widow Mines. my guess is it reacts... | ||
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
but thats just my opinion. Need to see pros play! =) | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On June 09 2012 19:41 Akinokaze wrote: A Marauder in a Bunker has 7 range Getting a Marauder or two with CS could become a popular follow up to FE builds in TvT or maybe even a resurgence in Marauder/Reaper expands.I'm pretty sure a marauder in a bunker still only has 6 range. Marines gain 1 range when in bunkers (5->6) simply because they need it to defend against stalkers and marauders. | ||
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DaveVAH
Canada162 Posts
On June 09 2012 19:41 eviltomahawk wrote: I also wonder how Immortal hardened shields react against Warhounds and Widow Mines. Ye me too. Pretty sure the mine will do full damage. | ||
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emc
United States3088 Posts
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