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SarcasmMonster
3136 Posts
On June 09 2012 12:42 s3rp wrote: They might've added it again but in the build with the showmatch there was no nitro packs available in the techlab . Not sure whats accurate though. I'm assuming the HOTS station at MLG has a newer build than the showmatch... so I think live MLG info trumps showmatch info. | ||
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Crysack
Australia94 Posts
On June 09 2012 12:36 Kaw wrote: I don't think you understand what I am saying. If inject gave a zerg 100 larva it would be stupidly strong, but it would still be as exciting to watch as it is now. Entomb is good. I'm not denying that. The problem is it is fucking boring and the only "skill" involved is casting it every time you get the energy for it. Harassing with entomb works the same way dropping mules does for terran, and they are equally exciting to watch. Entomb is a macro mechanic, not a form of harass. I agree completely. I don't want a harass unit that is essentially a skill-check for my macro abilities, I want an exciting high-risk, high-reward unit that I can stick in a warp prism that rewards skilful micro (hint, hint: reaver). Seriously though, I'm not advocating that we bring back the reaver but it was definitely a hell of a lot more fun to watch and to use than the oracle looks to be. | ||
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
On June 09 2012 12:45 SarcasmMonster wrote: I'm assuming the HOTS station at MLG has a newer build than the showmatch... so I think live MLG info trumps showmatch info. I guess that would make Reapers useful again. TvT early game is gonna be a bitch though :o . | ||
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-Exalt-
United States972 Posts
On June 09 2012 12:44 Plethora wrote: Know what I'm deciding I dislike most about SC2 and all these new units are just hammering home? The lack of anything fun and microable... I miss vultures, reaver & shuttle, muta micro, hell even marine vs lurker micro. What are the most microable units in SC2? Reaper (nerfed to the point of being irrelevent) Banshees maybe? Blink Stalkers? Both have some fun micro tricks but nothing thats really going to make a crowd ooh and ahh. I think the coolest microing in SC2 is probably marine splitting vs banelings. That's one of the very few things you can watch a pro do and really just kinda marvel at sometimes. Aside from that, what is there? the oracle isn't micro-able and won't rely on multitasking/micro late game? oh, ok. what about a new mech TvP that will involve a lot of hellions that can be dropped / microd at protoss expansions, or mines that can be placed at mineral fields, etc. that isn't just as micro intensive as spam right-clicking a flock of mutas? ok. | ||
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ETisME
12676 Posts
(I don't like how creep looks on minimap though) | ||
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Elvin
149 Posts
Warhound is only good against mechanical units ,zerg has none. Widow mines are bullshit since they'll just attach to zerglings which will make them into an ultimate allahu akhbar unit. Transformer hellions are without comment ,do not see any use for them in TvZ. | ||
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Esk23
United States447 Posts
On June 09 2012 12:47 -Exalt- wrote: the oracle isn't micro-able and won't rely on multitasking/micro late game? oh, ok. what about a new mech TvP that will involve a lot of hellions that can be dropped / microd at protoss expansions, or mines that can be placed at mineral fields, etc. that isn't just as micro intensive as spam right-clicking a flock of mutas? ok. The oracle is an eazy peazy no-micro no-skill unit. With one click of a button you shut down someone's economy. What a joke. Terran has enough units they gotta micro, while Protoss have very very few and win most of their engagements with A+moving. | ||
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theBlues
El Salvador638 Posts
On June 09 2012 12:45 Fencer710 wrote: I do hope that Ghosts get a buff, which could make Siege Tanks more viable since the Ghosts could shut down the Vipers, as well as sniping things like Banelings and Hydralisks. Ghosts shut down vipers, since they are psionic and ALSO have energy, so they can be sniped or empd... | ||
Falling
Canada11398 Posts
On June 09 2012 12:44 Plethora wrote: Know what I'm deciding I dislike most about SC2 and all these new units are just hammering home? The lack of anything fun and microable... I miss vultures, reaver & shuttle, muta micro, hell even marine vs lurker micro. What are the most microable units in SC2? Reaper (nerfed to the point of being irrelevent) Banshees maybe? Blink Stalkers? Both have some fun micro tricks but nothing thats really going to make a crowd ooh and ahh. I think the coolest microing in SC2 is probably marine splitting vs banelings. That's one of the very few things you can watch a pro do and really just kinda marvel at sometimes. Aside from that, what is there? Well actually even banshees have very sluggish micro control compared to wraith micro. It's the fate of modern gaming really. Faster unit movement, but sluggish turn rate/ response time. | ||
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eden-san
Belgium42 Posts
On June 09 2012 12:36 Fencer710 wrote: Viper/Hydra/Swarmhost looks very good in the preview PvZ game, though, combined with fast hive tech to assault the third/fourth of the Protoss. Remember the changes aren't final, either. Swarm host if clearly designed for pre-Hive strategies (there is no question that once you reach hive you should get broodlords if your aim is to break any sort of siege), so I really have no idea how they actually fit the the unit comps you can get before that. Though I do agree it's kinda pointless to discuss details on the units, I just don't really feel the swarm host "fits" the style nor the needs (ultras' charge and hydras' speed do). | ||
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
On June 09 2012 12:52 TheBlueMeaner wrote: Ghosts shut down vipers, since they are psionic and ALSO have energy, so they can be sniped or empd... EMP'ing Air Units is lets call it funky. Very hard to target air-units with EMP and actually hit. | ||
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
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bhfberserk
Canada390 Posts
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SarcasmMonster
3136 Posts
On June 09 2012 12:55 shadymmj wrote: when out of ideas look to BW is what I gathered Isn't that what the community wants? I always here cries about making SC2 more like BW. | ||
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
On June 09 2012 12:55 bhfberserk wrote: Is there a terran match out there to watch??? There was a TvZ on the MLG main stream but don't bother it was depressing everything they showed looked awful and useless. Seriously the Terran played Mech and just got obliterated without any chance of ever winning the game . The actually interesting stuff was never shown sadly . | ||
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larse
1611 Posts
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SarcasmMonster
3136 Posts
On June 09 2012 12:57 larse wrote: One problem of viper is that it can extract energy from spines. And spines can move, so that basically means viper will never out of energy as long as zerg has some spines or spores following the main army. I dunno about "never out of energy". The ability takes away 200hp for 50energy, so realistically, you can only drain so much before letting your spines and spores regen all that health back. | ||
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DeCoup
Australia1933 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On June 09 2012 12:57 larse wrote: One problem of viper is that it can extract energy from spines. And spines can move, so that basically means viper will never out of energy as long as zerg has some spines or spores following the main army. Defilers could consume Zerglings for energy, so Viper consume is not entirely unprecedented. The spells can be balanced if needed. | ||
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