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On June 09 2012 12:47 -Exalt- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 12:44 Plethora wrote:
Know what I'm deciding I dislike most about SC2 and all these new units are just hammering home? The lack of anything fun and microable...
I miss vultures, reaver & shuttle, muta micro, hell even marine vs lurker micro.
What are the most microable units in SC2?
Reaper (nerfed to the point of being irrelevent)
Banshees maybe? Blink Stalkers? Both have some fun micro tricks but nothing thats really going to make a crowd ooh and ahh. I think the coolest microing in SC2 is probably marine splitting vs banelings. That's one of the very few things you can watch a pro do and really just kinda marvel at sometimes. Aside from that, what is there? the oracle isn't micro-able and won't rely on multitasking/micro late game? oh, ok. what about a new mech TvP that will involve a lot of hellions that can be dropped / microd at protoss expansions, or mines that can be placed at mineral fields, etc. that isn't just as micro intensive as spam right-clicking a flock of mutas? ok.
The kind of thing I'm talking about is a unit that, if microed well, can kill many times its cost in enemy units but if microed poorly will just die without doing much of anything. I never said anything about multi-tasking. I don't have that much of a problem with multi-tasking demands in SC2.
Just take a vulture... a-move a vulture and it'll die to just about anything in the game. Do some top teir Korean micro with a vulture and it is capable of killing basically infinity zealots. What unit in SC2 can do that?
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On June 09 2012 12:57 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 12:55 bhfberserk wrote:
Is there a terran match out there to watch??? There was a TvZ on the MLG main stream but don't bother it was depressing everything they showed looked awful and useless. Seriously the Terran played Mech and just got obliterated without any chance of ever winning the game . The actually interesting stuff was never shown sadly .
Is it on the blue stream and which time section is it on? I am still curious to see how the new Terran is doing.
From the forum sounds pretty bad.
NVM I just found it. Ty
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On June 09 2012 13:06 bhfberserk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 12:57 s3rp wrote:On June 09 2012 12:55 bhfberserk wrote:
Is there a terran match out there to watch??? There was a TvZ on the MLG main stream but don't bother it was depressing everything they showed looked awful and useless. Seriously the Terran played Mech and just got obliterated without any chance of ever winning the game . The actually interesting stuff was never shown sadly . Is it on the blue stream and which time section is it on? I am still curious to see how the new Terran is doing. From the forum sounds pretty bad. NVM I just found it. Ty
The funniest part was when Day[9] mentioned how viable Mech now has become and the game just proceeds to be a one-sided slaughter ^^
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On June 09 2012 13:10 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 13:06 bhfberserk wrote:On June 09 2012 12:57 s3rp wrote:On June 09 2012 12:55 bhfberserk wrote:
Is there a terran match out there to watch??? There was a TvZ on the MLG main stream but don't bother it was depressing everything they showed looked awful and useless. Seriously the Terran played Mech and just got obliterated without any chance of ever winning the game . The actually interesting stuff was never shown sadly . Is it on the blue stream and which time section is it on? I am still curious to see how the new Terran is doing. From the forum sounds pretty bad. NVM I just found it. Ty The funniest part was when Day[9] mentioned how viable Mech now has become and the game just proceeds to be a one-sided slaughter ^^
You can't beat David Kim in a Battle Report match lol. He hasn't lost a single one... I wonder he destroys the ones where he loses... he's like 5:0 in Battle Reports.
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On June 09 2012 13:10 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 13:06 bhfberserk wrote:On June 09 2012 12:57 s3rp wrote:On June 09 2012 12:55 bhfberserk wrote:
Is there a terran match out there to watch??? There was a TvZ on the MLG main stream but don't bother it was depressing everything they showed looked awful and useless. Seriously the Terran played Mech and just got obliterated without any chance of ever winning the game . The actually interesting stuff was never shown sadly . Is it on the blue stream and which time section is it on? I am still curious to see how the new Terran is doing. From the forum sounds pretty bad. NVM I just found it. Ty The funniest part was when Day[9] mentioned how viable Mech now has become and the game just proceeds to be a one-sided slaughter ^^
Well, lets be honest with ourselves. That Terran player was really bad.
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On June 09 2012 13:12 HeroMystic wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 13:10 s3rp wrote:On June 09 2012 13:06 bhfberserk wrote:On June 09 2012 12:57 s3rp wrote:On June 09 2012 12:55 bhfberserk wrote:
Is there a terran match out there to watch??? There was a TvZ on the MLG main stream but don't bother it was depressing everything they showed looked awful and useless. Seriously the Terran played Mech and just got obliterated without any chance of ever winning the game . The actually interesting stuff was never shown sadly . Is it on the blue stream and which time section is it on? I am still curious to see how the new Terran is doing. From the forum sounds pretty bad. NVM I just found it. Ty The funniest part was when Day[9] mentioned how viable Mech now has become and the game just proceeds to be a one-sided slaughter ^^ Well, lets be honest with ourselves. That Terran player was really bad.
And David Kim is really gosu. Undefeated in pre-release battle reports, I think. Definitely the bonjwa of the SC2 alpha builds.
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On June 09 2012 12:50 Elvin wrote:
I like the fact that terran gets absolutely nothing new against zerg in HotS.
Warhound is only good against mechanical units ,zerg has none.
Widow mines are bullshit since they'll just attach to zerglings which will make them into an ultimate allahu akhbar unit.
Transformer hellions are without comment ,do not see any use for them in TvZ.
I do think Terran changes will have an effect to the TvZ match up... with mines can be reactored out ..., Terran can definitely hold off eoch banes pushes easily. Moreover .. the transformed hellion can boost the power of the infamous marauder hellion push...which means zerg may not be able to take the third that quickly / safely.
However, it seems the anti-air weapon are taken away from the warhounds ...
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On June 09 2012 13:12 HeroMystic wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 13:10 s3rp wrote:On June 09 2012 13:06 bhfberserk wrote:On June 09 2012 12:57 s3rp wrote:On June 09 2012 12:55 bhfberserk wrote:
Is there a terran match out there to watch??? There was a TvZ on the MLG main stream but don't bother it was depressing everything they showed looked awful and useless. Seriously the Terran played Mech and just got obliterated without any chance of ever winning the game . The actually interesting stuff was never shown sadly . Is it on the blue stream and which time section is it on? I am still curious to see how the new Terran is doing. From the forum sounds pretty bad. NVM I just found it. Ty The funniest part was when Day[9] mentioned how viable Mech now has become and the game just proceeds to be a one-sided slaughter ^^ Well, lets be honest with ourselves. That Terran player was really bad.
The unit compostion he chose was just awful. Even if you're supposed to show the new units at least use them in a context that doesn't make Terran look like total shit.
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On June 09 2012 13:12 HeroMystic wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 13:10 s3rp wrote:On June 09 2012 13:06 bhfberserk wrote:On June 09 2012 12:57 s3rp wrote:On June 09 2012 12:55 bhfberserk wrote:
Is there a terran match out there to watch??? There was a TvZ on the MLG main stream but don't bother it was depressing everything they showed looked awful and useless. Seriously the Terran played Mech and just got obliterated without any chance of ever winning the game . The actually interesting stuff was never shown sadly . Is it on the blue stream and which time section is it on? I am still curious to see how the new Terran is doing. From the forum sounds pretty bad. NVM I just found it. Ty The funniest part was when Day[9] mentioned how viable Mech now has become and the game just proceeds to be a one-sided slaughter ^^ Well, lets be honest with ourselves. That Terran player was really bad.
So was the Zerg. They both sucked yet the only thing you can take from that match is how OP Ultra charge is, it literally rapes everything on the ground now, and garbage siege tanks were when the Zerg has Ultra charge and vipers out on the field.
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I honestly cant imagine them going through with the majority of these changes. Protoss basically getting a PF on a regular nexus with recall.... on top of warp ins... Oracles blocking base for 31 seconds? Moving spider mines? Viper looks pretty cool. Although I cant imagine that Warhound or battle hellion will see any different use than the thor or hellion right now. Its not like you are going to go Bio a whole game and then switch to battle hellions to deal with the mass zealot warp in. Pretty poor design idea imo, Frankly every time I see updates on HOTS i get more depressed.
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On June 09 2012 13:06 Plethora wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 12:47 -Exalt- wrote:On June 09 2012 12:44 Plethora wrote:
Know what I'm deciding I dislike most about SC2 and all these new units are just hammering home? The lack of anything fun and microable...
I miss vultures, reaver & shuttle, muta micro, hell even marine vs lurker micro.
What are the most microable units in SC2?
Reaper (nerfed to the point of being irrelevent)
Banshees maybe? Blink Stalkers? Both have some fun micro tricks but nothing thats really going to make a crowd ooh and ahh. I think the coolest microing in SC2 is probably marine splitting vs banelings. That's one of the very few things you can watch a pro do and really just kinda marvel at sometimes. Aside from that, what is there? the oracle isn't micro-able and won't rely on multitasking/micro late game? oh, ok. what about a new mech TvP that will involve a lot of hellions that can be dropped / microd at protoss expansions, or mines that can be placed at mineral fields, etc. that isn't just as micro intensive as spam right-clicking a flock of mutas? ok. The kind of thing I'm talking about is a unit that, if microed well, can kill many times its cost in enemy units but if microed poorly will just die without doing much of anything. I never said anything about multi-tasking. I don't have that much of a problem with multi-tasking demands in SC2. Just take a vulture... a-move a vulture and it'll die to just about anything in the game. Do some top teir Korean micro with a vulture and it is capable of killing basically infinity zealots. What unit in SC2 can do that?
...any non-melee unit that moves faster than 2.25?
Killing infinity zealots is really not an achievement unless they have charge.
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I'm pretty sure they were just blizzard employers who were told to use as many new units and spells as possible. We have no idea what the game played out by pros is going to look like.
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On June 09 2012 12:38 Fencer710 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 12:36 HeroMystic wrote:
Also, serious question.
Can we all agree that Reaper in this build is worse than it currently is now? I heavily disagree. In the game casted by Day9 and Rob Simpson you can see that a Reaper expand build can definitely be viable for early game harassment and possibly to contain creep, since they now have 60 HP and that 50/50 ability to heal out of combat. You can also bring them along with your mid-game push to kill off some more Zerglings.
not really..the 3 reapers were shutdown by one single queen. the only reason why they killed any drones was because the zerg was injecting 2 hatches with 1 queen...... i dont see any pro wasting gas on techlab, 3 reapers, and search healing for zero harassment and much slower cc.
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On June 09 2012 13:10 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 13:06 bhfberserk wrote:On June 09 2012 12:57 s3rp wrote:On June 09 2012 12:55 bhfberserk wrote:
Is there a terran match out there to watch??? There was a TvZ on the MLG main stream but don't bother it was depressing everything they showed looked awful and useless. Seriously the Terran played Mech and just got obliterated without any chance of ever winning the game . The actually interesting stuff was never shown sadly . Is it on the blue stream and which time section is it on? I am still curious to see how the new Terran is doing. From the forum sounds pretty bad. NVM I just found it. Ty The funniest part was when Day[9] mentioned how viable Mech now has become and the game just proceeds to be a one-sided slaughter ^^
I think it probably would have been even more one-sided if he had gone roach-viper instead of hydra-viper. twice as many roaches for the same gas count, weaker max supply, but the vipers allow constant trades.
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Is there any link to the TVZ hots game and why has nobody bothered to mention new changes about
-Thor
-Corrupter
-Overseer
-Nydus worm
All of these were changed last time there was HOTS reveal or talked about in the recent developer update with browder but nobody has mentioned them since..
Anyone got any word on these? Especially interested with changes to the Nydus worms? Thanks.
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Thor has returned to their WoL state. (No Hero Thor)
Overseer can now throw their changelings instead of simply pooping them out.
Haven't seen any news on the Nydus nor Corrupter.
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Maybe they should just make a flying Reaver for Protoss like the original carrier reimagining for WoL.
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Which stream is the HOTS stuff on?
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On June 09 2012 13:06 Plethora wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 12:47 -Exalt- wrote:On June 09 2012 12:44 Plethora wrote:
Know what I'm deciding I dislike most about SC2 and all these new units are just hammering home? The lack of anything fun and microable...
I miss vultures, reaver & shuttle, muta micro, hell even marine vs lurker micro.
What are the most microable units in SC2?
Reaper (nerfed to the point of being irrelevent)
Banshees maybe? Blink Stalkers? Both have some fun micro tricks but nothing thats really going to make a crowd ooh and ahh. I think the coolest microing in SC2 is probably marine splitting vs banelings. That's one of the very few things you can watch a pro do and really just kinda marvel at sometimes. Aside from that, what is there? the oracle isn't micro-able and won't rely on multitasking/micro late game? oh, ok. what about a new mech TvP that will involve a lot of hellions that can be dropped / microd at protoss expansions, or mines that can be placed at mineral fields, etc. that isn't just as micro intensive as spam right-clicking a flock of mutas? ok. The kind of thing I'm talking about is a unit that, if microed well, can kill many times its cost in enemy units but if microed poorly will just die without doing much of anything. I never said anything about multi-tasking. I don't have that much of a problem with multi-tasking demands in SC2. Just take a vulture... a-move a vulture and it'll die to just about anything in the game. Do some top teir Korean micro with a vulture and it is capable of killing basically infinity zealots. What unit in SC2 can do that?
stalker vs marine?
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On June 09 2012 13:06 Plethora wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 12:47 -Exalt- wrote:On June 09 2012 12:44 Plethora wrote:
Know what I'm deciding I dislike most about SC2 and all these new units are just hammering home? The lack of anything fun and microable...
I miss vultures, reaver & shuttle, muta micro, hell even marine vs lurker micro.
What are the most microable units in SC2?
Reaper (nerfed to the point of being irrelevent)
Banshees maybe? Blink Stalkers? Both have some fun micro tricks but nothing thats really going to make a crowd ooh and ahh. I think the coolest microing in SC2 is probably marine splitting vs banelings. That's one of the very few things you can watch a pro do and really just kinda marvel at sometimes. Aside from that, what is there? the oracle isn't micro-able and won't rely on multitasking/micro late game? oh, ok. what about a new mech TvP that will involve a lot of hellions that can be dropped / microd at protoss expansions, or mines that can be placed at mineral fields, etc. that isn't just as micro intensive as spam right-clicking a flock of mutas? ok. The kind of thing I'm talking about is a unit that, if microed well, can kill many times its cost in enemy units but if microed poorly will just die without doing much of anything. I never said anything about multi-tasking. I don't have that much of a problem with multi-tasking demands in SC2. Just take a vulture... a-move a vulture and it'll die to just about anything in the game. Do some top teir Korean micro with a vulture and it is capable of killing basically infinity zealots. What unit in SC2 can do that?
I get your point, but I don't think vulture kiting zealots is a great example. It's not very hard to kite infinity zealots with a vulture.
But yes, we need more of that.
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