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Fuzer
Finland266 Posts
On June 19 2012 10:25 monkybone wrote: Not if you're not going for siege tanks. So you're basically saying that every terran needs to go for siege tanks in TvT if it were the case? Well siegetank is the core unit anyways... | ||
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Account252508
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Fuzer
Finland266 Posts
So what? How many times you see tvz or tvp open with siegetanks? None, because theyre too expensive to start building, a) you need factory 100 gas + techlab + 25gas + siegemode 100 gas + siegetank 125gas... And then you have unit that you cant attack with, only to defend, except in TvT. | ||
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Starshaped
Sweden575 Posts
On June 19 2012 10:25 monkybone wrote: Not if you're not going for siege tanks. So you're basically saying that every terran needs to go for siege tanks in TvT if it were the case? Only awful gimmicky players will not get tanks in TvT, so I don't see that as a bad thing. Tanks starting with siegemode actually sounds really interesting, if a bit irrelevant. It would make Terran a lot more stable when going for macro play and would actually make for some versatility in builds/unit compositions. | ||
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Doomblaze
United States1292 Posts
On June 19 2012 10:53 Starshaped wrote: Only awful gimmicky players will not get tanks in TvT, so I don't see that as a bad thing. Tanks starting with siegemode actually sounds really interesting, if a bit irrelevant. It would make Terran a lot more stable when going for macro play and would actually make for some versatility in builds/unit compositions. That would be so broken I would love it. Proxy tank viking/banshee/medivac would be awesome. Please do it blizzard! | ||
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Falconblade
United States1035 Posts
On June 19 2012 11:02 13_Doomblaze_37 wrote: That would be so broken I would love it. Proxy tank viking/banshee/medivac would be awesome. Please do it blizzard! While we are at it asking Blizzard for buffs that they would never give us because Blizzard doesn't understand the concept of buffing a Terran.... Can Ghosts and Banshees come with cloak already researched? ^ Would be OP as hell, but a hell of a lot of fun. | ||
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Fuzer
Finland266 Posts
On June 19 2012 11:30 Falconblade wrote: While we are at it asking Blizzard for buffs that they would never give us because Blizzard doesn't understand the concept of buffing a Terran.... Can Ghosts and Banshees come with cloak already researched? ^ Would be OP as hell, but a hell of a lot of fun. I don't see how you can actually talk about ghost / banshee cloak when were talking about siegetanks? Tell me how It would be OP? Terrans need something right now or the zerg needs to get nerfed. Yes the 1-1-1 might be just a little bit stronger, but its still easy to defend / wouldnt most likely change anything. Against zerg, it would just be more defend at early stages, wouldnt most likely beign used as a push, since zergs can just make lings... | ||
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zmansman17
United States2567 Posts
On June 19 2012 09:38 LavaLava wrote: I agree with the other stuff you said, but this isn't true. Mass Ravens have a specific anti-infestor behavior that is very effective. You scan ahead of your raven/banshee flock, and when infestors are about 20 range away, you select all your ravens, hold T, and place auto-turrets in a scattershot pattern towards the infestors. then if necessary you drop 2-3 missiles on infestors and clumps of infested terrans. When he can't fungal you all at once, fungals are useless and he won't be able to stop your ravens from getting down a lot of autoturrets (which cannot be fungaled and beat IT's for energy due to the hatch time+greater range) Your ravens also micro themselves away from attacking units. This is just wrong. Ran k1 master terran here and Ravens are awful against infestors because just 1 fungal has the potential to chain fungal the ravens and it's gg. Note that ravens cannot cast whilst being fungaled and fungal outranges HSM. Also, as Terran players we need to use like 6 hotkeys for army, so if you by accident (And only for a moment) clump your ravens and you get fungaled once it's gg. You cannot replace that gas. And even if your ravens go unmolested by the other player, it's not sufficient to say you will even glean an advantage, let alone win the game. If anything, it makes the end game OK, but once again, good luck holding 200 apm and not making any errors. | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
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zmansman17
United States2567 Posts
On June 19 2012 11:46 iTzSnypah wrote: I want Blizzard to buff Ravens. Maybe changing the cost to 150/150? More like 100/150 or 150/100. | ||
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Starshaped
Sweden575 Posts
Also nerf fungal (make it damage + slow or make it so it freezes units in place, but not both ffs...), remove queen buff. Thanks =) | ||
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Falconblade
United States1035 Posts
On June 19 2012 11:35 Fuzer wrote: I don't see how you can actually talk about ghost / banshee cloak when were talking about siegetanks? Tell me how It would be OP? Terrans need something right now or the zerg needs to get nerfed. Yes the 1-1-1 might be just a little bit stronger, but its still easy to defend / wouldnt most likely change anything. Against zerg, it would just be more defend at early stages, wouldnt most likely beign used as a push, since zergs can just make lings... I was talking about his Proxy banshee and stuff. And that cloak would be OP. I don't think the siege mode free would matter much, I like it, I didn't call it op. But it's also unnecessary, I'd settle for buffs to lategame and nerf to Zerg early game that denies your harrass completely. | ||
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archonOOid
1983 Posts
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TAAF
Switzerland226 Posts
Maybe a speed buff too? I feel like the raven is just to slow and really hard to micro. | ||
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
1 rax FE into double gas into factory with siege tanks would be a great build. | ||
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Evangelist
1246 Posts
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Snowbear
Korea (South)1925 Posts
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
cost is not the problem fungal >> ravens because of range. hsm travels too slow also. | ||
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
On June 19 2012 16:44 Snowbear wrote: They should make the raven the most imba unit in the game, and then maybe nerf it slowly. Honstely i think thats the way to go. If you look at HotS everything looks ridiculously imba, but if all of that is carefully nurfed it could be really fine. Blizzard was underestimating the consequences of this change. Maybe they wanted to help zerg early game but accidentally they wracked up 90% of all terran builds and make the best to the worst matchup with the only options to make a gimicky build and pray or allin like MvP said. It sucks really hard because i think tvz was the most "mechanical" matchup, which was also the most watchable for BW "fans" to a random thing like early PvP where you flip a coin and hope to take the zerg offguard. | ||
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Dalavita
Sweden1113 Posts
And because of the ease of use of ling infestor and how strong it is zergs will still get into a macro game with an advantage and stomp the terrans. | ||
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