Btw guys, I just want to put this out there, around the beta, there was a qualifier for the Hungarian national lineup, and i won the finals 3-0, got accused of maphacking. I said, it's complete bullshit, mods looked at the replays, there was no real evidence, case solved, the guy who accuse me after losing the finals disappeared.
Compare that to the recent situation. Spade came out and said u can believe whatever u want, and 1 day later he "retires" because his reputation has been dmged.
There is no dmg done by an unproven accusation, i went on the be part of the national lineup and win a national LAN at Budapest later on.
So I hope everyone gets why i say, he's guilty for sure, 100%, and everyone who still defends him is stupid
Cry about whichunts when people are punished severly for minor offences, not when a hacker gets exposed. GJ to whoever started it
i'm sad that one anonymous coward in the internet has so much power over someone. hell, you can just hope it doesnt happen to you one day when you (maybe) didn't do something and some anonymous guy throws accusations with "proof" around but everyone takes the "once a liar always a liar" approach. thats not how it should work in real life. (not taking any stance in the case here, but the possibility is really obvious) It scares me...
On June 06 2012 05:21 mememolly wrote: why didn't he stream the replays himself and talk through his decisions and reasons for the "dodgy" moments?
that's what i want to know too!
Well either he didn't have reasons or few people would really listen at this point. I'm betting on the former given his track record but cheating is a tough accusation to beat. Since he's been caught before I'm not surprised this is what happened.
On June 06 2012 05:19 Tump wrote: Guy can't get into top masters one day, gets to GM #1 and beats good Koreans like oGsVINES the next.
Hacker 100%.
Combine that with his tourny performance and he reeks of hacking with or without that series with LucifroN
This. I think witchhunts have gotten super out of hand(Orb, Destiny, and even the Playhem caster but I can't remember his name). That said, this was definitely a legitimate issue and I'm glad to see that he won't be able to show face.
Edit: Playhem Caster was Katu. Ironically enough, the community witch-hunted Katu because he cracked jokes about a former cheater. Katu was unprofessional and all that jazz but still ironic.
If persons kills himself before trial, it is almost 100% that he was guilty. I think it is the same situation right here.
If he would be that good that he could take maps from LucifroN, i believe he could easily prove himself in upcoming MLG / WCS USA and other tournaments.
On June 06 2012 05:27 Geo.Rion wrote: Btw guys, I just want to put this out there, around the beta, there was a qualifier for the Hungarian national lineup, and i won the finals 3-0, got accused of maphacking. I said, it's complete bullshit, mods looked at the replays, there was no real evidence, case solved, the guy who accuse me after losing the finals disappeared.
Compare that to the recent situation. Spade came out and said u can believe whatever u want, and 1 day later he "retires" because his reputation has been dmged.
There is no dmg done by an unproven accusation, i went on the be part of the national lineup and win a national LAN at Budapest later on.
So I hope everyone gets why i say, he's guilty for sure, 100%, and everyone who still defends him is stupid
I say concluding that someone is guilty of hacking without proof is stupid.
On June 06 2012 05:07 voy wrote: Are You proud TeamLiquid community? Im really with Nerchio on this one. 1 million map hakcing specialists here, from bronze to master.
The hacking community itself is laughing at how bad TL understands hacks. It was plain obvious what Spades using wasn't a maphack, but a bunch of misinformation about how camera lock works led to the entire community believing in Spades supposed hacking.
How? I can link you the hack and link the thread where someone on the hacking site said that its obvious he hacked who is a elder member on the site. Who also has more post than the hacker who said it doesnt work like that.
Hey man they are hackers on a hacking forum, obviously they are unbiased to the whole situation and will tell the absolute truth!
How are hackers biased about this situation? How do they benefit from Spades being a hacker or not being a hacker one way or the other? Why would they prefer to believe he is a hacker or isn't a hacker?
On June 06 2012 05:27 Geo.Rion wrote: Btw guys, I just want to put this out there, around the beta, there was a qualifier for the Hungarian national lineup, and i won the finals 3-0, got accused of maphacking. I said, it's complete bullshit, mods looked at the replays, there was no real evidence, case solved, the guy who accuse me after losing the finals disappeared.
Compare that to the recent situation. Spade came out and said u can believe whatever u want, and 1 day later he "retires" because his reputation has been dmged.
There is no dmg done by an unproven accusation, i went on the be part of the national lineup and win a national LAN at Budapest later on.
So I hope everyone gets why i say, he's guilty for sure, 100%, and everyone who still defends him is stupid
I say concluding that someone is guilty of hacking without proof is stupid.
This whole thing is fucking stupid. No one can even conclude whether or not Spades hacked, but have already made up their minds. Mob mentality will kill this community or turn it to shit like /r/starcraft. Thanks to a bunch of UNPROVED ALLEGATIONS, Spades has to quit or else his team will get a lot of hate. Fuck this.
I think the community is actually too generous. In my opinion there should be zero tolerance. He was guilty of hacking in bw so he should of never had the opportunity to play competitively again.
We have attempted to investigate these claims (unfortunately not exhaustively because of how swiftly the rumors spiraled out of control). Our investigation as far as we've been given the time to look into the matter shows that most of the claims are circumstantial at best.
If you would support your members you would keep Spades. If he is depressed by this news you shouldn't fucking drop him like a stone. Just because the internet is mad. You claim to be the good guys? You fuckers are pathetic. What if a player wants to leave your team because he is having shit results? You don't try to cheer him up?
Seriously? You don't have fucking anybody with half a brain cell that can give a better explanation than that? It has been 24 hours and your best guy came up with a couple circumstantial events? -Like the fucking hellions going downwards hugging the fucking wall to run from an invisible army? -Like the game with Avilo? Where he leaves tanks sieged but without air support for 2 minutes? He doesn't even saves scans while doing this? He just uses the one scan after he Avilo tried to move out in like forever? -Like the 3 times he perfectly guessed how Lucifron his army would move on Antiga? -Like the retarded bad positioned viking on Cloud, and the unsiege/siege follow up? And not that there were 4 "circumstances", there were like fucking 50. Like fucking 50.
What about Painuser? Avilo? giX? Illusion? They found the fucking time to watch the replays. Where the fuck was your expert? He wasn't capable to open his Starcraft II because it already spiraled out of control? Are you fucking kidding me? Your expert was on vacation? You have no opinion about this at all Western Wolves?
So what would have happened when the evidence was brought to you by the anonymous source? 24 hours later you would have had all the excuses lined up? Your expert would have found something that exonerate Spades? What is the fucking difference?
This is sooooooooo fucking pathetic.
Spades, in my eyes you did hack. But I don't understand why this has to be such a huge deal. But that is me alone. But if you didn't hack and you got such a fucking shit fucking team, that even though they believe that you didn't hack but they drop you like a fucking stone in the shitpool of being alone, and you will be alone after this, then you are the fucking unluckiest person in SCII.
On June 06 2012 05:07 voy wrote: Are You proud TeamLiquid community? Im really with Nerchio on this one. 1 million map hakcing specialists here, from bronze to master.
The hacking community itself is laughing at how bad TL understands hacks. It was plain obvious what Spades using wasn't a maphack, but a bunch of misinformation about how camera lock works led to the entire community believing in Spades supposed hacking.
How? I can link you the hack and link the thread where someone on the hacking site said that its obvious he hacked who is a elder member on the site. Who also has more post than the hacker who said it doesnt work like that.
Hey man they are hackers on a hacking forum, obviously they are unbiased to the whole situation and will tell the absolute truth!
How are hackers biased about this situation? How do they benefit from Spades being a hacker or not being a hacker one way or the other? Why would they prefer to believe he is a hacker or isn't a hacker?
I'm just saying, just because some " hackers " on a hacking website claim something to be the truth does not mean that it is. Some people were saying It's absolute proof he is not hacking because some people posted he was not. Someone earlier in the thread also showed an example of a person ( with a high post count ) on that forum saying he DID hack.
Also maybe some of them know Spades, is that so hard to believe?
Wtf, I don't understand Spades decision to leave the team... if I were he, I would've fought the accussations... I was neutral in the whole issue, and I still am, but I think all this does will feed the trolls.
Definitely saw this coming. Whether he's guilty of not, it's a really sad situation.
To Spades: If you're not guilty; keep your chin up and work your ass off. If something like this makes you give up your dream, then you don't deserve to be chasing it. In the chance that you are guilty; please leave and never come back.
EPT
