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This is not the place to argue whether or not spades hacked, do that in the relevant thread please. (this is in effect page 10 onward) | ||
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Catatonic
United States699 Posts
On June 06 2012 04:58 surfacegnome wrote: If he was innocent I don't think he would have left his team. Acctually if he were guilty he wouldve stayed on the team and soaked up as much money as he could rather then leave so their name couldn't be weighed down by the effects of a witch hunt. | ||
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MuseMike
United States1339 Posts
On June 06 2012 04:55 hyptonic wrote: sucks, guess it was needed with people giving him (unwarranted, surely) death threats if he attended lans, there was no other choice. We know these death threats were real? | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On June 06 2012 05:22 oZii wrote: How? I can link you the hack and link the thread where someone on the hacking site said that its obvious he hacked who is a elder member on the site. Who also has more post than the hacker who said it doesnt work like that. Hey man they are hackers on a hacking forum, obviously they are unbiased to the whole situation and will tell the absolute truth! | ||
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AsymptoticClimax
United Kingdom249 Posts
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On June 06 2012 04:57 Benjamin99 wrote: Witch hunt? I call it justice matter infact Blizzard should sue him for damaging the spirit of online competive play. Dont feel sorry for him feel sorry for the players he cheated! Except that he never had a fair shot. This community jumps all over anyone accused of anything. If Spades is not guilty it does not even matter anymore. He has lost his team and a fair bit more of his reputation. I sincerely hope that TL mods delete posts like the one in question in the future until better evidence is found and the accused has a shot to defend himself. | ||
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Glurkenspurk
United States1915 Posts
Good riddance. | ||
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McFeser
United States2458 Posts
On June 06 2012 05:19 ch33psh33p wrote: The hacking community itself is laughing at how bad TL understands hacks. It was plain obvious what Spades using wasn't a maphack, but a bunch of misinformation about how camera lock works led to the entire community believing in Spades supposed hacking. Elaborate. Incontrol and IdrA both believe that he maphacked. They have outlived the current hacking community and have seen away with hackers in Broodwar. They word, in addition to the damning testimony of his former teammates, the ongoing anaylisis, would make the case that Spades is the fishiest player out there. Nerchio is the on dissenting pro, and when he commented he admitted to be tired and not being able to look into it fully. How are we misinformed? | ||
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Sleight
2471 Posts
On June 06 2012 05:19 Catatonic wrote: Not at all the team looked into it an even they themselves deemed it he dosn't map hack. People witch hunting him like you and others have damaged his reputation for having done things he never did. Apparently studying someone who does the same thing on the same maps makes you a hacker rather then just meta gaming them. Iv seen the games and reviewed them and come to the conclusion of Western Wolves. If he were truly guilty he would have stayed on the team rather then staying an because of his destroyed rep damage the team as well. Thats actually the reverse of guilt so please quit it with the false accusations cause they're wrong on every level and a good guys rep is now destroyed cause of a witch hunt that was brought forth based on false accusations and probably someones love of lucifron. The team actually was very careful to explicitly say that they *aren't convinced, but that there is circumstantial evidence of foul play.* I would suggest you reread the OP more carefully. The team gave a reply that made it so IF it is proven he hacks, they can say they weren't trying to hide it. Spades gave a reply that indicates he doesn't want inquiry to go on further. One thing they clearly didn't say is that they found Spades innocent. They said they don't have conclusive evidence of cheating, so we should presume innocence.. The two are not the same. If I commit a crime and the police have some evidence but not enough to convict me, they aren't required to determine today if I did it. They can collect more evidence and try me at a time they think is more complete. There exist places between innocence and guilt in the eye's of the law. | ||
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Arco
United States2090 Posts
On June 06 2012 05:21 sureshot_ wrote: Combine that with his tourny performance and he reeks of hacking with or without that series with LucifroN Not to mention his offline winrate against Artist TvT was >10%. Yet he goes onto nearly take out LucifroN, who 4-0'ed ThorZaiN, who can take down Koreans in TvT at LAN's. | ||
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Evangelist
1246 Posts
On June 06 2012 05:15 Tump wrote: Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. Except it won't, because you see everything before it happens. This made me laugh. He hacked. What I find more remarkable is how good Lucifron was to beat someone maphacking in a Bo7. | ||
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MuseMike
United States1339 Posts
On June 06 2012 05:04 blade55555 wrote: They were in BW when they did it. You think they went unpunished? Nope they didn't (and I don't remember if haypro hacked or not but I know he did something that was cheating). Did you know spades hacked in bw to and got caught? Now in sc2 there is a chance he did hack and got caught? If so 2 times, he has been allowed to play and everything nobody has cared but any hacker who is caught now will not be playing anymore nor forgiven for a long long time (if ever) in the starcraft community now of days. Dragon cheated in SC2 and he has been forgiven. People bring up TT1 cheating more than Dragon, which is weird considering Dragon cheated in SC2 not BW. | ||
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hend
Brazil38 Posts
On June 06 2012 05:21 mememolly wrote: why didn't he stream the replays himself and talk through his decisions and reasons for the "dodgy" moments? that's what i want to know too! | ||
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Pwnzer
United States617 Posts
On topic: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. I think if he is in fact guilty of hacking, considering his admitting to hacking previously in BW, than he should be black listed like so many people are suggesting. | ||
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RolleMcKnolle
Germany1054 Posts
 From now on I will always root for you spades. | ||
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infinitum
United States83 Posts
Circumstantial evidence my ass. When you have mountains of circumstantial evidence from different sources, it's enough to conclude guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. | ||
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Masvidal
Korea (South)213 Posts
On June 06 2012 04:58 surfacegnome wrote: If he was innocent I don't think he would have left his team. Says the 1 post guy. Even the OP had 1 post, the guy that started the whole witch hunt. I have a suspicion that this whole thing was stirred up by one or two "spades haters", and now its gone beyond the point of no return. Cheat accusations should be bannable offenses by TL from now on, UNTIL a PM to mods is given by a respected community member. | ||
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BoZiffer
United States1841 Posts
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
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Jinsho
United Kingdom3101 Posts
On June 06 2012 04:53 Daitakk wrote: Guilty as fuck. Yes, I agree. Definitely guilty. | ||
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Aunvilgod
2653 Posts
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