|
This is not the place to argue whether or not spades hacked, do that in the relevant thread please.
(this is in effect page 10 onward) |
On June 06 2012 05:07 voy wrote:
Are You proud TeamLiquid community? Im really with Nerchio on this one. 1 million map hakcing specialists here, from bronze to master.
The hacking community itself is laughing at how bad TL understands hacks. It was plain obvious what Spades using wasn't a maphack, but a bunch of misinformation about how camera lock works led to the entire community believing in Spades supposed hacking.
|
First of all, evidence of hacking will almost ALWAYS be 'circumstantial', read this:
On June 06 2012 04:59 Starshaped wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 04:48 caradoc wrote:On June 06 2012 04:29 Starshaped wrote:OK; everyone open up the game on Cloud Kingdom and go to ~9:50. Better proof cannot be asked for. Blacklist this hacker. To me, 9:50 isn't evidence at all. Sure if you have both players vision on, it looks suspicious because of ognis' army positioning, but if you look at Spades' view, he moves right right after he builds extra production facilities. Kill natural -> build barracks -> resume attack on main. No breaks in between, and the entire sequence is logical. I'm not sure you watched the right part...? Basically, Spades sieges up, then un-sieges only to near-instantly re-siege without reason. Of course, it makes total sense if Spades was able to see the bio ball moving towards him, but watching the replay you see that Spades had no such vision (but he probably thought he did). Meanwhile, Spades' player-cam is focused on the high-ground of his opponent at the same time the bio ball is moving towards him on the high-ground. It doesn't get better than this. If this is not enough proof then no hacker will ever get convicted because you are asking for the near-impossible (100% solid proof). People saying "innocent until 100% proven guilty" are clearly too blue-eyed and haven't had to deal with hackers in the past. I come from the hack-infested WC3 scene of 2007-present, and trust me if nobody was labelled a hacker until there was actual solid proof, NONE OF THE BLATANT HACKERS WOULD BE CALLED OUT. You just CANNOT expect hard evidence, so stop asking for it. Situations like the game on Cloud Kingdom are as good as it gets, and similar situations are found throughout the show-match, coupled with his very peculiar map-orientation it is as damming as it will ever get.
Second of all, Spades, this is the exact place and time to talk about this. Dodging it like you are is just more proof that you hack.
Good riddance to a terrible hacker is all I can say. The best part is that your real name and identity is now stained forever, so you can't simply just remake a new account and get right back to hacking (well, you can, but you won't be able to play on a team or at LANs). You're done for good, kid.
Hopefully this will act as somewhat of a deterrent to any would-be hackers.
|
Feel sorry for him as a community? I feel sorry for the community to have a hacker among us...
|
On June 06 2012 05:15 zawk9 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 05:11 setzer wrote:On June 06 2012 05:00 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Why would he leave if he wasn't guilty, unless completely called out by TeamLiquid or having a full set of pro-gamers analyze the games,it just makes you look like you felt your guilt and decided to leave. Why did Sangho quit BW when he didn't map-hack? Why are professionals fired from their careers based on hearsay and false accusations? No longer do we live in societies where people are innocent until proven guilty in the eyes of the public. As soon as that first accusation is brought out the crowd opinion instantly latches on to that and brands the accused guilty, without deciding before all information is brought onto the table. With instant media and many outlets for others to express opinions, people are easily caught up and believe incomplete, sometimes completely false, information and it spirals out of control. You say that like we ever actually did outside of the legal system. Mob witch hunts certainly didn't magically begin with the digital age.
That's true, but at least the "public" back then was the few people around whatever incident that happened. With the Internet, it is everyone, and that completely changes how anyone who is being accused, rightfully or wrongly, can continue to live.
|
On June 06 2012 05:17 algorithm0r wrote:
Disgusting the role TL played in this. The OP admits he has not had time to properly look into the accusation and the team manager is one of the only people who can legitimately claim wrong doing against Spades if he was cheating.
TL let this mess get out of control and now we have a prompt retiring of a person whose only crime may be "stealing" ladder points from noobs, and whose trial has been the loud bleats of a QQing public.
TL mods: Seriously consider changing your policy on the hate threads.
If TL doesn't allow it here people will go to Reddit or somewhere else to discuss it, you can't just censor it and expect it to disappear.
|
Sometimes I wish Blizzard had sponsors all these angry people could email whenever there isn't enough drama to go around. Maybe then Browder would get fired and we could have LAN.
|
On June 06 2012 05:19 goldenwitch wrote:
This is really getting out of hand. We need more people who don't give a fuck about what all the naysayers think to make you people understand that you only have the power that these nice, kind, and generous PRODUCTIVE members of the community give you.
If you keep this up, the only thing we will have left is Idra.
It got out of hand the moment some random made a thread about Spades hacking, without proof of any kind, only claims.
|
On June 06 2012 05:17 algorithm0r wrote:
Disgusting the role TL played in this. The OP admits he has not had time to properly look into the accusation and the team manager is one of the only people who can legitimately claim wrong doing against Spades if he was cheating.
TL let this mess get out of control and now we have a prompt retiring of a person whose only crime may be "stealing" ladder points from noobs, and whose trial has been the loud bleats of a QQing public.
TL mods: Seriously consider changing your policy on the hate threads.
If you think a pro player, even a semi pro player maphacking is just "stealing ladder points from noobs" then you are beyond reasoning with.
|
why didn't he stream the replays himself and talk through his decisions and reasons for the "dodgy" moments?
|
Well seems like he feels a bit guilty himself :/ I wonder if there will ever be definite proof of his guilt/innocence.
|
On June 06 2012 05:04 toiletCAT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 05:03 Awesomeness wrote:On June 06 2012 05:00 31415926535 wrote:On June 06 2012 04:57 Benjamin99 wrote:On June 06 2012 04:54 toiletCAT wrote:
Succesful witch hunt is succesful.
I feel sorry for him and the community. Witch hunt? I call it justice matter infact Blizzard should sue him for damaging the spirit of online competive play. Dont feel sorry for him feel sorry for the players he cheated! We have no real proof that he cheated. I'd like to have the time to analyze any pro's replays pack, I'm sure I could find a lot of "suspicious evidence". Now, I don't say spades didn't cheat, I really don't know, but I just think he deserved a fair "trial" and that's really not what he got. Judge Catz gave him a fair trial and he was found guilty. Who is CatZ to judge that? Face it, we don't know he hacked or not.
A peer with nothing to gain from Spades being found guilty.
|
On June 06 2012 05:19 Tump wrote:
Guy can't get into top masters one day, gets to GM #1 and beats good Koreans like oGsVINES the next.
Hacker 100%.
Combine that with his tourny performance and he reeks of hacking with or without that series with LucifroN
|
On June 06 2012 05:19 goldenwitch wrote:
This is really getting out of hand. We need more people who don't give a fuck about what all the naysayers think to make you people understand that you only have the power that these nice, kind, and generous PRODUCTIVE members of the community give you.
If you keep this up, the only thing we will have left is Idra.
Well good becuase atleast Idra doesnt cheat!
|
Fight it, go to MLG show results on live events "proof" people your skill is legit. That's the only way to get your reputation fixed.
Weather you are guilty or innocent i care not, but you giving up right away is so wrong and will only feed to that "cheater" reputation.
Grow a pair and prove the world wrong, feed on the shit people throw at you and crush at MLG's lans and what not. Don't leave a team and cry in a corner.
|
On June 06 2012 05:19 ch33psh33p wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 05:07 voy wrote:
Are You proud TeamLiquid community? Im really with Nerchio on this one. 1 million map hakcing specialists here, from bronze to master.
The hacking community itself is laughing at how bad TL understands hacks. It was plain obvious what Spades using wasn't a maphack, but a bunch of misinformation about how camera lock works led to the entire community believing in Spades supposed hacking.
How? I can link you the hack and link the thread where someone on the hacking site said that its obvious he hacked who is a elder member on the site. Who also has more post than the hacker who said it doesnt work like that.
|
Not really a witch hunt. Witches (magical broom-riding hags) don't exist. Hackers do. Spades was one of them in BW (or so I've heard.)
Neither TL or the OP of the accusation thread drowned him or pushed him off a cliff (ruined his career). He committed suicide (retired) before the 'trial' could even begin.
Guilty.
|
On June 06 2012 05:21 Benjamin99 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 05:19 goldenwitch wrote:
This is really getting out of hand. We need more people who don't give a fuck about what all the naysayers think to make you people understand that you only have the power that these nice, kind, and generous PRODUCTIVE members of the community give you.
If you keep this up, the only thing we will have left is Idra. Well good becuase atleast Idra doesnt cheat!
Aren't you going to find out?
|
If he hacked, good. If he didn't hack, fuck this community and everything about it.
|
Oh KESPA, where art thou?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
