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This is not the place to argue whether or not spades hacked, do that in the relevant thread please.

(this is in effect page 10 onward)
tsuxiit
Profile Joined July 2010
1305 Posts
June 05 2012 20:11 GMT
#81
That was quick.
toiletCAT
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Qatar284 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 20:12:47
June 05 2012 20:11 GMT
#82
On June 06 2012 05:09 Awesomeness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 05:04 toiletCAT wrote:
On June 06 2012 05:03 Awesomeness wrote:
On June 06 2012 05:00 31415926535 wrote:
On June 06 2012 04:57 Benjamin99 wrote:
On June 06 2012 04:54 toiletCAT wrote:
Succesful witch hunt is succesful.

I feel sorry for him and the community.


Witch hunt? I call it justice matter infact Blizzard should sue him for damaging the spirit of online competive play. Dont feel sorry for him feel sorry for the players he cheated!

We have no real proof that he cheated. I'd like to have the time to analyze any pro's replays pack, I'm sure I could find a lot of "suspicious evidence".
Now, I don't say spades didn't cheat, I really don't know, but I just think he deserved a fair "trial" and that's really not what he got.


Judge Catz gave him a fair trial and he was found guilty.


Who is CatZ to judge that? Face it, we don't know he hacked or not.


Did you even watch it? Yeah we don't know, but there is really conclusive evidence. Saying Spades didn't cheat is like saying O.J. Simpson is innocent at this point.


So you don't know but you believe there's conclusive evidence?

"Yeah guys, we don't know if he hacked, but we sure got rid of him anyway!"
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
June 05 2012 20:11 GMT
#83
On June 06 2012 05:04 toiletCAT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 05:03 Awesomeness wrote:
On June 06 2012 05:00 31415926535 wrote:
On June 06 2012 04:57 Benjamin99 wrote:
On June 06 2012 04:54 toiletCAT wrote:
Succesful witch hunt is succesful.

I feel sorry for him and the community.


Witch hunt? I call it justice matter infact Blizzard should sue him for damaging the spirit of online competive play. Dont feel sorry for him feel sorry for the players he cheated!

We have no real proof that he cheated. I'd like to have the time to analyze any pro's replays pack, I'm sure I could find a lot of "suspicious evidence".
Now, I don't say spades didn't cheat, I really don't know, but I just think he deserved a fair "trial" and that's really not what he got.


Judge Catz gave him a fair trial and he was found guilty.


Who is CatZ to judge that? Face it, we don't know he hacked or not.


While Catz and Drewbie are great players, they're not experts on SC2 hacks, how they work, or how the SC2 replay system records and displays actions.
yawnoC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States3704 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 20:13:47
June 05 2012 20:12 GMT
#84
Honestly was a good decision by him. Especially with the way the community has been about contacting sponsors. Everyone is saying "good makes him look guilty" when they know at the same exact time other people, or they themselves, are contacting WW sponsors about "them having a hacker on there team" and how "they won't support them"

I have no opinion on if he hacks or not. Most of the information seems to be inconsistent so far so I am waiting until after MLG and WCS to full make my opinion on it.
GG - UNiVeRsE is the best player in the WORLD
andReslic
Profile Joined January 2012
216 Posts
June 05 2012 20:13 GMT
#85
On June 06 2012 04:59 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:
People who are innocent leave their teams right? O no, they don't. This guy is completely clueless, EVERYTHING he does makes him seem more guilty

This.

For people that wants him to keep him in the community, he hacked, you should accept it, and keeping him in the community is like accepting map hackers play at high level.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
June 05 2012 20:13 GMT
#86
On June 06 2012 05:11 toiletCAT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 05:09 Awesomeness wrote:
On June 06 2012 05:04 toiletCAT wrote:
On June 06 2012 05:03 Awesomeness wrote:
On June 06 2012 05:00 31415926535 wrote:
On June 06 2012 04:57 Benjamin99 wrote:
On June 06 2012 04:54 toiletCAT wrote:
Succesful witch hunt is succesful.

I feel sorry for him and the community.


Witch hunt? I call it justice matter infact Blizzard should sue him for damaging the spirit of online competive play. Dont feel sorry for him feel sorry for the players he cheated!

We have no real proof that he cheated. I'd like to have the time to analyze any pro's replays pack, I'm sure I could find a lot of "suspicious evidence".
Now, I don't say spades didn't cheat, I really don't know, but I just think he deserved a fair "trial" and that's really not what he got.


Judge Catz gave him a fair trial and he was found guilty.


Who is CatZ to judge that? Face it, we don't know he hacked or not.


Did you even watch it? Yeah we don't know, but there is really conclusive evidence. Saying Spades didn't cheat is like saying O.J. Simpson is innocent at this point.


So you don't know but you believe there's conclusive evidence?


I think the second MJ Case is a better analogy. Everyone assumed MJ was guilty because of prior suspicions that he was a pedophile, which were settled out of court. The second case turned out to be an elaborate con.


Alou
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States3748 Posts
June 05 2012 20:14 GMT
#87
Really wish people had more time and patience to look at everything before going crazy and calling him guilty. Definitely some things worth looking into, but nothing really seems all that proven yet.
Life is Good.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
June 05 2012 20:14 GMT
#88
Saddest let down... Probably one of the most talented players out there. I remember a time where he was in Korea and probably having a shot at Code S with incredible skill, fashion sense and kindness. Oh boy, those were the days...
I would like to see him become like the sickest LoL coach or something, where his numerous gifts won't be wasted. Regardless, I will continue cheering for him, I hope he will be at MLG to compete with many many fans from all around the world, bathed in happiness and love.
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
June 05 2012 20:14 GMT
#89
if you were innocent you wouldn't quit, rank #1 on GM NA just quits because of a few dodgy replays? unlikely
toiletCAT
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Qatar284 Posts
June 05 2012 20:14 GMT
#90
On June 06 2012 05:13 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 05:11 toiletCAT wrote:
On June 06 2012 05:09 Awesomeness wrote:
On June 06 2012 05:04 toiletCAT wrote:
On June 06 2012 05:03 Awesomeness wrote:
On June 06 2012 05:00 31415926535 wrote:
On June 06 2012 04:57 Benjamin99 wrote:
On June 06 2012 04:54 toiletCAT wrote:
Succesful witch hunt is succesful.

I feel sorry for him and the community.


Witch hunt? I call it justice matter infact Blizzard should sue him for damaging the spirit of online competive play. Dont feel sorry for him feel sorry for the players he cheated!

We have no real proof that he cheated. I'd like to have the time to analyze any pro's replays pack, I'm sure I could find a lot of "suspicious evidence".
Now, I don't say spades didn't cheat, I really don't know, but I just think he deserved a fair "trial" and that's really not what he got.


Judge Catz gave him a fair trial and he was found guilty.


Who is CatZ to judge that? Face it, we don't know he hacked or not.


Did you even watch it? Yeah we don't know, but there is really conclusive evidence. Saying Spades didn't cheat is like saying O.J. Simpson is innocent at this point.


So you don't know but you believe there's conclusive evidence?


I think the second MJ Case is a better analogy. Everyone assumed MJ was guilty because of prior suspicions that he was a pedophile, which were settled out of court. The second case turned out to be an elaborate con.




There's much more to a murder case than to a guy hacking in videogames.
Durp
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada3117 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 20:16:09
June 05 2012 20:14 GMT
#91
Pretty disgusting that it spiraled to this point. Our community as a whole has disappointed me, as all the armchair investigators have gone out of their way to try to damage the guy's career.

Ultimately, the decision on whether or not he was a hacker should've been left to Blizzard. When hackers are reported they review the case, and most (if not all) confirmed hackers are banned/demoted to perma-bronze.

There was no conclusive evidence (I myself did not think he hacked personally) and now the guy's career is, at this point, in question. Frankly I think we should be ashamed.

Good luck in your future endeavors Spades, I loved your play and you have a fan in me.
SOOOOOooooOOOOooooOOOOoo Many BANELINGS!!
Penecks
Profile Joined August 2010
United States600 Posts
June 05 2012 20:14 GMT
#92
Let's look at it this way, if Spades was guilty, then he got what he deserved. If he was innocent, at least his martyrdom should make an impact on any progamer, low or high level, that the community backlash to maphacking is devastating, and that people will not hesitate to go full detective style on your shit.

If innocent, is the career of Spades worth the possible abandonment of hacks by others or those that planned to use them? I can't make that call, but it seems like the only positive out of this whole situation.
straight poppin
zawk9
Profile Joined March 2011
United States427 Posts
June 05 2012 20:15 GMT
#93
On June 06 2012 05:11 setzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 05:00 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Why would he leave if he wasn't guilty, unless completely called out by TeamLiquid or having a full set of pro-gamers analyze the games,it just makes you look like you felt your guilt and decided to leave.


Why did Sangho quit BW when he didn't map-hack?
Why are professionals fired from their careers based on hearsay and false accusations?

No longer do we live in societies where people are innocent until proven guilty in the eyes of the public. As soon as that first accusation is brought out the crowd opinion instantly latches on to that and brands the accused guilty, without deciding before all information is brought onto the table. With instant media and many outlets for others to express opinions, people are easily caught up and believe incomplete, sometimes completely false, information and it spirals out of control.


You say that like we ever actually did outside of the legal system. Mob witch hunts certainly didn't magically begin with the digital age.
there's a bug in the new patch where the other player keeps killing all my dudes.. please nerf this
NOOBALOPSE
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada802 Posts
June 05 2012 20:15 GMT
#94
Good riddance.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 20:17:52
June 05 2012 20:15 GMT
#95
Well that's a way to say "i hacked"

I read some comments, im stunned to read so many people still defend him
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
NOOBALOPSE
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada802 Posts
June 05 2012 20:15 GMT
#96
On June 06 2012 04:58 BlitchizSC2 wrote:
Good riddance.

My thoughts exactly
Arco
Profile Joined September 2009
United States2090 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 20:16:25
June 05 2012 20:15 GMT
#97
Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

Except it won't, because you see everything before it happens.
sureshot_
Profile Joined August 2010
United States257 Posts
June 05 2012 20:15 GMT
#98
On June 06 2012 05:11 toiletCAT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 05:09 Awesomeness wrote:
On June 06 2012 05:04 toiletCAT wrote:
On June 06 2012 05:03 Awesomeness wrote:
On June 06 2012 05:00 31415926535 wrote:
On June 06 2012 04:57 Benjamin99 wrote:
On June 06 2012 04:54 toiletCAT wrote:
Succesful witch hunt is succesful.

I feel sorry for him and the community.


Witch hunt? I call it justice matter infact Blizzard should sue him for damaging the spirit of online competive play. Dont feel sorry for him feel sorry for the players he cheated!

We have no real proof that he cheated. I'd like to have the time to analyze any pro's replays pack, I'm sure I could find a lot of "suspicious evidence".
Now, I don't say spades didn't cheat, I really don't know, but I just think he deserved a fair "trial" and that's really not what he got.


Judge Catz gave him a fair trial and he was found guilty.


Who is CatZ to judge that? Face it, we don't know he hacked or not.


Did you even watch it? Yeah we don't know, but there is really conclusive evidence. Saying Spades didn't cheat is like saying O.J. Simpson is innocent at this point.


So you don't know but you believe there's conclusive evidence?

"Yeah guys, we don't know if he hacked, but we sure got rid of him anyway!"


Do you have any idea how circumstantial evidence works? There's a limit as for how much circumstantial evidence proves something is conclusive and you obviously think that threshold is much lower than him. No one will EVER know for sure (it's the same for a certain percentage of previous hackers who get banned).
Alacar
Profile Joined April 2011
15 Posts
June 05 2012 20:16 GMT
#99
This is stupid. You haven't even let the TL mods have their say with the evidence compiled yet. If I was "caught", had my entire career on the line, and was innocent you can bet your ass I wouldn't immediately quit. I would do whatever I could to defend myself. Quitting in just over 24 hours before TL has said anything is a complete joke.
Smackzilla
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States539 Posts
June 05 2012 20:16 GMT
#100
On June 06 2012 04:57 OzkanTheFlip wrote:
Spades, no1 wants you quit, worst case scenario is you made a mistake and hopefully admit to it and grow some balls your still going to do well.


Actually, there's a lot of people who would permanently blackball him if he admitted to hacking, and they'd be right to do so. There should be zero tolerance for hacking, especially if SC2 is to be considered a real sport worthy of financial support and investment.
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