EPTSpades retires from Western Wolves - Page 4
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This is not the place to argue whether or not spades hacked, do that in the relevant thread please. (this is in effect page 10 onward) | ||
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Steelo_Rivers
United States1968 Posts
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mememolly
4765 Posts
On June 06 2012 05:07 toiletCAT wrote: CatZ's "evidence" was later proven to be inaccurate and invalid. no it wasn't | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On June 06 2012 04:59 Galetmonster wrote: Good riddance american cheater Why did I read this in a french accent? | ||
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Garmer
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radscorpion9
Canada2252 Posts
On June 06 2012 05:06 TheLesser wrote: If he didn't hack, it is a huge shame. In the very least, he'll serve as an example to all future hackers. Well he did hack in the past; so it is a good lesson in the sense that you should never hack, as people are more likely to accuse you of doing it in the future even if you aren't or there isn't conclusive evidence against you. If I remember correctly, Incontrol was saying on the latest state of the game that the community needs to take a much harder stance on hacking. Even if in this case it wasn't true, it may be justified in that light. | ||
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Hurricane Sponge
868 Posts
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Nokshalees
United States120 Posts
On June 06 2012 04:54 toiletCAT wrote: Succesful witch hunt is succesful. I feel sorry for him and the community. Bro u high or something | ||
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ShatterZer0
United States1843 Posts
On June 06 2012 04:59 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote: People who are innocent leave their teams right? O no, they don't. This guy is completely clueless, EVERYTHING he does makes him seem more guilty Regardless of if he was innocent or guilty, leaving his team was the right decision. Why bite the hand that fed you by sticking it out on a year long contract and making the team "That Team with the fucking cheater on it" and himself "The guy who's so shameless that he's milking that poor fuck of a cheater's team"? It's noble if he's innocent, and a shrewd move if he's guilty and pretending to be innocent. It shows he's willing to keep whatever goodwill he's garnered with a team rather than piss it away when he's realized he's at the end of his rope. I can't say I feel for him, I think his replays were just about irrefutable, but leaving his team in the most amicable way possible should never be considered a bad thing. | ||
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BlackCloud
Canada154 Posts
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Killmouse
Austria5700 Posts
On June 06 2012 05:07 toiletCAT wrote: CatZ's "evidence" was later proven to be inaccurate and invalid. not all of them just the one about scan | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On June 06 2012 05:06 mememolly wrote: there is conclusive evidence though, did you even watch catz's analysis? Sorry, but the magic scans were explained as a glitch in how replays record actions by Axeltoss. And not looking at the fog of war during the showmatch isn't conclusive. It's weird as hell, but enough to ruin a guy? I don't know ... | ||
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Synche
United States1345 Posts
On June 06 2012 05:01 tetsuo9 wrote: People will manage to find other stuff to ruin people's life. Like money earned, days of vacation, time spent playing other games, time spent with girlfriends, CO2 footprint, excesive traveling, among others. Hasn't happened yet. Instead of activating the slippery slope argument to defend the murderers, shouldn't we cross those punative measures when they start becoming too intrusive, instead of becoming future infraction cops ala Minority Report? | ||
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schaf
Germany1326 Posts
Sorry Spades, It's just the way things go as it seems | ||
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Awesomeness
Germany1361 Posts
On June 06 2012 05:04 toiletCAT wrote: Who is CatZ to judge that? Face it, we don't know he hacked or not. Did you even watch it? Yeah we don't know, but there is really conclusive evidence. Saying Spades didn't cheat is like saying O.J. Simpson is innocent at this point. | ||
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Kerm
France467 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45380 Posts
On June 06 2012 04:53 Daitakk wrote: Guilty as fuck. LOL at that first response... the rest pretty much followed suit. But I think it's a pretty good point. You don't leave *just* because of an accusation. You leave because the accusation leads to a trial which will uncover something. I would kind of like to see some closure on the case though. | ||
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sureshot_
United States257 Posts
Regardless of whether I'm found “innocent” or “guilty” in the public eye, my reputation as a pro gamer is damaged severely. Can anyone explain to me what that thread did besides create 130 pages of non-sense in under 24 hours. What exactly did anyone do to damage his career? If it's just haters, then he needs to get over it. If he's innocent his career shouldn't be damaged at all. If the evidence is inconclusive his career shouldn't be damaged at all. If people jumped the gun again and complained to sponsors then those people need to get the fuck out. | ||
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Bascal
United States30 Posts
On June 06 2012 04:57 Doodsmack wrote: Sorry but the fog of war discrepancies between the showmatch replays and a random sample of his ladder replays are more than circumstantial. This is exactly what I'm thinking. WW is casting themselves in a negative light by continuing to back Spades on this. Now I'm not saying they have to throw him under the bus but they are clearly being blind to so pretty conclusive evidence of cheating. That comes off as a very questionable practice as a team. I hope this doesn't follow the team because of it. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On June 06 2012 05:09 Defacer wrote: Sorry, but the magic scans were explained as a glitch in how replays record actions by Axeltoss. And not looking at the fog of war during the showmatch isn't conclusive. It's weird as hell, but enough to ruin a guy? I don't know ... there was plenty of more evidence that Catz and co. showed. not to mention the accusations of former teammates and managers. | ||
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
On June 06 2012 05:00 NovemberstOrm wrote: Why would he leave if he wasn't guilty, unless completely called out by TeamLiquid or having a full set of pro-gamers analyze the games,it just makes you look like you felt your guilt and decided to leave. Why did Sangho quit BW when he didn't map-hack? Why are professionals fired from their careers based on hearsay and false accusations? No longer do we live in societies where people are innocent until proven guilty in the eyes of the public. As soon as that first accusation is brought out the crowd opinion instantly latches on to that and brands the accused guilty, without deciding before all information is brought onto the table. With instant media and many outlets for others to express opinions, people are easily caught up and believe incomplete, sometimes completely false, information and it spirals out of control. Spades being guilty or innocent won't ever clear his name in the public and that automatically makes him a risky investment for sponsors and teams. Whatever the outcome, Spade's professional career is most certainly ruined because of crusading and mob-mentality. People need to stop being so emotional over dumb shit, sit back, and wait for actual facts to come out. | ||
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