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This is not the place to argue whether or not spades hacked, do that in the relevant thread please.

(this is in effect page 10 onward)
Trict
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada182 Posts
June 05 2012 20:03 GMT
#41
there is no proof that gives 100% proof that he is hacking, sure there is some evidence that points to that he may be doing it.
Even the pros are split and even the ones saying they think he is arent 100% sure. But what can be said is that this community has destroyed a mans career and future. This needs to be fixed the community wields way to much power and we have 0 idea how to handle it properly. Disgusting, absolutely disgusting.
Thug[ro]
Profile Joined October 2005
Romania340 Posts
June 05 2012 20:03 GMT
#42
On June 06 2012 04:53 Daitakk wrote:
Guilty as fuck.

+1
Man the fuck up and confess
sureshot_
Profile Joined August 2010
United States257 Posts
June 05 2012 20:03 GMT
#43
He pleads innocence yet retires because he feels hit reputation is "damaged?" I feel really sorry for him because if he's truly innocent he's doing everything he possibly can to convince people he's guilty of map hacking lol... That massive shit-storm of a thread has found nothing conclusive.
toiletCAT
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Qatar284 Posts
June 05 2012 20:04 GMT
#44
On June 06 2012 05:03 Awesomeness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 05:00 31415926535 wrote:
On June 06 2012 04:57 Benjamin99 wrote:
On June 06 2012 04:54 toiletCAT wrote:
Succesful witch hunt is succesful.

I feel sorry for him and the community.


Witch hunt? I call it justice matter infact Blizzard should sue him for damaging the spirit of online competive play. Dont feel sorry for him feel sorry for the players he cheated!

We have no real proof that he cheated. I'd like to have the time to analyze any pro's replays pack, I'm sure I could find a lot of "suspicious evidence".
Now, I don't say spades didn't cheat, I really don't know, but I just think he deserved a fair "trial" and that's really not what he got.


Judge Catz gave him a fair trial and he was found guilty.


Who is CatZ to judge that? Face it, we don't know he hacked or not.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
June 05 2012 20:04 GMT
#45
On June 06 2012 05:01 Wubbles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 04:57 dLG)Bananenbaum wrote:
if you HACK for ONE TIME, guess what.
your fuckin out.


Not if you're haypro, tt1, etc


They were in BW when they did it. You think they went unpunished? Nope they didn't (and I don't remember if haypro hacked or not but I know he did something that was cheating).

Did you know spades hacked in bw to and got caught? Now in sc2 there is a chance he did hack and got caught? If so 2 times, he has been allowed to play and everything nobody has cared but any hacker who is caught now will not be playing anymore nor forgiven for a long long time (if ever) in the starcraft community now of days.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
June 05 2012 20:04 GMT
#46
On June 06 2012 04:59 toiletCAT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 04:57 Benjamin99 wrote:
On June 06 2012 04:54 toiletCAT wrote:
Succesful witch hunt is succesful.

I feel sorry for him and the community.


Witch hunt? I call it justice matter infact Blizzard should sue him for damaging the spirit of online competive play. Dont feel sorry for him feel sorry for the players he cheated!


But you don't know if he cheated anyone. It's a witch hunt.


Look at the evidence open you eyes Im not gonna go into details I covered that in the other thread. He cheated plain and simple. He has cheated before and now he have done it again. And the damage this "motherfucker" has created are mindblowing. All competive online games will now be scrutinised.

Actually Im not even sure im gonna watch anymore online tournament becuase of Spades who have now set a precedence that even pro players cheat! Its such a big hit to the scene

If I was working in Blizzard esport department I would sue him just to give a warning to other pro players

Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 20:04:39
June 05 2012 20:04 GMT
#47
Spades may be a hacker ... but the way this community, pro players and website handled it was fucking shameful.

Mob justice ended a career overnight, with no conclusive evidence. Congrats, guys.

Instead of waiting to be proven right we force individuals to prove us wrong. That's fucked up.
Heartscry
Profile Joined May 2012
United Kingdom291 Posts
June 05 2012 20:04 GMT
#48
On June 06 2012 04:59 Galetmonster wrote:
Good riddance american cheater



Oh dear. That's not necessary is it!

Feel sorry for Spades here, simply because he was innocent until properly proven guilty. I thought there was plenty of doubt in a lot of the evidence.

If he genuinely didn't do it - then good luck to him for the rest of his career. If he has done it... probably been punished enough already.
radscorpion9
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada2252 Posts
June 05 2012 20:05 GMT
#49
I personally feel like his departure was premature...most of these reasons are his beliefs, but I don't know if they're based on anything substantial. Maybe if he waited a month he'd find tournaments would still invite him and the majority of people wouldn't care? Now I guess we'll never know, he seems convinced that his image is destroyed without any polling data or response from potential tourney organizers. Oh well, maybe he has some hidden justifications.
Sm1Le
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States179 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 20:05:27
June 05 2012 20:05 GMT
#50
hacker down
toiletCAT
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Qatar284 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 20:06:34
June 05 2012 20:05 GMT
#51
On June 06 2012 05:04 Benjamin99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 04:59 toiletCAT wrote:
On June 06 2012 04:57 Benjamin99 wrote:
On June 06 2012 04:54 toiletCAT wrote:
Succesful witch hunt is succesful.

I feel sorry for him and the community.


Witch hunt? I call it justice matter infact Blizzard should sue him for damaging the spirit of online competive play. Dont feel sorry for him feel sorry for the players he cheated!


But you don't know if he cheated anyone. It's a witch hunt.


Look at the evidence open you eyes Im not gonna go into details I covered that in the other thread. He cheated plain and simple. He has cheated before and now he have done it again. And the damage this "motherfucker" has created are mindblowing. All competive online games will now be scrutinised.

Actually Im not even sure im gonna watch anymore online tournament becuase of Spades who have now set a precedence that even pro players cheat! Its such a big hit to the scene

If I was working in Blizzard esport department I would sue him just to give a warning to other pro players



I did follow the other thread, and there's no evidence, only claims. Face it, you don't know if hacked or not, but you've had it your way, now end it for good.

+ Show Spoiler +
And let's be honest, I think we can all agree that we're happy that you're not in charge of anything e-Sports-related.
fer
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada375 Posts
June 05 2012 20:05 GMT
#52
Spades trying to play the victim now? This is pretty ridiculous, nobody feels sorry for a cheater Spades.
WellPlayed.org <3
Split.
Profile Joined September 2011
Switzerland234 Posts
June 05 2012 20:05 GMT
#53
That was really fast. I don't get why he didn't even bother to wait a little bit to see how much his reputation was really damaged. I mean, he already talks about likely not getting invites from tournaments anymore, 1 day after the accusation?
TheLesser
Profile Joined May 2012
Canada2 Posts
June 05 2012 20:06 GMT
#54
If he didn't hack, it is a huge shame. In the very least, he'll serve as an example to all future hackers.
sm0b
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States157 Posts
June 05 2012 20:06 GMT
#55
On June 06 2012 04:58 BlitchizSC2 wrote:
Good riddance.


^^

I don't feel sorry for you Spades.
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
June 05 2012 20:06 GMT
#56
On June 06 2012 05:04 Defacer wrote:
Spades may be a hacker ... but the way this community, pro players and website handled it was fucking shameful.

Mob justice ended a career overnight, with no conclusive evidence. Congrats, guys.

Instead of waiting to be proven right we force individuals to prove us wrong. That's fucked up.


there is conclusive evidence though, did you even watch catz's analysis?
toiletCAT
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Qatar284 Posts
June 05 2012 20:07 GMT
#57
On June 06 2012 05:06 mememolly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 05:04 Defacer wrote:
Spades may be a hacker ... but the way this community, pro players and website handled it was fucking shameful.

Mob justice ended a career overnight, with no conclusive evidence. Congrats, guys.

Instead of waiting to be proven right we force individuals to prove us wrong. That's fucked up.


there is conclusive evidence though, did you even watch catz's analysis?


CatZ's "evidence" was later proven to be inaccurate and invalid.
Bam Lee
Profile Joined June 2012
2336 Posts
June 05 2012 20:07 GMT
#58
wow means the op of the thread got what he wanted basically. To bad its so hard to prove whether somebody is hacking or not...
voy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland348 Posts
June 05 2012 20:07 GMT
#59
Are You proud TeamLiquid community? Im really with Nerchio on this one. 1 million map hakcing specialists here, from bronze to master.

I'm a man with a dream. And I look good in jeans. graphic designer looking for freelance work.
IcedBacon
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada906 Posts
June 05 2012 20:07 GMT
#60
On June 06 2012 05:01 Wubbles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 04:57 dLG)Bananenbaum wrote:
if you HACK for ONE TIME, guess what.
your fuckin out.


Not if you're haypro, tt1, etc. Community has shown it's capable of forgiving people if they admit to hacking and make amends, etc.


That was in BW. People are agreeing the rules need to be far stricter for StarCraft 2, especially since the scene is so much bigger.
"I went Zerg because Artosis is a douchebag." -IdrA
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