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This is not the place to argue whether or not spades hacked, do that in the relevant thread please.

(this is in effect page 10 onward)
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
June 05 2012 20:16 GMT
#101
goodbye
MC ■ MarineKing ■ LosirA ■ To someone who has lost after trying his best, no words from the winner can console him.
Noruxas
Profile Joined April 2012
Netherlands129 Posts
June 05 2012 20:16 GMT
#102
Good, lets hope all cheaters get out this easy.
MVP - MMA - Flash - Polt - Gumiho - Jiakji - Last
Lyter
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2145 Posts
June 05 2012 20:16 GMT
#103
He reeks of guilt here, you don't need a be a psychologist to see the warning signs in those statements
sekalf
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden522 Posts
June 05 2012 20:16 GMT
#104
Shameful display of mob mentality in this community.
Sryinex
Profile Joined January 2012
United States40 Posts
June 05 2012 20:16 GMT
#105
I hate when cheaters play the victim and never own up to their mistakes, attempting to draw the sympathy crowd as their last hoorah. This is a good thing, and I hope that any others like him have to face the same scrutiny as he saw(not necessarily brought about the same way, but with enough evidence in hand)
Hello friends.
Achilles17
Profile Joined December 2011
United States111 Posts
June 05 2012 20:17 GMT
#106
On June 06 2012 04:53 Daitakk wrote:
Guilty as fuck.

Hilarious how this is the first comment. And might i add, i agree 100%
KevinIX
Profile Joined October 2009
United States2472 Posts
June 05 2012 20:17 GMT
#107
Look at all these disgusting posts. What the fuck is wrong with you all?
Liquid FIGHTING!!!
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
June 05 2012 20:17 GMT
#108
I really wish there was some sort of disciplinary entity that could handle these cases. No matter if he hacked or not, seeing the community handle this in the way it does is just sickening and could never possibly end well.
algorithm0r
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada486 Posts
June 05 2012 20:17 GMT
#109
Disgusting the role TL played in this. The OP admits he has not had time to properly look into the accusation and the team manager is one of the only people who can legitimately claim wrong doing against Spades if he was cheating.

TL let this mess get out of control and now we have a prompt retiring of a person whose only crime may be "stealing" ladder points from noobs, and whose trial has been the loud bleats of a QQing public.

TL mods: Seriously consider changing your policy on the hate threads.
Toasts
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom15 Posts
June 05 2012 20:17 GMT
#110
Gave in way too easy, outside of the replays he did exactly what someone guilty would do. Half-heartedly defend himself then leave the scene.
PrinceVegeta
Profile Joined February 2011
United States118 Posts
June 05 2012 20:18 GMT
#111
You won't be missed.
toiletCAT
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Qatar284 Posts
June 05 2012 20:18 GMT
#112
On June 06 2012 05:15 sureshot_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 05:11 toiletCAT wrote:
On June 06 2012 05:09 Awesomeness wrote:
On June 06 2012 05:04 toiletCAT wrote:
On June 06 2012 05:03 Awesomeness wrote:
On June 06 2012 05:00 31415926535 wrote:
On June 06 2012 04:57 Benjamin99 wrote:
On June 06 2012 04:54 toiletCAT wrote:
Succesful witch hunt is succesful.

I feel sorry for him and the community.


Witch hunt? I call it justice matter infact Blizzard should sue him for damaging the spirit of online competive play. Dont feel sorry for him feel sorry for the players he cheated!

We have no real proof that he cheated. I'd like to have the time to analyze any pro's replays pack, I'm sure I could find a lot of "suspicious evidence".
Now, I don't say spades didn't cheat, I really don't know, but I just think he deserved a fair "trial" and that's really not what he got.


Judge Catz gave him a fair trial and he was found guilty.


Who is CatZ to judge that? Face it, we don't know he hacked or not.


Did you even watch it? Yeah we don't know, but there is really conclusive evidence. Saying Spades didn't cheat is like saying O.J. Simpson is innocent at this point.


So you don't know but you believe there's conclusive evidence?

"Yeah guys, we don't know if he hacked, but we sure got rid of him anyway!"


Do you have any idea how circumstantial evidence works? There's a limit as for how much circumstantial evidence proves something is conclusive and you obviously think that threshold is much lower than him. No one will EVER know for sure (it's the same for a certain percentage of previous hackers who get banned).


Considering the amount of people who are against you, I dare say it's 50/50, which is still not substantial. I won't get further into this -- I'm disappointed in many of you.
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
June 05 2012 20:18 GMT
#113
On June 06 2012 05:16 Alacar wrote:
This is stupid. You haven't even let the TL mods have their say with the evidence compiled yet. If I was "caught", had my entire career on the line, and was innocent you can bet your ass I wouldn't immediately quit. I would do whatever I could to defend myself. Quitting in just over 24 hours before TL has said anything is a complete joke.

Lol, what makes TL mods the highest authority here?

Other than that, I agree.
oZii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1198 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 20:19:54
June 05 2012 20:18 GMT
#114
On June 06 2012 05:16 Alacar wrote:
This is stupid. You haven't even let the TL mods have their say with the evidence compiled yet. If I was "caught", had my entire career on the line, and was innocent you can bet your ass I wouldn't immediately quit. I would do whatever I could to defend myself. Quitting in just over 24 hours before TL has said anything is a complete joke.


Your on a forum man. TL is not Blizzard. They just happen to run the most popular Starcraft 2 site and we are posting in the forums. Its not their job to pass judgement if he is guilty or not. Their job is make sure people stay on topic. Who sends replays to TL mods for replay analysis? Nobody.

There job is to make sure people stay on topic in the forum among other things which is not replay analysis.

They also reopened the thread because they where PM'd by QuanticIllusion. Thats the only reason it was reopened after being closed.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
June 05 2012 20:18 GMT
#115
Good riddance. I'm sad to see he can't bring himself to admit it, but I'm glad he's gone.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46679 Posts
June 05 2012 20:18 GMT
#116
On June 06 2012 05:14 ZenithM wrote:
Saddest let down... Probably one of the most talented players out there. I remember a time where he was in Korea and probably having a shot at Code S with incredible skill, fashion sense and kindness. Oh boy, those were the days...


While it's sad he got forced out so quickly, let's be honest here... he absolutely was not one of the most talented players out there. He wasn't even currently playing for a top tier foreigner team. He never had a chance at Code S. Obviously, no one deserves to have their reputation tarnished unless there's loads of conclusive evidence supporting the claim that he hacks and cheats, but let's call a...

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Spade a Spade.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Catatonic
Profile Joined August 2011
United States699 Posts
June 05 2012 20:19 GMT
#117
On June 06 2012 04:53 Daitakk wrote:
Guilty as fuck.

Not at all the team looked into it an even they themselves deemed it he dosn't map hack. People witch hunting him like you and others have damaged his reputation for having done things he never did. Apparently studying someone who does the same thing on the same maps makes you a hacker rather then just meta gaming them. Iv seen the games and reviewed them and come to the conclusion of Western Wolves. If he were truly guilty he would have stayed on the team rather then staying an because of his destroyed rep damage the team as well. Thats actually the reverse of guilt so please quit it with the false accusations cause they're wrong on every level and a good guys rep is now destroyed cause of a witch hunt that was brought forth based on false accusations and probably someones love of lucifron.
T: DeMuslim SeleCT. P: Naniwa Genius. Z: IdrA Destiny Team: EG
MicroTastiC
Profile Joined January 2011
375 Posts
June 05 2012 20:19 GMT
#118
Good way to hide shame from the community. It would be embarassing to be discovered that you were cheating by your team. It's a great way to start ANOTHER career fresh without seeking an advantage.
goldenwitch
Profile Joined August 2010
United States338 Posts
June 05 2012 20:19 GMT
#119
This is really getting out of hand. We need more people who don't give a fuck about what all the naysayers think to make you people understand that you only have the power that these nice, kind, and generous PRODUCTIVE members of the community give you.

If you keep this up, the only thing we will have left is Idra.
Arco
Profile Joined September 2009
United States2090 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 20:19:58
June 05 2012 20:19 GMT
#120
Guy can't get into top masters one day, gets to GM #1 and beats good Koreans like oGsVINES the next.

Hacker 100%.
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