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This is not the place to argue whether or not spades hacked, do that in the relevant thread please.

(this is in effect page 10 onward)
Terranist
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2496 Posts
June 05 2012 20:32 GMT
#181
he plays and places decently well in LAN events. you people are becoming worse than reddit with this guilty until proven innocent bullshit.
The Show of a Lifetime
Charon1979
Profile Joined October 2010
Austria317 Posts
June 05 2012 20:32 GMT
#182

Ultimately, the decision on whether or not he was a hacker should've been left to Blizzard. When hackers are reported they review the case, and most (if not all) confirmed hackers are banned/demoted to perma-bronze.


I like your view, but sadly its far from reality. I encountered a maphacker on ladder and put him on my fried list. This case was obvious. In a 20 Minute game he didnt even scout the location of my base, had his stalkers always in place when my mutas wanted to poke in and always pushed out when I took my 3rd (without seeing it, even if I put it in weird locations as his unscouted 3rd). Until his final push crushed me he hadnt even a clue where my base was.
That was 2 months ago... guess what? Still playing.

We had a maphacker on the clan which got kicked out because of (guess what) maphacking. Still playing.

Countless bots in lowest bronze to farm pictures? Still"playing"

Im far from "Blizzard does nothing!111!11!!", but they are not exactly fast or thorough with this kind of stuff.

But I agree that Blizzard could be a "Judge" in this matter.

If the Team says "Hold on guys we investigate the case, Spade will refrain from taking part in online tournaments until we are finished investigating. We also emailed Blizzard to investigate his account/replays and will be happy to tell the community of their findings."
Problem solved.
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
June 05 2012 20:32 GMT
#183
On June 06 2012 05:27 Geo.Rion wrote:
Btw guys, I just want to put this out there, around the beta, there was a qualifier for the Hungarian national lineup, and i won the finals 3-0, got accused of maphacking.
I said, it's complete bullshit, mods looked at the replays, there was no real evidence, case solved, the guy who accuse me after losing the finals disappeared.

Compare that to the recent situation. Spade came out and said u can believe whatever u want, and 1 day later he "retires" because his reputation has been dmged.

There is no dmg done by an unproven accusation, i went on the be part of the national lineup and win a national LAN at Budapest later on.

So I hope everyone gets why i say, he's guilty for sure, 100%, and everyone who still defends him is stupid

Cry about whichunts when people are punished severly for minor offences, not when a hacker gets exposed. GJ to whoever started it


You're a nobody, obviously no-one's going to care whether you hack or don't.
I think esports is pretty nice.
raf3776
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1904 Posts
June 05 2012 20:32 GMT
#184
I think people and Spades himself overreacted waaaaaaaaaayyy to much. Spades reputation wasnt killed by this. He was rarely talked about in the first place, he shouldnt be doing all this though
WWJD (What Would Jaedong Do)
sPitcraZy
Profile Joined June 2011
United States24 Posts
June 05 2012 20:32 GMT
#185
1. Stop with the "DO IT AT LAN", according to your logic catz must also be a hacker till he does it at LAN or any other "pro" that has no tournament results. (No results you're all hackers in my eyes now (OH NOOOOOO!!!!!!))

2. Investigation of hacks with BIAS perspectives trying to find "conclusive" evidence with 90% assumptions (REAL SMART...)

3. I feel like there are so many people that lack any authority in their real lives, and finally get that opportunity online and they abuse it.

4. Does this mean a non name in the scene(myself included) can end anyone's career with a simple post (GAME ON!!!!)
Taeyeon + Tiffany + Jiyeon + Eunjung + Nicole + Hara + Hyuna + IU + Yoo Inna
TenJin`Lucian
Profile Joined August 2011
Costa Rica158 Posts
June 05 2012 20:32 GMT
#186
And the 1 post smurf account to make the accusation wins. Shame to see how low the "community" has fallen.
Sryinex
Profile Joined January 2012
United States40 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 20:36:41
June 05 2012 20:33 GMT
#187
Did something need to happen? Yes! Was it handled the right way? No, but I would venture to guess that, that is because there isn't a set procedure that people can reference to go through in a situation like this. If nothing else, this will boost the awareness and hopefully some sort of procedure can be set up so it doesn't happen in the witch-hunt type fashion that has happened here. But to call all of this disgusting and "sickening" stop being overly dramatic and down right wrong. Seriously. In this case the player had a history, and loads of fishy things that were associated with both him & the replays themselves. There was reason for this, albeit not handled the right way. Making a thread like this with no evidence and a person with no cheating history would not yield this type of popularity and would not impact a player at all.

Let's use this as a learning experience and maybe assemble some sort of group of volunteers that can review cases like this before they hit the public eye, then when and if they decide to, the evidence will be very well compiled and easy to reference for proof.
Hello friends.
Riquiz
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands402 Posts
June 05 2012 20:33 GMT
#188
How this all played out is very sad indeed.
He was accused and his career was demolished within what, a day?
This shouldn't have been such a public issue unless there was some real good evidence or such.
This just isn't the way; if he is hacking or not, its still not the right way.
Gl Spades
Caster man does casting on yt/RiquizCasts
Damrak
Profile Joined January 2012
Netherlands124 Posts
June 05 2012 20:33 GMT
#189
On June 06 2012 05:30 plasmidghost wrote:
This whole thing is fucking stupid. No one can even conclude whether or not Spades hacked, but have already made up their minds. Mob mentality will kill this community or turn it to shit like /r/starcraft. Thanks to a bunch of UNPROVED ALLEGATIONS, Spades has to quit or else his team will get a lot of hate. Fuck this.


pretty much 99,999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% sure that he is hacking
xxjondxx
Profile Joined February 2010
United States89 Posts
June 05 2012 20:34 GMT
#190
Half the people are just going by what some pro said. Even if the people who reviewed the replays were trying to do it objectively it was pretty much already impossible to do that. When thousands of people say someone cheated and your looking for suspicious behavior your gonna find it. He may have cheated but even if he didnt how can he show up to lans. You know all the people not just the fans but the competitors all see him as a cheater. Im pretty sure i wouldnt want to go someplace where everyone hates me. Everytime he wins a game online everyone would just say its because he cheated and everytime he lost they will say its because he wasnt hacking. Im not saying he didn't cheat but, people who are saying that because he left his team just proves he did are stupid.
kenwoo
Profile Joined August 2010
United States484 Posts
June 05 2012 20:34 GMT
#191
spades deserves this 150%
Awesomeness
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1361 Posts
June 05 2012 20:34 GMT
#192
On June 06 2012 05:26 Masvidal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 04:58 surfacegnome wrote:
If he was innocent I don't think he would have left his team.

Says the 1 post guy. Even the OP had 1 post, the guy that started the whole witch hunt. I have a suspicion that this whole thing was stirred up by one or two "spades haters", and now its gone beyond the point of no return. Cheat accusations should be bannable offenses by TL from now on, UNTIL a PM to mods is given by a respected community member.


Because guys like Catz and illusion are spades-haters who were doing it for the lolz? Come on...

If a random guy makes a claim like that no one will actually care. But when pros start backing it up and find evidence in the replays you just have to discuss it. Hackers are a problem in pretty much every online game out there and you can't rely on Blizzard to fix everything. I really hate the fake-drama here, but this is nothing like that.
xlord 5:0
crocodile
Profile Joined February 2011
United States615 Posts
June 05 2012 20:34 GMT
#193
First Naniwa, then Orb, then Destiny, now Spades.

Hope you guys are happy. This community SUCKS.
Master League Terran. Huge fan of Quantic Gaming and ROOTDestiny
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 20:38:05
June 05 2012 20:35 GMT
#194
On June 06 2012 05:07 toiletCAT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 05:06 mememolly wrote:
On June 06 2012 05:04 Defacer wrote:
Spades may be a hacker ... but the way this community, pro players and website handled it was fucking shameful.

Mob justice ended a career overnight, with no conclusive evidence. Congrats, guys.

Instead of waiting to be proven right we force individuals to prove us wrong. That's fucked up.


there is conclusive evidence though, did you even watch catz's analysis?


CatZ's "evidence" was later proven to be inaccurate and invalid.


Bullcrap. Don´t post wrong information like this. It was proven that the magic scan was possible. Does not mean it is a logic action to scan somwhere to then not look at it.

Aside from aaall the other ridicolous moments. Like the scan on Shakuras for example. Srslywtf are you writing?



This community cares! This community does not want people to use the word "nigger", this community does not want their frontmen to act like 12 year old kids. This community does not allow hacking.

I love this community and I am proud of it!
ilovegroov | Blizzards mapmaker(s?) suck ass | #1 Protoss hater
bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
June 05 2012 20:35 GMT
#195
"We can't figure out whether he's hacking or not" is not qualitatively different enough from "he's hacking" for Western Wolves to keep him on.
Stay a while and listen || http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=354018
stab2010
Profile Joined May 2012
Denmark4 Posts
June 05 2012 20:35 GMT
#196
On June 06 2012 05:19 Tump wrote:
Guy can't get into top masters one day, gets to GM #1 and beats good Koreans like oGsVINES the next.

Hacker 100%.


Pretty much agree with this
"Blogging isnt writing, its graffiti with punctuation"
LucidityDark
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom139 Posts
June 05 2012 20:35 GMT
#197
This is one of the precise reasons why this community should stop being so dogmatic and stop witch hunting every few weeks. The "guilty until proven innocent" mentality has severely damaged yet another player's reputation to the point where his entire career is very likely to be completely ruined, and we don't even know if Spades hacked or not.
Kyrillion
Profile Joined August 2011
Russian Federation748 Posts
June 05 2012 20:35 GMT
#198
On June 06 2012 05:23 MuseMike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 04:55 hyptonic wrote:
sucks, guess it was needed with people giving him (unwarranted, surely) death threats if he attended lans, there was no other choice.

We know these death threats were real?


I heard they've already prepared the weapon. It is, you know, an axe.
If you seek well, you shall find.
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
June 05 2012 20:35 GMT
#199
On June 06 2012 05:34 crocodile wrote:
First Naniwa, then Orb, then Destiny, now Spades.

Hope you guys are happy. This community SUCKS.


WHAT ?? are you dumb or something?
Maby you wanna now all major tournaments invite Spades ... omg
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ChrysaliS_
Profile Joined January 2011
United States261 Posts
June 05 2012 20:35 GMT
#200
On June 06 2012 05:32 sPitcraZy wrote:
4. Does this mean a non name in the scene(myself included) can end anyone's career with a simple post (GAME ON!!!!)


If that person maphacked in a showmatch and you have overwhelming evidence in support of that accusation, then yes. Don't see what's so hard to understand about this.
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