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This is not the place to argue whether or not spades hacked, do that in the relevant thread please.

(this is in effect page 10 onward)
ErAsc2
Profile Joined May 2012
Sweden256 Posts
June 05 2012 20:36 GMT
#201
On June 06 2012 04:54 toiletCAT wrote:
Succesful witch hunt is succesful.

I feel sorry for him and the community.

Why? The community should witch hunt any kind of cheaters.
Swedish GM Protoss http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2336142/1/MilkEA/
See.Blue
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2673 Posts
June 05 2012 20:36 GMT
#202
Yeah. Innocent or guilty, this was a cop out. Good luck in the future though in whatever you do.
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
June 05 2012 20:36 GMT
#203
this is why good teams don't sign players based on ladder results and online cups
coddan
Profile Joined May 2010
Estonia890 Posts
June 05 2012 20:36 GMT
#204
On June 06 2012 05:34 crocodile wrote:
First Naniwa, then Orb, then Destiny, now Spades.

Hope you guys are happy. This community SUCKS.

Gosh, what kind of world do we live in where people have to face the consequences of their actions! This is truly a horrible day for humanity.
CreatureSC2
Profile Joined July 2010
United States156 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 20:37:14
June 05 2012 20:36 GMT
#205
" Considering a player should be considered innocent until proven guilty and the lack of conclusive proof, we don't believe Spades used maphacks."
This really bothers me that they still don't believe he actually map hacked. Catz, illusion, drewbie and tt1's analysis of the lucifron series made it really obvious that he was map hacking. But I guess I don't really care, I never heard of this team Western Wolves until today. I actually didn't even know spades was on a team.

Just read the mod edit. Sorry for discussing hacks!
MockHamill
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1798 Posts
June 05 2012 20:36 GMT
#206
He is obviously guilty. I do not feel 1% sorry for someone that is cheating.

Maphackers he should be banned for life. In the future I hope the law is improved so that they would go to prison as well.
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
June 05 2012 20:37 GMT
#207
That sucks.
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
June 05 2012 20:37 GMT
#208
Savage tribes would wonder at how clumsy and messy we are with handling such cases.

Death Hand in Dune 2 is more accurate than our methods of judgement here.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
June 05 2012 20:37 GMT
#209
On June 06 2012 05:33 Riquiz wrote:
How this all played out is very sad indeed.
He was accused and his career was demolished within what, a day?
This shouldn't have been such a public issue unless there was some real good evidence or such.
This just isn't the way; if he is hacking or not, its still not the right way.
Gl Spades


This is the first time Im actually proud of our community. I was very sad about the orb/Destiny situation and felt ashamed about our community but this is much more serious. Cheaters/Maphackers can destroy esport in starcraft 2. And i really hope that our community will be even more aware about cheating at a pro level.
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
June 05 2012 20:37 GMT
#210
On June 06 2012 05:36 MockHamill wrote:
He is obviously guilty. I do not feel 1% sorry for someone that is cheating.

Maphackers he should be banned for life. In the future I hope the law is improved so that they would go to prison as well.

LOL, this guy
Stay a while and listen || http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=354018
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 20:48:53
June 05 2012 20:37 GMT
#211
On June 06 2012 05:32 Saechiis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 05:27 Geo.Rion wrote:
Btw guys, I just want to put this out there, around the beta, there was a qualifier for the Hungarian national lineup, and i won the finals 3-0, got accused of maphacking.
I said, it's complete bullshit, mods looked at the replays, there was no real evidence, case solved, the guy who accuse me after losing the finals disappeared.

Compare that to the recent situation. Spade came out and said u can believe whatever u want, and 1 day later he "retires" because his reputation has been dmged.

There is no dmg done by an unproven accusation, i went on the be part of the national lineup and win a national LAN at Budapest later on.

So I hope everyone gets why i say, he's guilty for sure, 100%, and everyone who still defends him is stupid

Cry about whichunts when people are punished severly for minor offences, not when a hacker gets exposed. GJ to whoever started it


You're a nobody, obviously no-one's going to care whether you hack or don't.

thanks, it was a national selection, was posted on the national forum. Yes it's a tone smaller scene then TL and the international scene. EDITED, saw warning on top
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
IcedBacon
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada906 Posts
June 05 2012 20:37 GMT
#212
On June 06 2012 05:32 sPitcraZy wrote:
1. Stop with the "DO IT AT LAN", according to your logic catz must also be a hacker till he does it at LAN or any other "pro" that has no tournament results. (No results you're all hackers in my eyes now (OH NOOOOOO!!!!!!))

2. Investigation of hacks with BIAS perspectives trying to find "conclusive" evidence with 90% assumptions (REAL SMART...)

3. I feel like there are so many people that lack any authority in their real lives, and finally get that opportunity online and they abuse it.

4. Does this mean a non name in the scene(myself included) can end anyone's career with a simple post (GAME ON!!!!)


Go for it, lets see you try to ruin IdrA's or WhiteRa's career with a post. I'll give you till the end of today.
"I went Zerg because Artosis is a douchebag." -IdrA
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
June 05 2012 20:38 GMT
#213
On June 06 2012 05:34 crocodile wrote:
First Naniwa, then Orb, then Destiny, now Spades.

Hope you guys are happy. This community SUCKS.


I want to punch my screen when I read shit like this.

Hacking is a way bigger deal than any of the other " drama " that doesn't actually impact the integrity of the game and the competition itself.

This is not a pointless witchhunt, this is an important issue. If he's a hacker which it looks like he is then people should be HAPPY that he was ousted.
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
June 05 2012 20:38 GMT
#214
This is way premature.. Everyone's opinion can swing in an instant in this community..
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
June 05 2012 20:39 GMT
#215
On June 06 2012 05:38 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 05:34 crocodile wrote:
First Naniwa, then Orb, then Destiny, now Spades.

Hope you guys are happy. This community SUCKS.


I want to punch my screen when I read shit like this.

Hacking is a way bigger deal than any of the other " drama " that doesn't actually impact the integrity of the game and the competition itself.

This is not a pointless witchhunt, this is an important issue. If he's a hacker which it looks like he is then people should be HAPPY that he was ousted.

If he really is a hacker, then I'm glad he's gone (still not convinced he is). The process, though, is incredibly biased and shameful. This "trial by mob" stuff will not last just because we have too many people who over/under-react and/or have no clue what they're talking about. We need some sort of central body to judge things like this. Not random people giving their opinions and then a whole bunch of +1s on Reddit.
polyphonyEX
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2539 Posts
June 05 2012 20:39 GMT
#216
Didn't even confess. Just shows you how much of a person he is.
Chargelot
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
2275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 20:41:08
June 05 2012 20:40 GMT
#217
On June 06 2012 05:34 crocodile wrote:
First Naniwa, then Orb, then Destiny, now Spades.

Hope you guys are happy. This community SUCKS.

So now we can say "Go Spades" to guys like this?
Honorable decision to leave, I suppose, even if he was indeed in this situation because of dishonorable actions. Don't call it a way out until the situation is 100% resolved.
On June 06 2012 05:39 polyphonyEX wrote:
Didn't even confess. Just shows you how much of a person he is.

If he floats, he is a witch. If he drowns, he is not.
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Betsfrox
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Venezuela248 Posts
June 05 2012 20:40 GMT
#218
is spades going to attend MLG ?
sPitcraZy
Profile Joined June 2011
United States24 Posts
June 05 2012 20:41 GMT
#219
On June 06 2012 05:37 IcedBacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 05:32 sPitcraZy wrote:
1. Stop with the "DO IT AT LAN", according to your logic catz must also be a hacker till he does it at LAN or any other "pro" that has no tournament results. (No results you're all hackers in my eyes now (OH NOOOOOO!!!!!!))

2. Investigation of hacks with BIAS perspectives trying to find "conclusive" evidence with 90% assumptions (REAL SMART...)

3. I feel like there are so many people that lack any authority in their real lives, and finally get that opportunity online and they abuse it.

4. Does this mean a non name in the scene(myself included) can end anyone's career with a simple post (GAME ON!!!!)


Go for it, lets see you try to ruin IdrA's or WhiteRa's career with a post. I'll give you till the end of today.



Wait bro I must target smaller less known players that have no tournament results because it makes it that much easier...
Taeyeon + Tiffany + Jiyeon + Eunjung + Nicole + Hara + Hyuna + IU + Yoo Inna
goldenwitch
Profile Joined August 2010
United States338 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 20:42:38
June 05 2012 20:41 GMT
#220
What do I need to do to make you people understand how shameful your actions are?

Do I need to make 20 posts for 20 respectable players, taking any random replay and explaining how it proves absolutely that they are hackers? How many of you losers have actually even watched the replays?

Does the pleasure that you derive from judging another human justify all the pain that spades is feeling? If he hacks, let his team find out and take care of it. That's their job. Your job is to enjoy watching the games. Is that too much to ask?

"I can't just enjoy the game anymore, I need the power to ruin a persons happiness" - Starcraft community.

How are you people not on the floor kneeling and begging to apologize to spades for judging him when it is not your place to do so?

The answer? none of you. The only people who come even close to feeling shame for your actions aren't even part of your actions.


How the hell can we have justice if both the guilty and the innocent are punished as soon as doubt is raised?
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