EPTSpades retires from Western Wolves - Page 13
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This is not the place to argue whether or not spades hacked, do that in the relevant thread please. (this is in effect page 10 onward) | ||
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JimSocks
United States968 Posts
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On June 06 2012 05:44 CrugerDK wrote: good riddance! this is exactly when the pitchforks are justified. map hacking is intolerable for a pro player - especially a 2nd time! this isn't just ladder points, there's money on the line. He should be banned from all tournaments for life. Which would be great, if we ever actually found out if he was guilty. He never confessed, and there was never any definitive proof one way or the other. You've all effectively ruined his progaming career because a smurf account posted a bunch of circumstantial evidence. I don't even care if he did it at this point. This has to stop. You all can't just keep running people out of town because of stupid bullshit. | ||
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Marti
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las91
United States5080 Posts
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crocodile
United States615 Posts
On June 06 2012 05:48 Marti wrote: This is really amazing. The angry mob of the internet going around destroying careers ( well he wasn't going to become MVP but ... ) Makes me hate on democracy and mankind in general even more. People suck man. Especially people who follow SC2, apparently. | ||
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OOOGORE
United States13 Posts
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toiletCAT
Qatar284 Posts
On June 06 2012 05:35 Aunvilgod wrote: Bullcrap. Don´t post wrong information like this. It was proven that the magic scan was possible. Does not mean it is a logic action to scan somwhere to then not look at it. Aside from aaall the other ridicolous moments. Like the scan on Shakuras for example. Srslywtf are you writing? This community cares! This community does not want people to use the word "nigger", this community does not want their frontmen to act like 12 year old kids. This community does not allow hacking. I love this community and I am proud of it! Show me definitive proof that Spades was using a hack, then tell me which hack he was using, when he was using it and for which purpose - then I'll gladly say "you were right all along, and I apolgoize for saying otherwise." Unless you can do this, I suggest you take a step back and realize what you've actually done. | ||
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Qwix
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TheResidentEvil
United States991 Posts
If Spades came out and said, I cheated and i quit then would you still say all this junk about witch hunts? He isn't getting beheaded or locked up somewhere. He will buy another account, cheat his way back to where he was and re-surface as someone else. That's what cheaters do. | ||
Myles
United States5162 Posts
On June 06 2012 05:48 Daralii wrote: Which would be great, if we ever actually found out if he was guilty. He never confessed, and there was never any definitive proof one way or the other. You've all effectively ruined his progaming career because a smurf account posted a bunch of circumstantial evidence. I don't even care if he did it at this point. This has to stop. You all can't just keep running people out of town because of stupid bullshit. You will never had definitive proof of maphacking unless the hacker in general is incredibly dumb, and even then someone could probably make an argument that it's still subjective. Honestly, there's enough circumstantial evidence to raise doubts based on the mechanics difference alone, and that's all it takes in the court of public opinion. | ||
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Heathen
Philippines351 Posts
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On June 06 2012 05:41 papaz wrote: 1. who are you? you seem to have really high thougths of yourself as a player? 2. you are making a fool out of yourself using the god awful so called logic in your post. Nobody will get why you say that he is guilty for sure, 100%, because you don't make any sense. What have you brought to the table that makes Spades "for sure guilty, 100%"? Pleaae elaborate. WTF? At which point do i claim i think i'm a good player? I said it, it was a national qualifier in the beta. What does that mean internationally? nothing. Is it more then u've done? Yes. Is it relevant to the topic? Yes, since i had similar experience, on a smaller scale. And again, if you believe someone retires from making money out of his hobby because of a baseless accusation from a 1 post user, you're either friends with Spade or ur common sense is non-existent. That's all, im not arguing about it, believe whatever you want, i think it's crystal clear what's happening. By the looks of it some people would defend Spade even if he came out and said, yeah i hacked, cuz What's this witchhunt? who's accusing? community is so hateful. His retirement is harder evidence than i needed to be sure | ||
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NKB
United Kingdom608 Posts
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Laids
United Kingdom596 Posts
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toiletCAT
Qatar284 Posts
On June 06 2012 05:52 Myles wrote: You will never had definitive proof of maphacking unless the hacker in general is incredibly dumb, and even then someone could probably make an argument that it's still subjective. Honestly, there's enough circumstantial evidence to raise doubts based on the mechanics difference alone, and that's all it takes in the court of public opinion. Doubt =! evidence. Is the evidence against him strong? What if more popular players get accused of hacking? It's not evidence per say, it's basically people saying "that looks fishy, I wouldn't do that, that is weird, that's odd, that's unlikely" | ||
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Corrosive
Canada3741 Posts
On June 06 2012 05:48 Marti wrote: This is really amazing. The angry mob of the internet going around destroying careers ( well he wasn't going to become MVP but ... ) Makes me hate on democracy and mankind in general even more. these kinds of posts just make me fill with rage. trying to make the community feel bad for destroying a MAPHACKERS career? there was alot of evidence towards him being a maphacker and if it wasnt true why did he come in with some defeatist attitude instead of just saying "well im not hacking sorry guys haha" and then he could have just explained the weird 7-8 second camera blocks. for example hey guys, i just want to respond to the allegations that i was hacking by saying i was not. the "camera blocks" can be explained by the fact that i was dealing with something personal during the showmatch and had to leave the computer for a few seconds once in a while to answer the phone (or some other explanation) and im not sure about the magic scans, it could have been lag, but i can assure you that i was not hacking and i will go so far as to prove it by streaming a few games on my stream later today so you can see my playstyle! instead he came in and was like "fuckin bs rofl" and basically just trying to make any pro who had anything to say feel bad for saying what they had to say. | ||
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On June 06 2012 05:51 TheResidentEvil wrote: A cheater got ousted and people complain about it. I don't understand this. There is no place for cheaters. So what if spades reputation is ruined. He cheated and he knows it. The worst part is, he doesn't come out and admit it so you guys fight over how badly he was treated when he cheated the ENTIRE TIME. If Spades came out and said, I cheated and i quit then would you still say all this junk about witch hunts? He isn't getting beheaded or locked up somewhere. He will buy another account, cheat his way back to where he was and re-surface as someone else. That's what cheaters do. We never found out if he was cheating. Jesus Christ, guys. This isn't like the stuff with Orb and Destiny where we had screenshots and chat logs. No matter how much you look at the replays, you cannot determine from them alone whether or not he was hacking. The only way to know for certain is if he confessed. | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
TL should have closed the thread straight away, however, as there was no hard evidence in there. EDIT: Did not see the mod warning (don't know how, sorry). Will post in relevant thread. | ||
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Wargable
United States107 Posts
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
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