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This is not the place to argue whether or not spades hacked, do that in the relevant thread please.

(this is in effect page 10 onward)
JimSocks
Profile Joined February 2009
United States968 Posts
June 05 2012 20:48 GMT
#241
maybe he got fired
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 20:50:19
June 05 2012 20:48 GMT
#242
On June 06 2012 05:44 CrugerDK wrote:
good riddance!

this is exactly when the pitchforks are justified.

map hacking is intolerable for a pro player - especially a 2nd time!
this isn't just ladder points, there's money on the line. He should be banned from all tournaments for life.

Which would be great, if we ever actually found out if he was guilty.

He never confessed, and there was never any definitive proof one way or the other. You've all effectively ruined his progaming career because a smurf account posted a bunch of circumstantial evidence. I don't even care if he did it at this point. This has to stop. You all can't just keep running people out of town because of stupid bullshit.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
Marti
Profile Joined August 2011
552 Posts
June 05 2012 20:48 GMT
#243
This is really amazing. The angry mob of the internet going around destroying careers ( well he wasn't going to become MVP but ... ) Makes me hate on democracy and mankind in general even more.
#adun giveafuck - - - "Did this guy just randomly finger me?" - Sayle
las91
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States5080 Posts
June 05 2012 20:50 GMT
#244
Good luck to Western Wolves in the future, and good luck to Spades with whatever he decides to do moving forward.
In Inca we trust
crocodile
Profile Joined February 2011
United States615 Posts
June 05 2012 20:50 GMT
#245
On June 06 2012 05:48 Marti wrote:
This is really amazing. The angry mob of the internet going around destroying careers ( well he wasn't going to become MVP but ... ) Makes me hate on democracy and mankind in general even more.

People suck man. Especially people who follow SC2, apparently.
Master League Terran. Huge fan of Quantic Gaming and ROOTDestiny
OOOGORE
Profile Joined April 2012
United States13 Posts
June 05 2012 20:50 GMT
#246
whether*
swagswagswagswagswag
toiletCAT
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Qatar284 Posts
June 05 2012 20:50 GMT
#247
On June 06 2012 05:35 Aunvilgod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 05:07 toiletCAT wrote:
On June 06 2012 05:06 mememolly wrote:
On June 06 2012 05:04 Defacer wrote:
Spades may be a hacker ... but the way this community, pro players and website handled it was fucking shameful.

Mob justice ended a career overnight, with no conclusive evidence. Congrats, guys.

Instead of waiting to be proven right we force individuals to prove us wrong. That's fucked up.


there is conclusive evidence though, did you even watch catz's analysis?


CatZ's "evidence" was later proven to be inaccurate and invalid.


Bullcrap. Don´t post wrong information like this. It was proven that the magic scan was possible. Does not mean it is a logic action to scan somwhere to then not look at it.

Aside from aaall the other ridicolous moments. Like the scan on Shakuras for example. Srslywtf are you writing?



This community cares! This community does not want people to use the word "nigger", this community does not want their frontmen to act like 12 year old kids. This community does not allow hacking.

I love this community and I am proud of it!


Show me definitive proof that Spades was using a hack, then tell me which hack he was using, when he was using it and for which purpose - then I'll gladly say "you were right all along, and I apolgoize for saying otherwise." Unless you can do this, I suggest you take a step back and realize what you've actually done.
Qwix
Profile Joined October 2010
531 Posts
June 05 2012 20:51 GMT
#248
No offense but who the hell are the Western Wolves, sounds like a NHL team, specially with that logo.
TheResidentEvil
Profile Joined September 2010
United States991 Posts
June 05 2012 20:51 GMT
#249
A cheater got ousted and people complain about it. I don't understand this. There is no place for cheaters. So what if spades reputation is ruined. He cheated and he knows it. The worst part is, he doesn't come out and admit it so you guys fight over how badly he was treated when he cheated the ENTIRE TIME.

If Spades came out and said, I cheated and i quit then would you still say all this junk about witch hunts? He isn't getting beheaded or locked up somewhere. He will buy another account, cheat his way back to where he was and re-surface as someone else. That's what cheaters do.

Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
June 05 2012 20:52 GMT
#250
On June 06 2012 05:48 Daralii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 05:44 CrugerDK wrote:
good riddance!

this is exactly when the pitchforks are justified.

map hacking is intolerable for a pro player - especially a 2nd time!
this isn't just ladder points, there's money on the line. He should be banned from all tournaments for life.

Which would be great, if we ever actually found out if he was guilty.

He never confessed, and there was never any definitive proof one way or the other. You've all effectively ruined his progaming career because a smurf account posted a bunch of circumstantial evidence. I don't even care if he did it at this point. This has to stop. You all can't just keep running people out of town because of stupid bullshit.

You will never had definitive proof of maphacking unless the hacker in general is incredibly dumb, and even then someone could probably make an argument that it's still subjective. Honestly, there's enough circumstantial evidence to raise doubts based on the mechanics difference alone, and that's all it takes in the court of public opinion.
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Heathen
Profile Joined January 2011
Philippines351 Posts
June 05 2012 20:52 GMT
#251
Is the evidence against him strong? What if more popular players get accused of hacking?
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 20:58:15
June 05 2012 20:53 GMT
#252
On June 06 2012 05:41 papaz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 05:27 Geo.Rion wrote:
Btw guys, I just want to put this out there, around the beta, there was a qualifier for the Hungarian national lineup, and i won the finals 3-0, got accused of maphacking.
I said, it's complete bullshit, mods looked at the replays, there was no real evidence, case solved, the guy who accuse me after losing the finals disappeared.

Compare that to the recent situation. Spade came out and said u can believe whatever u want, and 1 day later he "retires" because his reputation has been dmged.

There is no dmg done by an unproven accusation, i went on the be part of the national lineup and win a national LAN at Budapest later on.

So I hope everyone gets why i say, he's guilty for sure, 100%, and everyone who still defends him is stupid

Cry about whichunts when people are punished severly for minor offences, not when a hacker gets exposed. GJ to whoever started it


1. who are you? you seem to have really high thougths of yourself as a player?

2. you are making a fool out of yourself using the god awful so called logic in your post. Nobody will get why you say that he is guilty for sure, 100%, because you don't make any sense. What have you brought to the table that makes Spades "for sure guilty, 100%"?

Pleaae elaborate.

WTF? At which point do i claim i think i'm a good player? I said it, it was a national qualifier in the beta. What does that mean internationally? nothing. Is it more then u've done? Yes. Is it relevant to the topic? Yes, since i had similar experience, on a smaller scale.
And again, if you believe someone retires from making money out of his hobby because of a baseless accusation from a 1 post user, you're either friends with Spade or ur common sense is non-existent. That's all, im not arguing about it, believe whatever you want, i think it's crystal clear what's happening.
By the looks of it some people would defend Spade even if he came out and said, yeah i hacked, cuz What's this witchhunt? who's accusing? community is so hateful. His retirement is harder evidence than i needed to be sure
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
NKB
Profile Joined February 2012
United Kingdom608 Posts
June 05 2012 20:53 GMT
#253
Whether he has hacked or not Spades pretty much has nothing left here.
Some times you just gotta wish...
Laids
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom596 Posts
June 05 2012 20:53 GMT
#254
I haven't seen a single piece of clear-cut evidence presented, if there is any doubt at all over the evidence, then surely you give the benefit of the doubt to Spades?
toiletCAT
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Qatar284 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 20:55:40
June 05 2012 20:54 GMT
#255
On June 06 2012 05:52 Myles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 05:48 Daralii wrote:
On June 06 2012 05:44 CrugerDK wrote:
good riddance!

this is exactly when the pitchforks are justified.

map hacking is intolerable for a pro player - especially a 2nd time!
this isn't just ladder points, there's money on the line. He should be banned from all tournaments for life.

Which would be great, if we ever actually found out if he was guilty.

He never confessed, and there was never any definitive proof one way or the other. You've all effectively ruined his progaming career because a smurf account posted a bunch of circumstantial evidence. I don't even care if he did it at this point. This has to stop. You all can't just keep running people out of town because of stupid bullshit.

You will never had definitive proof of maphacking unless the hacker in general is incredibly dumb, and even then someone could probably make an argument that it's still subjective. Honestly, there's enough circumstantial evidence to raise doubts based on the mechanics difference alone, and that's all it takes in the court of public opinion.


Doubt =! evidence.

Is the evidence against him strong? What if more popular players get accused of hacking?


It's not evidence per say, it's basically people saying "that looks fishy, I wouldn't do that, that is weird, that's odd, that's unlikely"
Corrosive
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3741 Posts
June 05 2012 20:54 GMT
#256
On June 06 2012 05:48 Marti wrote:
This is really amazing. The angry mob of the internet going around destroying careers ( well he wasn't going to become MVP but ... ) Makes me hate on democracy and mankind in general even more.

these kinds of posts just make me fill with rage. trying to make the community feel bad for destroying a MAPHACKERS career? there was alot of evidence towards him being a maphacker and if it wasnt true why did he come in with some defeatist attitude instead of just saying "well im not hacking sorry guys haha" and then he could have just explained the weird 7-8 second camera blocks. for example

hey guys, i just want to respond to the allegations that i was hacking by saying i was not. the "camera blocks" can be explained by the fact that i was dealing with something personal during the showmatch and had to leave the computer for a few seconds once in a while to answer the phone (or some other explanation) and im not sure about the magic scans, it could have been lag, but i can assure you that i was not hacking and i will go so far as to prove it by streaming a few games on my stream later today so you can see my playstyle!


instead he came in and was like "fuckin bs rofl" and basically just trying to make any pro who had anything to say feel bad for saying what they had to say.
Maruprime.
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
June 05 2012 20:54 GMT
#257
On June 06 2012 05:51 TheResidentEvil wrote:
A cheater got ousted and people complain about it. I don't understand this. There is no place for cheaters. So what if spades reputation is ruined. He cheated and he knows it. The worst part is, he doesn't come out and admit it so you guys fight over how badly he was treated when he cheated the ENTIRE TIME.

If Spades came out and said, I cheated and i quit then would you still say all this junk about witch hunts? He isn't getting beheaded or locked up somewhere. He will buy another account, cheat his way back to where he was and re-surface as someone else. That's what cheaters do.


We never found out if he was cheating.

Jesus Christ, guys. This isn't like the stuff with Orb and Destiny where we had screenshots and chat logs. No matter how much you look at the replays, you cannot determine from them alone whether or not he was hacking. The only way to know for certain is if he confessed.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 20:57:00
June 05 2012 20:54 GMT
#258
I feel like if he was innocent he would have done more to try and disprove it. All he did in the thread was say really ambiguous comments that you can't really challenge.

TL should have closed the thread straight away, however, as there was no hard evidence in there.

EDIT: Did not see the mod warning (don't know how, sorry). Will post in relevant thread.
"Zealot try give mariners high five. Mariners not like high five and try hide and shoot zealot"
Wargable
Profile Joined April 2011
United States107 Posts
June 05 2012 20:54 GMT
#259
Feel so incredibly bad for Spades. He didn't deserve this much brutality.
"That brings my piss to a boil."
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
June 05 2012 20:54 GMT
#260
Someone mentioned haypro as a previous hacker... but the way i remember it there was never any accusations of maphack, only proof that he used a hacking program to observe games (something which I'm sure he wasn't alone in, he just forgot to turn it off) From what i remember his story seemed reliable because nothing fishy was ever found in actual games? Or was there another incident i'm not aware of?
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