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07:06 KST - method linked here has been disproved here

10:54 KST - Find a full timeline of pro comments (including Spades) in the topic here.

08:47 KST - Summary:
Accusations of maphacking have the potential to destroy a player's career if left unaddressed. Because of the potential consequences, we should be careful about accepting unproven accusations. The principle of 'innocent until proven guilty' should be applied here. That does not mean that there has been a conclusion about this case, however, which is why this thread remains tentatively open.

Please discuss with caution and use evidence to back up your claims.

(also a summary post by an unnamed pro on reddit here)
Bashion
Profile Joined February 2011
Cook Islands2612 Posts
June 05 2012 03:14 GMT
#1301
woah that antiga game against Theognis was really suspicious
I've got moves like Jagger
Kouda
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States2205 Posts
June 05 2012 03:14 GMT
#1302
On June 05 2012 12:13 Mirhi wrote:
Well, while it's bad form to throw someone under the bus, I'm just going to do it because all this came out and I have a fact that actually matters.

Spades stream cheated during showmatches that he played while he lived with me at what was the Reign house. It's a carry over from the stream cheating that many Koreans do in the Korean prohouses (Both Spades and Artist have confirmed with me that Koreans frequently stream cheat in team leagues and showmatches against foreigners out of pride).

If ever I saw it happen when I was in the house, I would immediately try to stop them, but I know on occasion it still occured, most notably in a match Spades played against Gatored last year.

About maphacking, I have no idea and have no opinion on the matter other than either option wouldn't surprise me.

I would want to say though, that cheating occurs way more than people realize, and I actually would not be so hard on him for this evidence, even if it is true. Players better than Spades actively cheat, particularly stream cheat or simply ghosting, because of how easy it is.

Example - Leenock was over a player's shoulder at MLG Providence helping them during a game, giving them hints in Korean.

It's pretty common.


LOL. Well. That made me chuckle.
Kitchen.Sink
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
26 Posts
June 05 2012 03:15 GMT
#1303
16:20, Antiga. Strike 2. He's watching the middle of nowhere while maneuvering his army into position: a scenario that could only arise A) if you're in bronze, or B) if you have a hack that hides every time you glance into the fog of war.
Thinking always ahead, thinking always of trying to do more, brings a state of mind in which nothing is impossible. The moment one gets into the "expert" state of mind a great number of things become impossible. --Henry Ford
knOxStarcraft
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada422 Posts
June 05 2012 03:15 GMT
#1304
On June 05 2012 12:10 LambtrOn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 12:09 knOxStarcraft wrote:
On June 05 2012 12:05 Spades wrote:
On June 05 2012 11:58 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Catz seems pretty sure here... he better be careful though, if he is wrong then he is going to have to make some HUGE apologies

It won't matter, mob mentality is working against me. I will never been "proven" innocent. If they want to find suspicious actions they will, and all of their fans will take everything they say as fact. They keep saying i camera lock whenever i go over fog of war. And other times they say "here he is looking in fog of war" If i had camera lock how am i looking in fog of war. This makes no sense and contradicts itself. I knew no good would come of them analyzing, because anything except 100% innocence, condemns me.

This is why what they're doing is wrong, streaming this analysis is very unprofessional and is the wrong way to go.

What's so wrong about it? It's transparent for us viewers, which I like. Everything they are saying is fair.

It's wrong because they're trying to prove him guilty not prove him innocent. It's completely biased and streaming it to people will destroy spades' reputation even if he's actually innocent
iokke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1179 Posts
June 05 2012 03:15 GMT
#1305
tt considering the bias going into this, I hardly think a conviction on Catz' stream means much.
If this does happens, Spades, perhaps you should get a bunch of Catz' replays and do the same to show that if you are actively searching for suspicious things you will find them.
Shit i find em in my replays and i suck
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Crowned
Profile Joined August 2011
United States368 Posts
June 05 2012 03:15 GMT
#1306
He's "blind' moving his army to mirror where TheOgnis army was on Antiga with absolutely no vision. How is that not concrete?
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cArn-
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Korea (South)824 Posts
June 05 2012 03:15 GMT
#1307
This is getting really pathetic, you can point out things that look suspicious very easily for any good player.. I'm baffled as to how this thread is stilll going and those so called "analysis" are taken seriously.

So fucking disgusting
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KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
June 05 2012 03:15 GMT
#1308
This is the most obvious maphack ive ever seen.
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djshinE
Profile Joined June 2012
12 Posts
June 05 2012 03:15 GMT
#1309
Are you guys watching Catz/Illusion's stream? The use of maphack by Spades is way too obvious.
Demoe
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada105 Posts
June 05 2012 03:15 GMT
#1310
On June 05 2012 12:14 Integra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 12:12 Robson13 wrote:
On June 05 2012 12:10 Moonling wrote:
On June 05 2012 12:08 Insane wrote:
OK, so I'm inclined to believe Spades hacks, given a large amount of evidence and "coincidences". However, 32:50 on Tal'Darim doesn't prove much I don't think. If you look at the replay, at 32:21 then his scan sees a couple dropships.

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It lasts less than a second in time, so it's easy to miss, but I do think those two dropships could've tipped him off.



Yay research, maybe that will calm the storm

Who scans there?

IF Spades is not hacking he has the best gaming sense I've ever seen in the history of Starcraft. He should start playing online events. He will never lose, it's that good.

Quoted for the truth. Some people have their heads so far in the sand they refuse to admit somebody they like is hacker.
djshinE
Profile Joined June 2012
12 Posts
June 05 2012 03:15 GMT
#1311
On June 05 2012 12:15 KalWarkov wrote:
This is the most obvious maphack ive ever seen.


Yes, I agree.
Sabre
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1086 Posts
June 05 2012 03:15 GMT
#1312
On the Antiga Shipyard vs Theognis when his vision is locked and he's moving his army in the middle is just LOL, there's absolutely no fucking way thats just bad play imo
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Nimic
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway1360 Posts
June 05 2012 03:15 GMT
#1313
This is all very inconclusive, but it's already going to ruin Spades' career. That's the problem with this whole public trial.
Jono7272
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom6330 Posts
June 05 2012 03:15 GMT
#1314
On June 05 2012 12:15 Kitchen.Sink wrote:
16:20, Antiga. Strike 2. He's watching the middle of nowhere while maneuvering his army into position: a scenario that could only arise A) if you're in bronze, or B) if you have a hack that hides every time you glance into the fog of war.

Hey man, he just likes to play 100% from the minimap! He splits his marines on the mini map as well I bet!
Innovation | Flash | Mvp | Byun | TY
Psychonian
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2322 Posts
June 05 2012 03:16 GMT
#1315
Spades getting SOOOOOOOOOO busted on CatZ stream right now.
Trans Rights
ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
June 05 2012 03:16 GMT
#1316
I don't understand why the single marine is so bad? Like, imagine 3 lanes. You send a marine to one, your xelnaga holds the other. if you see nothing happening in both, then your opponent is obviously moving through the third. :/
darkness overpowering
yeastiality
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada374 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 03:17:23
June 05 2012 03:16 GMT
#1317
On June 05 2012 12:13 knOxStarcraft wrote:
This is ridiculous, what a joke of a community. How about comparing this play to his streamed play? I really hope someone does this analysis properly, comparing the replays to FPVOD play, and proves these immature retards wrong.


The point of their analysis is he doesn't do it on ladder/stream VODs, but does do it in small tournaments (like the games vs Lucifron).

Watch and learn!


On June 05 2012 12:16 ghrur wrote:
I don't understand why the single marine is so bad? Like, imagine 3 lanes. You send a marine to one, your xelnaga holds the other. if you see nothing happening in both, then your opponent is obviously moving through the third. :/


Might be a good idea to know for sure, so you can react.
You've got 2 competitive-level terrans telling you it's standard. I'm only a diamond zerg but I'm gonna take their word for it (since I do the same thing with lings/overlords)
jax1492
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1632 Posts
June 05 2012 03:16 GMT
#1318
On June 05 2012 12:12 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 12:07 Starshaped wrote:
OK, The game on Cloud Kingdom shows 100% that he hacks. The tanks that move 0.0001 inches and then re-siege for no reason with no vision.


How the? Wait what the? Wait.. you... but...

Why am I even reading this thread anymore. I hope you're not hacking Spades. Pretty clear there's some serious confirmation bias going on right now and I haven't seen anything conclusive.

I'm very nearly inspired to go find a replay pack of a pro and find a bunch of "suspicious" moments and start another witch hunt. Except I'll do it on an alt so no one knows it's me (except TL mods who clearly don't care about an anonymous asshole who gets to make this accusation without being revealed)


catz is going over the games in his stream, when you see it ... its hard to not believe.
boxturtle
Profile Joined December 2011
United States224 Posts
June 05 2012 03:16 GMT
#1319
Wow, Illusion and CatZ have sold it. There's little doubt he's hacking.

What I don't like is that they used weaker evidence first to make their "show" longer. The later stuff is conclusive. but the earlier stuff just seems like he's getting lucky waaaaaay too often. I guess they need to hold their audience and people would stop watching if it was flamin' obvious the guy was hacking 2 minutes into the review.
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
June 05 2012 03:17 GMT
#1320
On June 05 2012 12:15 Nimic wrote:
This is all very inconclusive, but it's already going to ruin Spades' career. That's the problem with this whole public trial.

It's shame we still don't have any kind of official arbitration court or whatever. Inmates running asylum it feels like =/
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