EPT[?] Spades hacking? - Page 66
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07:06 KST - method linked here has been disproved here 10:54 KST - Find a full timeline of pro comments (including Spades) in the topic here. 08:47 KST - Summary: Accusations of maphacking have the potential to destroy a player's career if left unaddressed. Because of the potential consequences, we should be careful about accepting unproven accusations. The principle of 'innocent until proven guilty' should be applied here. That does not mean that there has been a conclusion about this case, however, which is why this thread remains tentatively open. Please discuss with caution and use evidence to back up your claims. (also a summary post by an unnamed pro on reddit here) | ||
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Bashion
Cook Islands2612 Posts
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Kouda
United States2205 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:13 Mirhi wrote: Well, while it's bad form to throw someone under the bus, I'm just going to do it because all this came out and I have a fact that actually matters. Spades stream cheated during showmatches that he played while he lived with me at what was the Reign house. It's a carry over from the stream cheating that many Koreans do in the Korean prohouses (Both Spades and Artist have confirmed with me that Koreans frequently stream cheat in team leagues and showmatches against foreigners out of pride). If ever I saw it happen when I was in the house, I would immediately try to stop them, but I know on occasion it still occured, most notably in a match Spades played against Gatored last year. About maphacking, I have no idea and have no opinion on the matter other than either option wouldn't surprise me. I would want to say though, that cheating occurs way more than people realize, and I actually would not be so hard on him for this evidence, even if it is true. Players better than Spades actively cheat, particularly stream cheat or simply ghosting, because of how easy it is. Example - Leenock was over a player's shoulder at MLG Providence helping them during a game, giving them hints in Korean. It's pretty common. LOL. Well. That made me chuckle. | ||
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Kitchen.Sink
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knOxStarcraft
Canada422 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:10 LambtrOn wrote: What's so wrong about it? It's transparent for us viewers, which I like. Everything they are saying is fair. It's wrong because they're trying to prove him guilty not prove him innocent. It's completely biased and streaming it to people will destroy spades' reputation even if he's actually innocent | ||
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iokke
United States1179 Posts
If this does happens, Spades, perhaps you should get a bunch of Catz' replays and do the same to show that if you are actively searching for suspicious things you will find them. Shit i find em in my replays and i suck | ||
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Crowned
United States368 Posts
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cArn-
Korea (South)824 Posts
So fucking disgusting | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
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djshinE
12 Posts
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Demoe
Canada105 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:14 Integra wrote: IF Spades is not hacking he has the best gaming sense I've ever seen in the history of Starcraft. He should start playing online events. He will never lose, it's that good. Quoted for the truth. Some people have their heads so far in the sand they refuse to admit somebody they like is hacker. | ||
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djshinE
12 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:15 KalWarkov wrote: This is the most obvious maphack ive ever seen. Yes, I agree. | ||
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Sabre
United Kingdom1086 Posts
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Nimic
Norway1360 Posts
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Jono7272
United Kingdom6330 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:15 Kitchen.Sink wrote: 16:20, Antiga. Strike 2. He's watching the middle of nowhere while maneuvering his army into position: a scenario that could only arise A) if you're in bronze, or B) if you have a hack that hides every time you glance into the fog of war. Hey man, he just likes to play 100% from the minimap! He splits his marines on the mini map as well I bet! | ||
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Psychonian
United States2322 Posts
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ghrur
United States3785 Posts
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yeastiality
Canada374 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:13 knOxStarcraft wrote: This is ridiculous, what a joke of a community. How about comparing this play to his streamed play? I really hope someone does this analysis properly, comparing the replays to FPVOD play, and proves these immature retards wrong. The point of their analysis is he doesn't do it on ladder/stream VODs, but does do it in small tournaments (like the games vs Lucifron). Watch and learn! On June 05 2012 12:16 ghrur wrote: I don't understand why the single marine is so bad? Like, imagine 3 lanes. You send a marine to one, your xelnaga holds the other. if you see nothing happening in both, then your opponent is obviously moving through the third. :/ Might be a good idea to know for sure, so you can react. You've got 2 competitive-level terrans telling you it's standard. I'm only a diamond zerg but I'm gonna take their word for it (since I do the same thing with lings/overlords) | ||
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jax1492
United States1632 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:12 Risen wrote: How the? Wait what the? Wait.. you... but... Why am I even reading this thread anymore. I hope you're not hacking Spades. Pretty clear there's some serious confirmation bias going on right now and I haven't seen anything conclusive. I'm very nearly inspired to go find a replay pack of a pro and find a bunch of "suspicious" moments and start another witch hunt. Except I'll do it on an alt so no one knows it's me (except TL mods who clearly don't care about an anonymous asshole who gets to make this accusation without being revealed) catz is going over the games in his stream, when you see it ... its hard to not believe. | ||
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boxturtle
United States224 Posts
What I don't like is that they used weaker evidence first to make their "show" longer. The later stuff is conclusive. but the earlier stuff just seems like he's getting lucky waaaaaay too often. I guess they need to hold their audience and people would stop watching if it was flamin' obvious the guy was hacking 2 minutes into the review. | ||
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Goibon
New Zealand8185 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:15 Nimic wrote: This is all very inconclusive, but it's already going to ruin Spades' career. That's the problem with this whole public trial. It's shame we still don't have any kind of official arbitration court or whatever. Inmates running asylum it feels like =/ | ||
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