EPT[?] Spades hacking? - Page 68
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07:06 KST - method linked here has been disproved here 10:54 KST - Find a full timeline of pro comments (including Spades) in the topic here. 08:47 KST - Summary: Accusations of maphacking have the potential to destroy a player's career if left unaddressed. Because of the potential consequences, we should be careful about accepting unproven accusations. The principle of 'innocent until proven guilty' should be applied here. That does not mean that there has been a conclusion about this case, however, which is why this thread remains tentatively open. Please discuss with caution and use evidence to back up your claims. (also a summary post by an unnamed pro on reddit here) | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15690 Posts
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GreyKnight
United States4720 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:19 Psychonian wrote: ....Guys? What would we do if it turned out there was a liquid' maphacker? I know it sounds horrible but....what would we do? who knows nowadays! | ||
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Jono7272
United Kingdom6330 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:19 Ktk wrote: Camera key to rally, a-move army via minimap. It's not that complicated. And camera locking to random places? Are you kidding me? Do we know if he uses location hotkeys? Yeah, position siege tank armies in TvT via minimap, super standard good play. Are you serious? | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
I got a serious headache watching people try to market this whole mess for viewers clearly looking to make Spades look bad. So for the record, WW hosted the showmatch, Spades is on the WW team, WW is looking into these accusations, WW will consult experts and WW will release a statement after a conclusion has been drawn. Oh and as a bonus, WW would love to know who actually posted this disaster in the first place. | ||
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phanto
Sweden708 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:15 Nimic wrote: This is all very inconclusive But it's not. Adding everything up the evidence is quite overwhelming. | ||
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yawnoC
United States3704 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:13 Mirhi wrote: Why do I not feel shocked at all by this?Well, while it's bad form to throw someone under the bus, I'm just going to do it because all this came out and I have a fact that actually matters. Spades stream cheated during showmatches that he played while he lived with me at what was the Reign house. It's a carry over from the stream cheating that many Koreans do in the Korean prohouses (Both Spades and Artist have confirmed with me that Koreans frequently stream cheat in team leagues and showmatches against foreigners out of pride). If ever I saw it happen when I was in the house, I would immediately try to stop them, but I know on occasion it still occured, most notably in a match Spades played against Gatored last year. About maphacking, I have no idea and have no opinion on the matter other than either option wouldn't surprise me. I would want to say though, that cheating occurs way more than people realize, and I actually would not be so hard on him for this evidence, even if it is true. Players better than Spades actively cheat, particularly stream cheat or simply ghosting, because of how easy it is. Example - Leenock was over a player's shoulder at MLG Providence helping them during a game, giving them hints in Korean. It's pretty common. On June 05 2012 12:21 Martijn wrote: Just so we're clear on something. The only ones that have any right to judge Spades here is the WesternWolves. It was our showmatch and he's our player. We're his sponsor, we're the admins I got a serious headache watching people try to market this whole mess for viewers clearly looking to make Spades look bad. So for the record, WW hosted the showmatch, Spades is on the WW team, WW is looking into these accusations, WW will consult experts and WW will release a statement after a conclusion has been drawn. Oh and as a bonus, WW would love to know who actually posted this disaster in the first place. I really hope TL does post who the "OP" actually is. | ||
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-Kaiser-
Canada932 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:19 Psychonian wrote: ....Guys? What would we do if it turned out there was a liquid' maphacker? I know it sounds horrible but....what would we do? Oust them and demand accountability. | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:19 Psychonian wrote: ....Guys? What would we do if it turned out there was a liquid' maphacker? I know it sounds horrible but....what would we do? You do realize Hayder was a former maphacker right? Cheating is really much more common than you'd think. | ||
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sPitcraZy
United States24 Posts
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Crowned
United States368 Posts
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iokke
United States1179 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:18 KalWarkov wrote: woot? i thought you have understanding of this game. antiga vs theognis was perfect movement always, attacking into an army u dont see with camera locked on reinforcements? wtf? you know when you take a pool of a bunch of games, and ignore all the fuckups, you will find games with "perfect movement" movements and strange decisions. On the other hand, I am unable to hear the stream, can only watch it, so I am not completely informed on what is going on there. I am pretty informed on the bias though considering the posts here | ||
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-stOpSKY-
Canada498 Posts
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itsjuspeter
United States668 Posts
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ronpaul012
United States769 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:19 Psychonian wrote: ....Guys? What would we do if it turned out there was a liquid' maphacker? I know it sounds horrible but....what would we do? we'd raise the pitchforks and not support them anymore. | ||
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Acceso
Peru5 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:20 whiterabbit wrote: I don't know what to make out of this... but... this is amazing post. Ok, then... Spades is a cheater anyway. | ||
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Kopo
Canada45 Posts
Sorry Spades, but even though there is no way to tell 100% if you were hacking or not you have been crucified in front of 5k+ live viewers on stream. I completely disagree with this process. I understand that hacking is horrible in a competitive gaming scene, but attempting to persecute you in this manner in fucking despicable. | ||
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Spades
United States249 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:13 Mirhi wrote: Well, while it's bad form to throw someone under the bus, I'm just going to do it because all this came out and I have a fact that actually matters. Spades stream cheated during showmatches that he played while he lived with me at what was the Reign house. It's a carry over from the stream cheating that many Koreans do in the Korean prohouses (Both Spades and Artist have confirmed with me that Koreans frequently stream cheat in team leagues and showmatches against foreigners out of pride). If ever I saw it happen when I was in the house, I would immediately try to stop them, but I know on occasion it still occured, most notably in a match Spades played against Gatored last year. About maphacking, I have no idea and have no opinion on the matter other than either option wouldn't surprise me. I would want to say though, that cheating occurs way more than people realize, and I actually would not be so hard on him for this evidence, even if it is true. Players better than Spades actively cheat, particularly stream cheat or simply ghosting, because of how easy it is. Example - Leenock was over a player's shoulder at MLG Providence helping them during a game, giving them hints in Korean. It's pretty common. Lol really, it was Artist, when did this ever happen. If anything people in the house would randomly say something during a game they were watching. I never had 2 monitors open and stream cheat or anything. Why would you say something stupid like that. So stupid. | ||
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SniXSniPe
United States1938 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:15 cArn- wrote: This is getting really pathetic, you can point out things that look suspicious very easily for any good player.. I'm baffled as to how this thread is stilll going and those so called "analysis" are taken seriously. So fucking disgusting And it looks like they were right. On June 05 2012 12:13 Mirhi wrote: Well, while it's bad form to throw someone under the bus, I'm just going to do it because all this came out and I have a fact that actually matters. Spades stream cheated during showmatches that he played while he lived with me at what was the Reign house. It's a carry over from the stream cheating that many Koreans do in the Korean prohouses (Both Spades and Artist have confirmed with me that Koreans frequently stream cheat in team leagues and showmatches against foreigners out of pride). If ever I saw it happen when I was in the house, I would immediately try to stop them, but I know on occasion it still occured, most notably in a match Spades played against Gatored last year. About maphacking, I have no idea and have no opinion on the matter other than either option wouldn't surprise me. I would want to say though, that cheating occurs way more than people realize, and I actually would not be so hard on him for this evidence, even if it is true. Players better than Spades actively cheat, particularly stream cheat or simply ghosting, because of how easy it is. Example - Leenock was over a player's shoulder at MLG Providence helping them during a game, giving them hints in Korean. It's pretty common. | ||
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