EPT[?] Spades hacking? - Page 69
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07:06 KST - method linked here has been disproved here 10:54 KST - Find a full timeline of pro comments (including Spades) in the topic here. 08:47 KST - Summary: Accusations of maphacking have the potential to destroy a player's career if left unaddressed. Because of the potential consequences, we should be careful about accepting unproven accusations. The principle of 'innocent until proven guilty' should be applied here. That does not mean that there has been a conclusion about this case, however, which is why this thread remains tentatively open. Please discuss with caution and use evidence to back up your claims. (also a summary post by an unnamed pro on reddit here) | ||
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shabinka
United States469 Posts
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
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Flipshy
United States83 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:21 phanto wrote: But it's not. Adding everything up the evidence is quite overwhelming. This can people really say all of these are coincidence? | ||
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Housemd
United States1407 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:17 courtpanda wrote: idk why this isnt being focused on more, its pretty good Two things that I learned from this: Spades is 90% hacking. And the honorable Korean way is bullshit. | ||
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Moonling
United States987 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:13 Mirhi wrote: Well, while it's bad form to throw someone under the bus, I'm just going to do it because all this came out and I have a fact that actually matters. Spades stream cheated during showmatches that he played while he lived with me at what was the Reign house. It's a carry over from the stream cheating that many Koreans do in the Korean prohouses (Both Spades and Artist have confirmed with me that Koreans frequently stream cheat in team leagues and showmatches against foreigners out of pride). If ever I saw it happen when I was in the house, I would immediately try to stop them, but I know on occasion it still occured, most notably in a match Spades played against Gatored last year. About maphacking, I have no idea and have no opinion on the matter other than either option wouldn't surprise me. I would want to say though, that cheating occurs way more than people realize, and I actually would not be so hard on him for this evidence, even if it is true. Players better than Spades actively cheat, particularly stream cheat or simply ghosting, because of how easy it is. Example - Leenock was over a player's shoulder at MLG Providence helping them during a game, giving them hints in Korean. It's pretty common. Well...thats interesting | ||
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yeastiality
Canada374 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:22 shabinka wrote: Let's assume what we are trying to prove... and then prove it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method | ||
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lulutheking
France106 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:15 cArn- wrote: This is getting really pathetic, you can point out things that look suspicious very easily for any good player.. I'm baffled as to how this thread is stilll going and those so called "analysis" are taken seriously. So fucking disgusting Completely agree, take any replays of anybody and taken out of context anyone will find something suspicious... This is witch hunting honestly.... We all do things not conventional in our games , if you take them out of context then you'll find lots of not normal things... | ||
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knOxStarcraft
Canada422 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:17 LambtrOn wrote: Are you watching the stream? The evidence is pretty convincing. He has a history. Of course they are going to be suspicious. They have not said he is 100% a hacker. They are going through replays and gathering evidence. The evidence is damning. But a trial shouldn't be streamed to the public, regardless of who the person is, because even if the person is innocent this way, they will be treated as if they're guilty by the community | ||
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SgtCoDFish
United Kingdom1520 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:19 Psychonian wrote: ....Guys? What would we do if it turned out there was a liquid' maphacker? I know it sounds horrible but....what would we do? If it was proven, ostracize them immediately and never support them ever again. No different to anyone else. Silly question | ||
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EndofCreation
85 Posts
 Its extremely evident especially considering his past and his ability to create a close game even though he is far below him in skill. | ||
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Xorphene
United Kingdom492 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:21 Martijn wrote: Just so we're clear on something. The only ones that have any right to judge Spades here is the WesternWolves. It was our showmatch and he's our player. We're his sponsor, we're the admins Wrong, SC2 is a public e-sport, the community are entitled to have their say and "judgement". I got a serious headache watching people try to market this whole mess for viewers clearly looking to make Spades look bad. So for the record, WW hosted the showmatch, Spades is on the WW team, WW is looking into these accusations, WW will consult experts and WW will release a statement after a conclusion has been drawn. Your credibility is on the line Oh and as a bonus, WW would love to know who actually posted this disaster in the first place. Irrelevant. | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
Honestly I find the example more worrying than anything that happened today. | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:00 Xorphene wrote: So he moves his ENTIRE army there? Really? Where is the differentiation between a 2 medivac drop and a doom drop? He saw a flash on the minimap for a split second. He moves his entire army because he *KNOWS* Lucifron is doom dropping him and there is NO CHANCE of a multipronged push. *sigh* these games vs Ognis aren't looking great either. also the seige tank crawl is weird. | ||
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Balgrog
United States1221 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:22 Spades wrote: Lol really, it was Artist, when did this ever happen. If anything people in the house would randomly say something during a game they were watching. I never had 2 monitors open and stream cheat or anything. Why would you say something stupid like that. So stupid. The fact that you arent defending your self tooth and nail right now to that post says everything. You will never attempt at being a pro in esports again. Just please admit what you have done and gracefully bow out of the scene. | ||
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efren
United States125 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:13 Mirhi wrote: Well, while it's bad form to throw someone under the bus, I'm just going to do it because all this came out and I have a fact that actually matters. Spades stream cheated during showmatches that he played while he lived with me at what was the Reign house. It's a carry over from the stream cheating that many Koreans do in the Korean prohouses (Both Spades and Artist have confirmed with me that Koreans frequently stream cheat in team leagues and showmatches against foreigners out of pride). If ever I saw it happen when I was in the house, I would immediately try to stop them, but I know on occasion it still occured, most notably in a match Spades played against Gatored last year. About maphacking, I have no idea and have no opinion on the matter other than either option wouldn't surprise me. I would want to say though, that cheating occurs way more than people realize, and I actually would not be so hard on him for this evidence, even if it is true. Players better than Spades actively cheat, particularly stream cheat or simply ghosting, because of how easy it is. Example - Leenock was over a player's shoulder at MLG Providence helping them during a game, giving them hints in Korean. It's pretty common. LOL why doesn't it suprise me that even high profile koreans are cheating at a high profile lan event like MLG | ||
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Pwnographics
New Zealand1097 Posts
Archon voice: Evidence overwhelming... | ||
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darthfoley
United States8003 Posts
Where is the line for reasonable doubt with a thousand coincidences? | ||
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ROOTheognis
United States4482 Posts
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DamageControL
United States4222 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:21 yawnoC wrote: Why do I not feel shocked at all by this? I really hope TL does post who the "OP" actually is. WHY aren't we focusing on the koreans? | ||
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