[?] Spades hacking? - Page 285

On June 07 2012 13:47 StarStrider wrote:


"if u actualy watch the game you'd see that he had 0 vision of anything that could have hinted in the slightest to the attack coming, random lucky chance can happen ill give u that"

Hmmm now where have I heard this before. Ah yes, in pros giving their take on the incidents of Spades.

It's the same scenario. It's the same kind of random chances with the same kind of uncannily bad play that actually turns out to be an amazing blind reaction.

On June 07 2012 06:15 Spades wrote:


Here is more of the log, I dont know who this is, but apparently hes in a skype chat with me and like 20 other people. He's taking something out of context and being stupid.

[4:27:01 PM] Brian Francis: you saw they posted some new way
[4:27:04 PM] Brian Francis: of saying its 100% proof
[4:27:09 PM] Brian Francis: then it got proved wrong l ike a page later
[4:27:17 PM] Brian Francis: how catz said my clicks were too precise
[4:27:18 PM] Brian Francis: or some shit
[4:27:27 PM] Michael Francis: catz is an idiot
[4:27:33 PM] Brian Francis: everything he used as solid evidence
[4:27:34 PM] Michael Francis: precisely
[4:27:35 PM] Daltan Beach: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/uoc3a/conclusive_proof_that_spades_was_hacking/
[4:27:36 PM] Brian Francis: has been proven wrong
[4:27:38 PM] Daltan Beach: funniest shit ever
[4:27:56 PM] Daltan Beach: Post a picture of yourself reading a map
[4:27:59 PM] Brian Francis: yeah he posted that on TL.net
[4:28:00 PM] Daltan Beach: or atleast find one that i can post
[4:28:02 PM] Brian Francis: and it was proven wrong
[4:28:15 PM] Daltan Beach: If you give me a picture of you reading a map
[4:28:16 PM] Daltan Beach: or using a globe
[4:28:23 PM] Daltan Beach: Ill cry
[4:28:40 PM] Daltan Beach: [–]NeoDestiny 148 points 51 minutes ago
This is 100% conclusive. Really smart of the OP.
Here's the laymen's version if you're having trouble understanding -
Say you have a "real map" that is 1000x1000, and a "minimap" that is 100x100. This means that all of your clicks on the minimap are essentially multiplied by 10 to determine where they would fall on the real map. ie: clicking on 25x50 on the minimap would correspond to 250x500 on the real map, 46x89 would correspond to 460x890 on the real map, etc...etc...
According to Spades, he was clicking on the minimap to perform a lot of actions instead of scrolling into the fog of war to perform those same actions. The problem is that, during the replay, Spades screen is locked so that he must be clicking the minimap, but the clicks he's making are too precise to come from the minimap. Using our previous example, Spades is essentially claiming to be clicking a point like 252x582 on the minimap, which is impossible, as the closest we could get to that point is 25x58 or 26x59 on our minimap. Given the dimensions of the minimap, he is clicking with a precision that is impossible on the real map.
Clicks with that precision on the real map while the screen is locked means that one can say, without a shadow of a doubt, that Spades is maphacking.
[4:29:21 PM] Michael Francis: just take a picture of a globe next to your computer screen
[4:29:31 PM] Daltan Beach: thats perfect
[4:29:39 PM] Daltan Beach: thx spades' brother
[4:29:40 PM] Brian Francis: yeah then people on tl proved u can easily click those spots
[4:29:43 PM] Brian Francis: using minimap
[4:29:46 PM] Michael Francis: lol
[4:29:50 PM] Tito Santiago: rofl
[4:30:04 PM] Brian Francis: i dont own a globe
[4:30:11 PM] Michael Francis: how do i post on reddit
[4:30:14 PM] Michael Francis: "myth busted"
[4:30:25 PM] Tito Santiago: go find one
[4:30:34 PM] Tito Santiago: or like
[4:30:36 PM] Tito Santiago: stream
[4:30:44 PM] Tito Santiago: and while streaming open a map of the world on google maps
[4:30:50 PM] Daltan Beach: Let's accuse some pro of hacking
[4:30:53 PM] Daltan Beach: with no evidence
[4:30:54 PM] Tito Santiago: Lol
[4:30:57 PM] Daltan Beach: it'll be great
[4:31:02 PM] Daltan Beach: who has a lot of replays out
[4:31:05 PM] Daltan Beach: and we dont like
[4:31:27 PM] Michael Francis: lets accuse idra
[4:31:29 PM] Tito Santiago: hey daltan
[4:31:30 PM] Michael Francis: or catz
[4:31:33 PM] Tito Santiago: take that picture of catz
[4:31:39 PM] Tito Santiago: the judge one
[4:31:40 PM] Tito Santiago: and put
[4:31:53 PM] Michael Francis: i like how catz somehow knew all this information about the 'hack' mechanics
[4:31:54 PM] Tito Santiago: "Can't find a single note while singing, thinks he can find a hacker"
[4:31:59 PM] Tito Santiago: and post it on something
[4:31:59 PM] Michael Francis: like, oh if you right click into fog
[4:32:03 PM] Michael Francis: it doesn't lock
[4:32:15 PM] Michael Francis: but when your scrolling into the fog, shouldn't it lock before u ahve a chance to right click
[4:32:20 PM] Michael Francis: gg
[4:32:26 PM] Brian Francis: people have small brains
[4:32:32 PM] Tito Santiago: ^
[4:32:45 PM] Brian Francis: basically everything the hack does
[4:32:50 PM] Brian Francis: they cant prove i did any of it
[4:32:54 PM] Brian Francis: nor can they prove its possible
[4:33:01 PM] Brian Francis: because i do actions in these "camera lock" times
[4:33:05 PM] Michael Francis: basically your the best hacker in the world
[4:33:08 PM] Michael Francis: kids need to respect
[4:33:08 PM] Brian Francis: so people say I must have made my own private supe rhack
[4:33:12 PM] Tito Santiago: LOL
[4:33:12 PM] Brian Francis: or something
[4:33:19 PM] Michael Francis: undetectable
[4:33:21 PM] Brian Francis: they think this is swordfish
[4:33:23 PM] Brian Francis: or some shit
[4:33:31 PM] Michael Francis: since your a computer programmer
[4:33:42 PM] Tito Santiago: hahahah
[4:34:09 PM] Daltan Beach: terran 3/15 or some shit in GSL
[4:34:16 PM] Daltan Beach: fucking IMBA
[4:35:44 PM] Tito Santiago: lol

On June 07 2012 13:36 insanet wrote:


1. so watched hundreds of replays, and the only point you bring up is APM, how low apm is completely different to high apm?, in what way does it change everything?, it doesnt change that much, he probably micro a bit less in ladder, but saying is completely different is false.


2. sorry but "innocent until proven guilty" doesnt apply to rapers, pedophiles, ex-cheaters, because you have a past.



3. so you think he is still innocent in BW right?because thats what you saying. because he didnt get cought with what you call "100% proof" he got caught based on statistics. you think we need "100% proof" but we dont. so dont come asking "100% proof" not gonna happen.