EPT[?] Spades hacking? - Page 178
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07:06 KST - method linked here has been disproved here 10:54 KST - Find a full timeline of pro comments (including Spades) in the topic here. 08:47 KST - Summary: Accusations of maphacking have the potential to destroy a player's career if left unaddressed. Because of the potential consequences, we should be careful about accepting unproven accusations. The principle of 'innocent until proven guilty' should be applied here. That does not mean that there has been a conclusion about this case, however, which is why this thread remains tentatively open. Please discuss with caution and use evidence to back up your claims. (also a summary post by an unnamed pro on reddit here) | ||
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itsjuspeter
United States668 Posts
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Msr
Korea (South)495 Posts
On June 06 2012 03:23 ECHOZs wrote: What about the fog of war accusations those are the most damning to alot of people. appears his dreams didn't come up with an answer to that one :/ | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On June 06 2012 03:24 toiletCAT wrote: Google'd "Is Spades hacking" for the lulz, this is what d3scene.com has to say; + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/u8Mzf.png) Sorry, but I think we're trolling ourselves. This is pretty interesting. If even hackers don't think Spades is hacking...that says a lot. | ||
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artanis2
United States732 Posts
On June 06 2012 03:19 Spades wrote: Well after sleeping on it, I still don't really know what to say. But I can say this. Some pro's have come to me with support, or defended me in this thread. Other pro's have found it necessary to stream to 6k+ people that they have concrete technical evidence I hacked. Which shortly afterward had been proven wrong or inaccurate in this thread. I have done my best with limited knowledge to explain the situations of "suspicious activity". By "done my best" I imply that it is very difficult to accurately depict your exact thought process at these instances in the game, without actually being in that exact given moment playing the game. I made lucky judgement calls based on a lot of prior research. I also made countless terrible calls, resulting in losing some of the games. I think I played very poorly, and was actually quite lucky to have finished 3-4 vs LucifroN. I don't think it was an accurate depiction of how I normally play, but mirror matchups tend to be have a lot of random chance factor in. I won't be posting here again unless I find it imperative to do so. I have to try and focus on Anaheim, in which I will be participating in WCS and MLG. I have been practicing very hard for these events, and I hope to show how I can really play. Thanks for all who support me. I'm sorry that you were caught cheating. Your camera work in the showmatch games was 100% different than your ladder games. This is 100% fact. You made many "mistakes" where you risked your entire army by walking into an area without scouting first. This is 100% fact. I find it impossible to believe that you are not a cheater. | ||
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Gardel
Mexico220 Posts
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JustTray
127 Posts
On June 06 2012 03:25 Msr wrote: appears his dreams didn't come up with an answer to that one :/ It's often difficult for cheaters to come up with excuses. He doesn't even bother. | ||
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-ForeverAlone-
274 Posts
On June 06 2012 03:19 Spades wrote: Well after sleeping on it, I still don't really know what to say. But I can say this. Some pro's have come to me with support, or defended me in this thread. Other pro's have found it necessary to stream to 6k+ people that they have concrete technical evidence I hacked. Which shortly afterward had been proven wrong or inaccurate in this thread. I have done my best with limited knowledge to explain the situations of "suspicious activity". By "done my best" I imply that it is very difficult to accurately depict your exact thought process at these instances in the game, without actually being in that exact given moment playing the game. I made lucky judgement calls based on a lot of prior research. I also made countless terrible calls, resulting in losing some of the games. I think I played very poorly, and was actually quite lucky to have finished 3-4 vs LucifroN. I don't think it was an accurate depiction of how I normally play, but mirror matchups tend to be have a lot of random chance factor in. I won't be posting here again unless I find it imperative to do so. I have to try and focus on Anaheim, in which I will be participating in WCS and MLG. I have been practicing very hard for these events, and I hope to show how I can really play. Thanks for all who support me. So you bringing a USB key with hacks for MLG?  | ||
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Gardel
Mexico220 Posts
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
On June 06 2012 03:26 Shiori wrote: This is pretty interesting. If even hackers don't think Spades is hacking...that says a lot. Everyone misunderstood camera lock. Your APM does not register any actions while under camera lock, while Spades was CLEARLY doing shit. He wasn't hacking. | ||
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quarkle
United Kingdom92 Posts
On June 05 2012 17:38 GhostFiber wrote: Of course no game can be un-cheatable, but it can be raised to a point were those who 'can' cheat your game are too busy building space shuttles for NASA, people with reputable jobs. Once complexity reaches a certain point, basement hackers lack the experience to break your hardware/software. Like some of the newest Casinos or like the Xbox360 (yes, there is some drive disc trick to play burnt xbox360 media, but no hacker has publicly stated a way to run their own xbox360 code in over 7 years, it's an impressive amount of time to keep a device secure.) Not so sure about that. The xbox drive firmware was bypassed years ago and a glitch trick was discovered a while back that allows 360 users to run unsigned code/homebrew. In other words the 360 has been cracked wide open. | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On June 06 2012 03:29 ch33psh33p wrote: Everyone misunderstood camera lock. Your APM does not register any actions while under camera lock, while Spades was CLEARLY doing shit. He wasn't hacking. Yeah. I've been reading a bit about this supposed camera lock. Apparently it just allows you to look. It doesn't actually allow you to take any actions. | ||
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DJFaqU
466 Posts
On June 06 2012 03:25 itsjuspeter wrote: I can't believe people are still defending him, no one can even come up with an explanation as to why he NEVER looks into a full fog of war but in normal replays of his ladder he does. It is the sole reason I am 100% sure he hacks. Can anyone disprove or give me a valid argument as to why this is? The burden of proof is on you. | ||
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rei
United States3593 Posts
On June 06 2012 03:08 Plansix wrote: Define "prove", please. What standard of proof are you requiring? Are we talking about "beyond a reasonable doubt" or "clear and convincing evidence"? What better than showing you and example of the standard of Proof we required here in TL by quoting TL's admin's work, which puts this thread to shame. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=69911 | ||
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toiletCAT
Qatar284 Posts
On June 06 2012 03:30 Shiori wrote: Yeah. I've been reading a bit about this supposed camera lock. Apparently it just allows you to look. It doesn't actually allow you to take any actions. Some other guy said this earlier but got bashed by 8 people because they thought he was "wrong" and "stupid" | ||
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JustTray
127 Posts
On June 06 2012 03:29 ch33psh33p wrote: Everyone misunderstood camera lock. Your APM does not register any actions while under camera lock, while Spades was CLEARLY doing shit. He wasn't hacking. Camera Lock was one, very small issue. I really hope you aren't attempting to ignore everything else simply because one version of maphack doesn't count APM during camera lock, because that would be pants-on-head retarded. | ||
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Rowrin
United States280 Posts
On June 06 2012 03:24 toiletCAT wrote: Google'd "Is Spades hacking" for the lulz, this is what d3scene.com has to say; + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/bzLkC.png) Sorry, but I think we're trolling ourselves. basically. . . Seriously, after that stream with ill, catz, and whoever else there, my respect for the majority of this community has tanked for promoting this pointless witchhunt. | ||
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Ghostface_Killa
United States168 Posts
WE ARE THE JURY. IF, AFTER THOROUGH REVIEW Spades is kicked from his team it's because the majority of his mates think he's guilty. If he's shunned by this community it's because the majority of us believe he is guilty. If he's blacklisted from tournaments it's because the majority of officials believe he is guilty. If you're in the minority, tough luck because that's the way the world works and Starcraft is no exception. PS - Spades hacking in the past and denying it doesn't help his case much, does it. | ||
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whiteLotus
1833 Posts
On June 06 2012 03:26 Shiori wrote: This is pretty interesting. If even hackers don't think Spades is hacking...that says a lot. Wow good fucking job at posting links to sc2 hacks... realy man.. ban this garbage already | ||
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skycobra
Canada14 Posts
DISCOUNT ALL OF THESE CASES We shoudn't even consider the magic scans as evidence since it has been illustrated that you can indeed scan just off the edge of your screen without using the mini map. DISCOUNT THESE CASES However, I agree with Merz and TT1. Humans are creatures of HABIT. Spades has the habit/mechanics just like every other player. He clicks often into the fog of war sans minimap, He always looks at enemy bases while scouting with his worker. He looks where he scans. His POV is never idle in random places on map for more than 5 seconds after 10 mins into the game. There are hundreds of readily available games illustrating him the doing above HABITUAL things. In the 7 games played against lucifron (and games against theognis) he suddenly drops ALL above listed habits. How is it possible for a human being to drop said habitual actions so easily? I cannot think of a reasonable explination as to why he decided to almost only use the mini map for clicking into the fog of war in this b07, contrary to his habitual play. I cannot think of a reasonable explination as to why he decided to almost only use the mini map for scanning in this b07, and then does not look at where he scanned, contrary to his habitual play. It would naive to think that a player can drop thousands of hours of habitual play and decide to do things differently for an important b07. If Spades could give a reasonable explination of how & why he changed his habitual gameplay for this b07 then we can discount ALL other points made by accepting that Spades got lucky. | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On June 06 2012 03:31 JustTray wrote: Camera Lock was one, very small issue. I really hope you aren't attempting to ignore everything else simply because one version of maphack doesn't count APM during camera lock, because that would be pants-on-head retarded. It's not that it doesn't count APM. It's that it doesn't let you do anything. | ||
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