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You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody.
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On September 24 2013 01:28 Imperatoss wrote:Hacker Name: JoãoJardim Server: NA League: Grandmaster/Master Description: He didnt scout on Whirlwind, Build a proxy Pylon at my position and warped in there 2 DT´s. Then an attack move to my proxy pylon to see an Oracle or Warp Prism. Please check that, maybe i´m wrong. And he has a really low APM for a GM. Replay: http://drop.sc/360337
Wont comment on the APM, but knew exactly were you were, and that pylonsnipe, i would call it "not legit play".
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On September 17 2013 09:03 S2Lunar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2013 00:04 FFW_Rude wrote:On September 15 2013 11:21 S2Lunar wrote:Hacker name: llllllllllll Server: na Rank: Masters Replay: http://drop.sc/359493zero explanation needed. the most obvious hacker ive ever played. disgusting On September 16 2013 21:48 dohgg wrote:Hello guys, This is a map hacker sure, his name is [CSN]DoubleG. Predicts every move, every drop, my opening w/o scouting anything. The biggest alarm bell was when i watched the replay and saw that he was looking on my base w/o scouting (looking on fog of war). Replay: http://drop.sc/359637 If you don't bother to write timestamp down, how could we want to look through 20replays and don't know what to look for ? Zero explanation needed is for me => zero watching. Explain a little more please if you want people to watch it. If you actually watch the rep you would notice everything from the beginning. theres nothing subtle about it so no point for timestamps.
Sure ! I will help you if you don't help me ! That's cool ! I told you i didn't watch the rep .... because i didn't know what to look for... if the move starts at 20minutes... i'm going to skip to 20minutes. if not.. i'm going to watch 20 useless minutes.
I'm not the only one to request times. A lot of the contributors to this thread did too...
On topic because i have time tonight
PinkLenva vs tomve =>
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9ish
Put ghost academy when twilight
put starport when support bay and double viking
12:00
Still no scout
14:ish
Pre-split army - Pre-siege
15:ish
Right click near proxy pylon (still no scout)
Then right click near other proxy pylon.
Pink Lena vs Barcode on Yeonsu
+ Show Spoiler +
3:49 fog pick
5:ish
Blind bunkers
8:30
Support bay. Instant starport. Still 0 vision
9:30
WP interception with no vision
11:30
Intercept probe and go to proxy pylon with right click on it
12:00
Split army to kill WP
13:30
intercept army with no vision (still no scout)
vs barcode again on derelict
Nothing but .. with the other 2 replays....
So next...
Imperatoss vs joaoJardim
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6:20
Puts proxy without having scouted the other player
7:51
Warps DT and right click in main that he does not know is here (whirlwind)
9:00
Snipes proxy pylon (the one at the thrid could be standard so...)
That's just what i saw
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Interesting that both PinkLena and DaNkS write "hahaha" at the start of the game. Dont seem to have matching apm/hotkeys but still a thing that I noticed. Didnt download all of the reps tho.
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I just played someone who went crazy after our match, insulting me in chat saying i was a noob for going "1 base banelings" and "banelings before 3rd". the strange thing is that ... i did not. normally i wouldn't think anything of it, the guy was clearly not right in the head. except, he really did bunker up at his ramp and act as if he thought he was going to get baneling busted, the exact moment that i made a defensive baneling nest, without having vision of it. he could have counted my gas, however. other than that, he didn't have any vision, i don't think he even knew if i had taken a 3rd or not. he was wrong about my baneling bust- but he did react as if i was going to do one the moment i made a baneling nest. also, he's been from masters league to gold league many times in his career summary, and his apm is only about 100. it makes me suspect he might be using a production tab hack. i'm not even 100% sure that those exist, but have heard of them. what do you think?
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On September 24 2013 14:54 xxjcdentonxx wrote:
I just played someone who went crazy after our match, insulting me in chat saying i was a noob for going "1 base banelings" and "banelings before 3rd". the strange thing is that ... i did not. normally i wouldn't think anything of it, the guy was clearly not right in the head. except, he really did bunker up at his ramp and act as if he thought he was going to get baneling busted, the exact moment that i made a defensive baneling nest, without having vision of it. he could have counted my gas, however. other than that, he didn't have any vision, i don't think he even knew if i had taken a 3rd or not. he was wrong about my baneling bust- but he did react as if i was going to do one the moment i made a baneling nest. also, he's been from masters league to gold league many times in his career summary, and his apm is only about 100. it makes me suspect he might be using a production tab hack. i'm not even 100% sure that those exist, but have heard of them. what do you think?
I think that if we dont see the replay we cannot judge anyone by your assumptions. On the other hand APM does not mean anything. If you dont spam you can go very low and still be in master league. One example would be PainUser who has been top masters many times and his APM is on average 120+.
Surely your opponent could be hacking but it has to be proven first.
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On September 24 2013 14:54 xxjcdentonxx wrote:
I just played someone who went crazy after our match, insulting me in chat saying i was a noob for going "1 base banelings" and "banelings before 3rd". the strange thing is that ... i did not. normally i wouldn't think anything of it, the guy was clearly not right in the head. except, he really did bunker up at his ramp and act as if he thought he was going to get baneling busted, the exact moment that i made a defensive baneling nest, without having vision of it. he could have counted my gas, however. other than that, he didn't have any vision, i don't think he even knew if i had taken a 3rd or not. he was wrong about my baneling bust- but he did react as if i was going to do one the moment i made a baneling nest. also, he's been from masters league to gold league many times in his career summary, and his apm is only about 100. it makes me suspect he might be using a production tab hack. i'm not even 100% sure that those exist, but have heard of them. what do you think?
Well... I think that (sorry i'm going to be a little harsh but i'm not an english person so... ponderate the tone).
1) You did not post a replay
2) You did not include the player name (good because you can't name someone with no replay but you can ask if we talked about him in this thread earlier)
3) You forgot to press enter a few time in your text and it is difficult ro read.
4) If he counted your gas he must have clicked the geysers. So watch for that.
5) You don't think he knew if you took a third.. well watch the rep with his vision.. you'll know.
6) DO NOT bring APM to a hacking discussion. We don't care, it's not relevant. Because what would you say about GooDY ? White-ra etc...
7) Production tab hack exist, you can see it in videos that are in the OP.
Hacking is a plague but hack fear is worst. Yesterday, there was a clan war between my GF's team and another, they were streaming and constantly saying the my GF's team was hacking. All the time they insulted the other team...
I know how they play so i might be bias so... Could some watch and comment if i upload it (i ask because... it's a clan war. So there is like 7 bo3 i think).
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On September 22 2013 22:33 Zhearsgu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 03:43 Yonnua wrote:On September 21 2013 01:36 Zhearsgu wrote:Nick: [VFǂ] dunamis League: Master I hope i can still apply this here even though it is team games(He is Master in 1v1 also). Played a few games with him. I noticed suspicious behavior and went back and checked. It would be greatly appreciated if I could get a second opinion on this. This is the most suspicious one http://drop.sc/360058 We do scout a SCV going into the base, but no one saw that. He never mentioned it when we asked how he knew either. He pings the map, looks over the proxy buildings (several times) tells our allies to scout there. (he does scout the corresponding place in his base also, but this could just be "to make it look good") He then starts to rally lings towards the proxy before it is scouted. Another one: http://drop.sc/360064Here he attacks a proxy pylon that is not scouted, clicking right on top of it at ~5:48. Also warns about DTs before it got scouted. Two more replays if it is needed: http://drop.sc/360059http://drop.sc/360060 I can confirm he hacks in 1v1 also. Just had a game where I built a cannon in his base and he immediately pulled all his workers to attack it even though it was out of his vision. Would you mind posting the replay of this?
http://drop.sc/360394
Apologies for bm.
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On September 24 2013 19:16 Yonnua wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 22:33 Zhearsgu wrote:On September 22 2013 03:43 Yonnua wrote:On September 21 2013 01:36 Zhearsgu wrote:Nick: [VFǂ] dunamis League: Master I hope i can still apply this here even though it is team games(He is Master in 1v1 also). Played a few games with him. I noticed suspicious behavior and went back and checked. It would be greatly appreciated if I could get a second opinion on this. This is the most suspicious one http://drop.sc/360058 We do scout a SCV going into the base, but no one saw that. He never mentioned it when we asked how he knew either. He pings the map, looks over the proxy buildings (several times) tells our allies to scout there. (he does scout the corresponding place in his base also, but this could just be "to make it look good") He then starts to rally lings towards the proxy before it is scouted. Another one: http://drop.sc/360064Here he attacks a proxy pylon that is not scouted, clicking right on top of it at ~5:48. Also warns about DTs before it got scouted. Two more replays if it is needed: http://drop.sc/360059http://drop.sc/360060 I can confirm he hacks in 1v1 also. Just had a game where I built a cannon in his base and he immediately pulled all his workers to attack it even though it was out of his vision. Would you mind posting the replay of this? http://drop.sc/360394Apologies for bm.
Didnt look at the replay but a 3 minute long pvp and you accuse someone of maphack? Im pretty sure its just you getting mad.
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I watched the replays, this proves nothing. The 1v1 replay is simply sovereign being stupid. The guy saw ur probe and scouted ur pylon and he ALSO had a probe in your base scouting, any good player will know what you are doing when you are scouted. I dont see any BS here, you guys should really consider spending your time more wisely.
And sovereign ive played you a few times on ladder and you accuse of hacking and bm always, sounds like if u lose your opponent must be hacking.
GL Guys and GG
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On September 25 2013 00:01 RememberGOD wrote:
I watched the replays, this proves nothing. The 1v1 replay is simply sovereign being stupid. The guy saw ur probe and scouted ur pylon and he ALSO had a probe in your base scouting, any good player will know you are cannon rushing with a forge in your base. I dont see any BS here, you guys should really consider spending your time more wisely.
And sovereign ive played you a few times on ladder and you accuse of hacking and bm always, sounds like if u lose your opponent must be hacking.
GL Guys and GG
Did you watch the other replay of the guy ? (maybe you are him). What do you think of them ? (i'm not saying you are the guy that potentially hack. I did not watch the replay  cause i'm at work)
I'll watch them tonight when i get home.
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LOL i wish i could be this guy  The team games look strange, but that is team games. Nothing concrete imo to say he was hacking. LOL what i find funny tho is it was team games, how much do you really care about the team games and even if the guy was hacking, its team games people!! If I 1v1, I care if someone hacks, cause its a direct violation of my skill versus theirs. I couldnt care about what people do in team games. But i suppose some people take there team games VERY seriously hence this post...
GL Guys and GG
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On September 24 2013 03:16 J_EU wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 01:28 Imperatoss wrote:Hacker Name: JoãoJardim Server: NA League: Grandmaster/Master Description: He didnt scout on Whirlwind, Build a proxy Pylon at my position and warped in there 2 DT´s. Then an attack move to my proxy pylon to see an Oracle or Warp Prism. Please check that, maybe i´m wrong. And he has a really low APM for a GM. Replay: http://drop.sc/360337 Wont comment on the APM, but knew exactly were you were, and that pylonsnipe, i would call it "not legit play".
And where did you know that from?
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On September 25 2013 02:49 Imperatoss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 03:16 J_EU wrote:On September 24 2013 01:28 Imperatoss wrote:Hacker Name: JoãoJardim Server: NA League: Grandmaster/Master Description: He didnt scout on Whirlwind, Build a proxy Pylon at my position and warped in there 2 DT´s. Then an attack move to my proxy pylon to see an Oracle or Warp Prism. Please check that, maybe i´m wrong. And he has a really low APM for a GM. Replay: http://drop.sc/360337 Wont comment on the APM, but knew exactly were you were, and that pylonsnipe, i would call it "not legit play". And where did you know that from?
What ? Maybe because he watched the replay you posted... Did you mistype ?
On September 25 2013 00:31 RememberGOD wrote:LOL i wish i could be this guy The team games look strange, but that is team games. Nothing concrete imo to say he was hacking. LOL what i find funny tho is it was team games, how much do you really care about the team games and even if the guy was hacking, its team games people!! If I 1v1, I care if someone hacks, cause its a direct violation of my skill versus theirs. I couldnt care about what people do in team games. But i suppose some people take there team games VERY seriously hence this post... GL Guys and GG
Team games are fun. If you play against someone who is hacking in teamgames it's not fun. And wtf ? If the guy hacks in team games. You think he doesn't in 1vs1 ???? What the hell is that kind of thinking ?
Do not say this guy hack because i didn't watch the replay for now. Maybe after wcs.
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@ FFW_Rude You seem like you are the owner and moderator of this thread???? It appears you have a comment for everyone who has an opinion and that what you say is final. I dont know who you are bro, but i dont much care for your know it all attitude. Take this as constructive criticism, treat people with a kind humilty and you would get much more..
GL and GG
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On September 25 2013 04:03 RememberGOD wrote:
@ FFW_Rude You seem like you are the owner and moderator of this thread???? It appears you have a comment for everyone who has an opinion and that what you say is final. I dont know who you are bro, but i dont much care for your know it all attitude. Take this as constructive criticism, treat people with a kind humilty and you would get much more..
GL and GG
No i'm not. The "owner" is away for now. And moderators name are in blue/red. I'm just a casual TL poster. I am not a native english speaker but i didn't think you would take this "bad". Sorry about that.
What i wanted to say, is like : people takes team games too seriously and this should not be discussed because don't care about hackers in team games.
That what i understood about your message.
And i don't understand why you say that. It's equally important that a player is cheating in a team game, because this person play 1v1 too. And you say that you don't find cheating good in 1v1. So i did not get why you said that.
Maybe too much of : "????" made the thing more agressive. But that was not my point to be
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What i wanted to say, is like : people takes team games too seriously and this should not be discussed because don't care about hackers in team games.
Um, who the fuck are you to say that team games are not important and hackers in team games should not even be mentioned? 2v2 has some of the worst hackers and IS as competitive (at the high levels) as 1v1 is (minus JUST the pro scene). So...saying that team games are meaningless and not important is only as true as saying that 1v1 is meaningless and not important OTHER THAN PROFESSIONAL GAMES/TOURNIES. Also, the guy you were replying to is correct, your an arrogant dumbass who has no business having the attitude that you do.
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On September 25 2013 04:23 bluesteel22 wrote:
*What i wanted to say, is like : people takes team games too seriously and this should not be discussed because don't care about hackers in team games.*
Um, who the fuck are you to say that team games are not important and hackers in team games should not even be mentioned? 2v2 has some of the worst hackers and IS as competitive (at the high levels) as 1v1 is (minus JUST the pro scene). So...saying that team games are meaningless and not important is only as true as saying that 1v1 is meaningless and not important OTHER THAN PROFESSIONAL GAMES/TOURNIES. Also, the guy you were replying to is correct, your an arrogant dumbass who has no business having the attitude that you do.
The message you quoted was what i understood about his posts. Not what i think about the case...
Also it is no need to insult me...
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The message you quoted was what i understood about his posts. Not what i think about the case...
If that is the case then I misread and apologize. Assuming that what you say is correct, HE is now the dumbass and you are no longer an arrogant dumbass but valid in your anger. Sorry.
EDIT: confirmed, it is RememberGOD that is the fool here. You want to call 4v4 a joke...fine, but I guaranty that ALL the top 2v2ers would destroy you in 1v1 or any team game you wanted.
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On September 25 2013 04:32 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 04:27 bluesteel22 wrote:
The message you quoted was what i understood about his posts. Not what i think about the case...
If that is the case then I misread and apologize. Assuming that what you say is correct, HE is now the dumbass and you are no longer an arrogant dumbass but valid in your anger. Sorry. I'm not angry  damn i'm not that good with english. Let's clarify so all is good - I understood from his posts that hackers in Teamgames where meaningless and that it was only important on 1v1 (but i could understand wrong). - So i told him that i did not get that kind of thinking because 2v2 players plays 1v1 too. So if they hack in 2v2 so probably hack in 1v1 too. - He thought i was bad to him, but that was not really what i wanted him too feel. - So i replay with the post you quoted trying to explain myself Also mind your insults with your post count if you get reported you could have trouble. Maybe dumbass is not a real insult but just strong word. Don't know
I think you misunderstood me, I apologized to you. It was the person you were talking to at the time that was in the wrong. About my insults, they were unwarranted towards you, so I retracted them and admitted I was wrong. Otherwise, I say it like it is. RememberGOD is a dumbass and he deserves to be called as such. People have problems with that, doesn't change it from being true. If I get banned or something for that...well that says a lot more about the moderators than it does me and I can live with that new knowledge. The truth hurts but it is one of the most important things in this world.
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