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You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody.

Additionally, a supporting comment of what people should be looking for and when will be necessary if you are posting replays/evidence.
NrG.NeverExpo
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2114 Posts
June 09 2013 02:27 GMT
#6081
On June 09 2013 02:40 Frozt2 wrote:
Hacker name :[iGAY]Kelly
Server :NA
League Top Master Protoss
Description I open dt's and he w/o scouting goes double observer with no inmortals and no expansion, and after that he just moves whenever i move and copies what im doing as in taking expansions
http://drop.sc/340989

yea I would totally disregard this post. KellY has played many games with my team and I have never seen anything suspicious, he is a well known BW player and I'd be extremely surprised if that was true.

Also pretty sure those 2 accounts are the same mad guy TT
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FT.aCt)Sony
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1048 Posts
June 09 2013 02:50 GMT
#6082
On June 09 2013 11:27 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 02:40 Frozt2 wrote:
Hacker name :[iGAY]Kelly
Server :NA
League Top Master Protoss
Description I open dt's and he w/o scouting goes double observer with no inmortals and no expansion, and after that he just moves whenever i move and copies what im doing as in taking expansions
http://drop.sc/340989

yea I would totally disregard this post. KellY has played many games with my team and I have never seen anything suspicious, he is a well known BW player and I'd be extremely surprised if that was true.

Also pretty sure those 2 accounts are the same mad guy TT


Confirm with Kurt on this one. I've known Kelly for a very long time way back when in BW days (2002-2003 starting).
furyofSkanks
Profile Joined March 2012
32 Posts
June 09 2013 05:17 GMT
#6083
Player name: Bojijai

NA server 2v2 maphacker

Diamond / platnum level.

Here is the replay
http://drop.sc/341063

At 17:40 he moves his void rays from the middle of the map to to the bottom right for no reason other then to cut off my doom drop from getting into his base.

dcnb
Profile Joined October 2010
Austria45 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-09 10:17:38
June 09 2013 10:16 GMT
#6084
Player Name: [SPG] majesty

Server: EU

League: Diamond

Replay:http://drop.sc/341075 http://drop.sc/341075

I was on tilt an 6pooled him. hell i dont even know how to 6pool properly . how ever he went blind 2 gate without core and walled his ramp without scouting.. funny shit

€: if diamonder not the right place for here, pls remove it
CreatureSC2
Profile Joined July 2010
United States156 Posts
June 09 2013 12:06 GMT
#6085
On June 09 2013 11:12 wUndertUnge wrote:
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On June 09 2013 07:20 PanN wrote:
On June 09 2013 06:57 TheCreature wrote:
On June 09 2013 02:40 Frozt2 wrote:
Hacker name :[iGAY]Kelly
Server :NA
League Top Master Protoss
Description I open dt's and he w/o scouting goes double observer with no inmortals and no expansion, and after that he just moves whenever i move and copies what im doing as in taking expansions
http://drop.sc/340989


This guy is absolutely not a map hacker. His build is completely standard, he scouts with hallucinations constantly and Kelly even ends up losing. 1st post too? What are you doing?


Who cares if its his first post? He called out someone he thinks is a map hacker and provided his evidence, nothing wrong with that yo.


The post underneath is with only 2 posts, though, is kind of suspect. Multiple accounts? Same icon even.


Not only that but he posts 3 minutes after the original post. He was able to find the post, read the post, watch the replay and make a paragraph response in 3 minutes? I don't think so.
Blezza
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom191 Posts
June 09 2013 12:38 GMT
#6086
On June 09 2013 21:06 TheCreature wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 11:12 wUndertUnge wrote:
On June 09 2013 07:20 PanN wrote:
On June 09 2013 06:57 TheCreature wrote:
On June 09 2013 02:40 Frozt2 wrote:
Hacker name :[iGAY]Kelly
Server :NA
League Top Master Protoss
Description I open dt's and he w/o scouting goes double observer with no inmortals and no expansion, and after that he just moves whenever i move and copies what im doing as in taking expansions
http://drop.sc/340989


This guy is absolutely not a map hacker. His build is completely standard, he scouts with hallucinations constantly and Kelly even ends up losing. 1st post too? What are you doing?


Who cares if its his first post? He called out someone he thinks is a map hacker and provided his evidence, nothing wrong with that yo.


The post underneath is with only 2 posts, though, is kind of suspect. Multiple accounts? Same icon even.


Not only that but he posts 3 minutes after the original post. He was able to find the post, read the post, watch the replay and make a paragraph response in 3 minutes? I don't think so.


I also the fact that the second guy didn't have a replay. Obv if it was only one guy he would have played the protoss only once
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JianG
Profile Joined August 2004
Canada48 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-09 14:50:05
June 09 2013 14:48 GMT
#6087
On June 09 2013 02:40 Frozt2 wrote:
Hacker name :[iGAY]Kelly
Server :NA
League Top Master Protoss
Description I open dt's and he w/o scouting goes double observer with no inmortals and no expansion, and after that he just moves whenever i move and copies what im doing as in taking expansions
http://drop.sc/340989


Me<===== [iGaY]KellY/oG)JianG/8_Ball-=EFC=-/KellY[LighT]/TheZealOtMST

This guy raged so hard when he lost trash talking after game and had me on ignore... I'm pretty sure I was just playing safe I can even provide a replay where i use the same safe build at a LAN tournament 2 weeks ago where I had 10 people standing behind me watching me play. Also would like to add my 15 years of playing SC1/SCBW/WoL/HotS most of the time when I have been accused of hacking it turns out sooner or later the accuser gets caught hacking and is just some kid raging.

Thanks TheCreature, Sony & Neverexpo for stating the obvious. It's nice to see some people know the difference between random accusations and proof.
Frozt2
Profile Joined June 2013
Peru2 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-09 20:22:19
June 09 2013 20:11 GMT
#6088
On June 09 2013 23:48 JianG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 02:40 Frozt2 wrote:
Hacker name :[iGAY]Kelly
Server :NA
League Top Master Protoss
Description I open dt's and he w/o scouting goes double observer with no inmortals and no expansion, and after that he just moves whenever i move and copies what im doing as in taking expansions
http://drop.sc/340989


Me<===== [iGaY]KellY/oG)JianG/8_Ball-=EFC=-/KellY[LighT]/TheZealOtMST

This guy raged so hard when he lost trash talking after game and had me on ignore... I'm pretty sure I was just playing safe I can even provide a replay where i use the same safe build at a LAN tournament 2 weeks ago where I had 10 people standing behind me watching me play. Also would like to add my 15 years of playing SC1/SCBW/WoL/HotS most of the time when I have been accused of hacking it turns out sooner or later the accuser gets caught hacking and is just some kid raging.

Thanks TheCreature, Sony & Neverexpo for stating the obvious. It's nice to see some people know the difference between random accusations and proof.



Dude i won that game and i didnt say a word to you aswell i didnt have you blocked, at least check the replay before you start saying trash LOLOLOL plus i saw the replay with alot of people, yea im raging because i won ? next time make sense pls, have a nice day.
I saw the replay with more people like i said before and they are posting after me aswell, the icon is just the default one when you create a TL post? i mean who goes 2 obs before inmortal in pvp w/o taking expand or scouting the enemy? i still won the game but pls go hack somewhere else

User was banned for this post.
Montisumo
Profile Joined January 2013
3 Posts
June 09 2013 20:11 GMT
#6089
On June 09 2013 11:12 wUndertUnge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 07:20 PanN wrote:
On June 09 2013 06:57 TheCreature wrote:
On June 09 2013 02:40 Frozt2 wrote:
Hacker name :[iGAY]Kelly
Server :NA
League Top Master Protoss
Description I open dt's and he w/o scouting goes double observer with no inmortals and no expansion, and after that he just moves whenever i move and copies what im doing as in taking expansions
http://drop.sc/340989


This guy is absolutely not a map hacker. His build is completely standard, he scouts with hallucinations constantly and Kelly even ends up losing. 1st post too? What are you doing?


Who cares if its his first post? He called out someone he thinks is a map hacker and provided his evidence, nothing wrong with that yo.


The post underneath is with only 2 posts, though, is kind of suspect. Multiple accounts? Same icon even.


not suspicious, i rarely post on TL. I watched the replay with Frozt and a GM friend who both agreed that this is strong evidence of a maphacker REGARDLESS of the reputation this individual upholds in your eyes. The evidence is out there... Follow the data not your pre and misconceptions.

Happy hunting
wUndertUnge
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1125 Posts
June 09 2013 20:46 GMT
#6090
On June 10 2013 05:11 Montisumo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 11:12 wUndertUnge wrote:
On June 09 2013 07:20 PanN wrote:
On June 09 2013 06:57 TheCreature wrote:
On June 09 2013 02:40 Frozt2 wrote:
Hacker name :[iGAY]Kelly
Server :NA
League Top Master Protoss
Description I open dt's and he w/o scouting goes double observer with no inmortals and no expansion, and after that he just moves whenever i move and copies what im doing as in taking expansions
http://drop.sc/340989


This guy is absolutely not a map hacker. His build is completely standard, he scouts with hallucinations constantly and Kelly even ends up losing. 1st post too? What are you doing?


Who cares if its his first post? He called out someone he thinks is a map hacker and provided his evidence, nothing wrong with that yo.


The post underneath is with only 2 posts, though, is kind of suspect. Multiple accounts? Same icon even.


not suspicious, i rarely post on TL. I watched the replay with Frozt and a GM friend who both agreed that this is strong evidence of a maphacker REGARDLESS of the reputation this individual upholds in your eyes. The evidence is out there... Follow the data not your pre and misconceptions.

Happy hunting


So if you rarely post, how is that you were on just in time to comment from the guy above you. Dude, if you're going to lie, you should at least learn how to lie well.

Actually, just don't lie...
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kckkryptonite
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
1126 Posts
June 09 2013 21:29 GMT
#6091
On January 22 2013 05:27 Grimmyman123 wrote:
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On January 20 2013 15:57 city42 wrote:
On January 20 2013 15:37 Grimmyman123 wrote:
If you don't mind uploading a few that would be great.
Thing is, while he admits to hacking, he only admits to it having been done on a different account. That is enough proof for us, but that is not enough for Blizz for this exact account. To get a replay would be icing on the cake.

drop.sc won't let me upload a pack without signing up for some premium service, so I uploaded it here.


Player: Isuruscham aka Cham
Rank: GM
Profile: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2680634/1/Cham/

Several replays were provided. My note are as follows.

Daybreak LE (82)
1:20 Looks around under guise of overlord clicks
2:12 Looks around again
5:21 Moves zerglings back to address cannons to which he has no vision at his 3rd.

Antiga Shipyard (55)
10:00 Looks around in base
11:30 Looks again
12:20 Loos at army before engaging

]cloud kingdom LE (3)
6:05 - sends lings to get probe
6:07 - Peeks at gases
6:58 - Looks at Zealot
7:00 Looks at empty main
8:29 - Peeks fast
11:27 Looks at army
13:22 peeks at front of base
14:00 positions army left side of map in response to opponent movement

DAybreak (261)
1:06 Good looking around
13:09 Looks back at natural expo
13:30 - Auto inject? REALLY fast injects, 4 bases in 1 second.
14:04 - Auto inject? REALLY fast injects, 4 bases in 1 second.
15:10 - Auto inject? REALLY fast injects, 4 bases in 1 second.

Antiga Shipyard
6 Pool. Scouts lucky.

Daybreay (231)
Nothing notable, usual fascination with checking and double checking his scouting overlords and looking around where they are going.

Entombed Valley (197)
Scouts Verticle position start. (pre patch?) !!!
4:00 Frequent looks
4:45 Probe at his 3rd.
8:20 looks at front wall
12:20 looks at front wall off
15:01 Auto inject? injects so fast.
16:04 Same as above

Cloud kingdom (189)
Scouts a 4gate by protoss with no expo, and expands to his 3rd at 5:46 after protoss takes his expo. Has virtually no army.
6:30 fast peek at attack incoming
odd thing, his vision shows the timer on hallucinated phoenix. ??
19:48 Peeks at protoss 4th.

Entombed Valley (87)
5:32 peeks at front
9:00 Takes blind 4th after opponent expands with 20 lings as sole defense.

Entombed Valley (86)
6pools close by ground positions. Lucky.

Shakuras Plateau (63)
"Finds" probe with lings at 3rd
9:20 - Push moves out, no vision, instantly makes static defenses at natural and 3rd bases
13:00 Looks at observer
15:21 Peeks through Fog at stalkers shooting at rocks.

Replay # 296889 vs Revelations
-Looks at front wall severall times
-Sends lings to front wall which is not completed.

Several instances are key and are sure tells for me:
Addressing the unknown Cannons on Daybreak LE (82);
Expanding to 3rd though an impending and scouted 4gate or similar push is incoming Cloud kingdom (189);
Taking a blind 4th on Entombed Valley (87);
and the solid look at the stalkers breaking down rocks on Shakuras Plateau (63)

NOTE: This player hides peeks and looks through fog of war VERY well, under the guise of overlord or army units. One example of this is on Cloud Kingdom, as well as other maps, where he will move the army and click on the ramp or near the wall, get his look, and then move elsewhere on the map. The force sometimes is so small that it is obvious there is no intent to attack, and often times does not even poke to see what defense or units are present. This is especially evident on 4 player maps, where he will often send out the overlords to scout, and a GREAT deal of attention to the overlord scouting the proper position will be made, clicking and looking at the opponents base, though actual position not yet scouted proper.
If an overlord has vision of an area, almost always the player is looking at the fog of war near this overlord, not at what the overlord actually has vision of. Having watched MANY replays, his vision habits regarding scouting overlords is not normal or even close to it. He's constantly looking around "moving" his overlords in the opponents base and area.

My Opinion. The player is using a production tab hack and map hack and is exceedingly smart about it, and disguses most peeks as "movements" of units or overlords. Possible inject hack or assist is employed.


IMO, Cham is a definite maphacker, guy always blind counters my builds, intercepts drops. Grossly obvious.
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nAnO!
Profile Joined February 2013
24 Posts
June 09 2013 22:21 GMT
#6092
is blizz actually banning the confirmed hackers?
most of the accounts seem to be active even though they are confirmed hackers.
Shin_Gouki
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States313 Posts
June 09 2013 22:27 GMT
#6093
On June 10 2013 07:21 nAnO! wrote:
is blizz actually banning the confirmed hackers?
most of the accounts seem to be active even though they are confirmed hackers.


No, you gotta report a shit ton of times or make a lot of noise (Catz and incontrol talking about PhysicsLee for example).
Death comes in many forms
nAnO!
Profile Joined February 2013
24 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-09 22:34:17
June 09 2013 22:33 GMT
#6094
Server: EU
Name: fibonacci
League: Master
BNET: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2998609/1/fibonacci/

Replay: http://drop.sc/341189

Defends drops perfectly without any scouting and reacts with good army positioning to incoming drops.
Already reported and confirmed in this thread but still not banned. T_T
ShamW0W
Profile Joined March 2010
160 Posts
June 09 2013 23:02 GMT
#6095
On June 09 2013 11:27 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 02:40 Frozt2 wrote:
Hacker name :[iGAY]Kelly
Server :NA
League Top Master Protoss
Description I open dt's and he w/o scouting goes double observer with no inmortals and no expansion, and after that he just moves whenever i move and copies what im doing as in taking expansions
http://drop.sc/340989

yea I would totally disregard this post. KellY has played many games with my team and I have never seen anything suspicious, he is a well known BW player and I'd be extremely surprised if that was true.

Also pretty sure those 2 accounts are the same mad guy TT


Dunno. Watching the game, the guy who posted won, so I'm not sure about him being a 'mad guy'.

That said, watching the game while some of the things Kelly did seemed suspicious there wasn't enough for me to definitively say the guy was hacking. The build was strange, but maybe he's been burned by so many DT builds in the past that he defaults to 2 obs opening on 4-player maps in PvP?

tldr; Suspicious? Yes. Hacker? Not enough to say that.
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Jimmeh
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom908 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 02:17:32
June 10 2013 01:03 GMT
#6096
redacted.
askmc70
Profile Joined March 2012
United States722 Posts
June 10 2013 01:32 GMT
#6097
On June 10 2013 07:21 nAnO! wrote:
is blizz actually banning the confirmed hackers?
most of the accounts seem to be active even though they are confirmed hackers.

no they actually dont do shit, when was the last ban wave? can you remember? no ? neither do i
Twine
Profile Joined June 2012
France246 Posts
June 10 2013 02:03 GMT
#6098
On June 10 2013 10:03 Jimmeh wrote:
Name: Byleth
Server: EU
League: Masters
Replay: http://drop.sc/341208
Description: I go proxy 11/11, he doesn't scout anything (doesn't even know where I've spawned), yet pulls 9 workers to kill a scouting SCV and then blind builds 2 spines.

He spotted your 1st scouting SCV with his overlord, and saw a second one in his natural. I would have do the same ^^'



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Jimmeh
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom908 Posts
June 10 2013 02:17 GMT
#6099
On June 10 2013 11:03 Twine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 10:03 Jimmeh wrote:
Name: Byleth
Server: EU
League: Masters
Replay: http://drop.sc/341208
Description: I go proxy 11/11, he doesn't scout anything (doesn't even know where I've spawned), yet pulls 9 workers to kill a scouting SCV and then blind builds 2 spines.

He spotted your 1st scouting SCV with his overlord, and saw a second one in his natural. I would have do the same ^^'




Fair enough, I missed that. I'll edit out my post.
.kv
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2332 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 02:40:52
June 10 2013 02:31 GMT
#6100
On June 10 2013 05:11 Montisumo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 11:12 wUndertUnge wrote:
On June 09 2013 07:20 PanN wrote:
On June 09 2013 06:57 TheCreature wrote:
On June 09 2013 02:40 Frozt2 wrote:
Hacker name :[iGAY]Kelly
Server :NA
League Top Master Protoss
Description I open dt's and he w/o scouting goes double observer with no inmortals and no expansion, and after that he just moves whenever i move and copies what im doing as in taking expansions
http://drop.sc/340989


This guy is absolutely not a map hacker. His build is completely standard, he scouts with hallucinations constantly and Kelly even ends up losing. 1st post too? What are you doing?


Who cares if its his first post? He called out someone he thinks is a map hacker and provided his evidence, nothing wrong with that yo.


The post underneath is with only 2 posts, though, is kind of suspect. Multiple accounts? Same icon even.


not suspicious, i rarely post on TL. I watched the replay with Frozt and a GM friend who both agreed that this is strong evidence of a maphacker REGARDLESS of the reputation this individual upholds in your eyes. The evidence is out there... Follow the data not your pre and misconceptions.

Happy hunting



then all 3 of you are dumb as I just watched the replay LOL

2gate robo was the safest opener in pvp back in wol...it's normal to go 2 obs then immortal if you don't fast expand...that would be a different case if he did 1g expo into robo into 2 obs...that might be a bit fishy but his opener...100% normal and fine...plus it's on star station which is a very good blink map...well robo beats blink so that's a possibility of why he chose that tech before expanding

if he was a maphacker...why did he make 2 obs instead of just 1 and kept that back at his base to deflect the dts? oh I guess for a cover up right? okay...so why did he lose his obs carelessly at his opponent's base...if he was a maphacker he would know there was an observer there and would've put the observer in a safe spot...but I guess that's a cover up as well I mean he probably wants to cover up his maphack that much right? if he was a maphacker, he wouldn't even need to make a 3rd observer to spot for his army on the map to make sure it's safe to move around right? or is that a cover up too? why would he go for a blink timing against 4 IMMORTALS? When you, your "GM friend", and frozt watched this replay...did that question run through your head or were you just fixated on accusing him as a maphacker? are you talking about how he moved his army to his 4th to kill a pylon that he spotted and it just so happens that the army was moving there as well? or how about him trying to get a 5th...he wouldn't have done that if he was a maphacker since there were multiple dts there to deny it...on top of all this that I forgot to mention is that he probe scouted...why would a maphacker probe scout when he should be trying to maximize his income when he should already know what his opponent is doing? I guess that's also a cover up

what strong evidence is there that points him to maphacking honestly? did any of the questions I just posted came to mind when watching the replay or did you follow your preconception? some of you need to invest more time on studying before accusing people...

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