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On May 12 2012 08:43 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 08:31 IshinShishi wrote:
With 400 games just this season and with a win ratio equivalent of 80% NA or 70% EU, he is already beating the likes of Apoc for Christ's sake, get some perspective. inControl beat Apocalypse in a Team League. How's that for perspective? And I fail to see how the win ratio is supposed to be meaningful. Battle.net intentionally tries to get you to 50%. Going higher means that you've increased in skill/understanding after so many games, so the matchmaker has to play catch-up.
Are you saying that Professional SC2 player inControl is bad?
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Gateways are OP?
WTF???
Lets just remove gateways then, so terran can win every single game without trying.
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On May 12 2012 08:45 StormShield24 wrote:
Gateways are OP?
WTF???
Lets just remove gateways then, so terran can win every single game without trying.
Toss could still probably beat zerg lol. Just joking....
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On May 12 2012 07:36 INTOtheVOID wrote:
The Protoss whining in this thread is hilarious.
Yeah, instead of whining they should look at how parting and squirtle plays and how they really utilize the capabilities of protoss :D
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God has spoken. Protoss is overpowered. In fact, He says EVERYTHING about it is overpowered. We must appease him.
/sarcasm (if you think i'm being serious)
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On May 12 2012 08:36 Zurichan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 08:31 IshinShishi wrote:I wonder if Artosis is gonna try to interpret this in a different way, just call him a bronze scrub like he and Tasteless called the people saying that Toss is OP or simply ignore it all together , hehehe. On May 12 2012 08:31 WolfintheSheep wrote:
I have absolutely no problem with Flash making balance statements. My issue is with people acting as though his comments actually have weight to them.
He's a new player having a few troubles, and that's about it. With 400 games just this season and with a win ratio equivalent of 80% NA or 70% EU, he is already beating the likes of Apoc for Christ's sake, get some perspective. Tastosis does do that. its so funny. But hey, they are Protoss players what do you expect.
Yes and back when GSL had 1 Protoss in the last 16 (Killer btw) they commented on him failing and how there isn't any imbalance. I watched it, i remember it, so they don't seem to be biased to me.
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On May 12 2012 08:43 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 08:31 IshinShishi wrote:
With 400 games just this season and with a win ratio equivalent of 80% NA or 70% EU, he is already beating the likes of Apoc for Christ's sake, get some perspective. inControl beat Apocalypse in a Team League. How's that for perspective? And I fail to see how the win ratio is supposed to be meaningful. Battle.net intentionally tries to get you to 50%. Going higher means that you've increased in skill/understanding after so many games, so the matchmaker has to play catch-up.
How can you not see that win ratio is meaningful?Unless increasing in skill/understanding isn't meaningful to you, how does that make any sense?Blows my mind.
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I love flash, but he is completely lost in sc2, come on warpgate mechanichs and force fields are not op and no one can say it, it's how protoss works he just dont understand the game yet
I think that so many people told him that protoss is op and terran is the worst race
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The main man himself  Happy that he is being honest. Flash's opinion on an rts game deserves a lot of respect, he has played at pro level for many years and if he has issues with certain points of sc2 then his thoughts are worth listening to. Or even if he does not end up playing sc2 full time maybe blizzard could give him a job on the balance team, I'm sure Flash would not have warp gate tech in sc2 
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On May 12 2012 03:04 Za7oX wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 03:02 archonOOid wrote:
Flash is fueling the UP terran fire while MVP is hosing water. When GSL had only Terrans MVP said Terran was the worst race.
Actually what he said was that the maps weren't very good for Terran.
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On May 12 2012 08:15 JOJOsc2news wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 08:12 Sapphire.lux wrote:On May 12 2012 07:58 kamikami wrote:
If Protoss is OP then choose Protoss Flash. How can you complain about balance while you spent your entire BW career playing the strongest race in that game ? He didn't play Protoss in BW. Apart from the "Protoss op" i think is important to note that he did not talk about units, or unit stats, but more about design problems. The same design problems like warp in, FF, colosuss (encouraging death balls), etc have been evident and criticized since BETA. They are bad and need to go, just wish Blizzard would admit they fucked up in designing Protoss and do something about it instead of making things like the replicant, carrier MK2, etc. You are kidding right? This game would not be competitive if it was as broken as you make it out to be.
Interesting interview. Flash playing SC2 is beyond epic.
lol? I think a lot of people would argue how "competitive" SC2 is compared to many other games.
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flash .......my heart is racing
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On May 12 2012 08:53 forsooth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 03:04 Za7oX wrote:On May 12 2012 03:02 archonOOid wrote:
Flash is fueling the UP terran fire while MVP is hosing water. When GSL had only Terrans MVP said Terran was the worst race. Actually what he said was that the maps weren't very good for Terran.
Pros never say they race is too good.
Well, beside Stephano and stuff. Polt did say terran was OP during the GomTvT period too. ( every other terran was like " No it's okay " )
But when I think about that, it make me remember than less a month ago, every good zerg agreed zerg was the best race. Funny how things can change in people's mind only because zerg got eliminated early this season.
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On May 12 2012 03:41 Chaggi wrote:
It's funny cause you won't find any Terran pro that says TvP is balanced.
because it's not..
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On May 12 2012 08:57 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 08:15 JOJOsc2news wrote:On May 12 2012 08:12 Sapphire.lux wrote:On May 12 2012 07:58 kamikami wrote:
If Protoss is OP then choose Protoss Flash. How can you complain about balance while you spent your entire BW career playing the strongest race in that game ? He didn't play Protoss in BW. Apart from the "Protoss op" i think is important to note that he did not talk about units, or unit stats, but more about design problems. The same design problems like warp in, FF, colosuss (encouraging death balls), etc have been evident and criticized since BETA. They are bad and need to go, just wish Blizzard would admit they fucked up in designing Protoss and do something about it instead of making things like the replicant, carrier MK2, etc. You are kidding right? This game would not be competitive if it was as broken as you make it out to be.
Interesting interview. Flash playing SC2 is beyond epic. lol? I think a lot of people would argue how "competitive" SC2 is compared to many other games.
Is this a thinly veiled "Terran UP" QQ post like most of your others?
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On May 12 2012 08:21 jj33 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 08:10 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 12 2012 07:59 jj33 wrote:On May 12 2012 07:51 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 12 2012 07:39 takingbackoj wrote:On May 12 2012 07:32 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 12 2012 07:07 takingbackoj wrote:On May 12 2012 07:03 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 12 2012 06:59 SoniC_eu wrote:On May 12 2012 06:55 Youtakenocandle wrote:
I never followed sc1 and don't know much about Flash, but balance whining as a supposed sc1 legend is pretty lame. Flash was sharing his current opnion (which could change in the future mind you). He understands RTS games like no one else, so I find your comment rather interesting. Wrong. He understands SC:BW like no one else. I'd bet you everything I had that he knows jack-all about C&C, Age of Empires, or even WC3. To say he understands BW, so he automatically knows more than Code S players is complete bull. Artosis has admitted on SotG that some code S players have no understanding of the game at all. And also I don't see any quote mentioning he thought Flash knew more than any code S player. He said Flash "understands RTS games like no one else". There's one, and only one, game that Flash can claim to have the highest knowledge of, and it certainly isn't SC2. RTS isn't a game, it's a genre. Your argument is like saying Alfred Hitchcok didn't have the best understanding of psychological thrillers during his time because he didn't direct them all. So now you're trying to pretend that Flash understands the entire RTS genre? the fact you're asking that question in that manner shows you don't undestand what strategy really is. Strategy is strategy. It is not exclusive to a particular rts game. you can apply the same principles of strategy to any strategical game or warfare simulation etc. Better hire Gary Kasparov to balance SC2 then. Strategy is strategy, after all. strawman argument. that's not what i mean at all. but ok =] all I said was concepts of strategy are not exclusive to any game or platform.
Don't let these people know that pretty much every current SC2 pro was either a BW or WC3 pro. Their head's might explode.
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I really lol'd about the slap in the face to protosses and zergs, but i doubt it's legitimate cause he still has a good chance to switch race without giving up on anything.
If he cared so much about terran, he should prove that P or Z are overpowered, getting them nerfed and then switch back hehe.
Anway, i hope to see him kick ass soon no matter what he plays.
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On May 12 2012 08:59 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 08:57 SupLilSon wrote:On May 12 2012 08:15 JOJOsc2news wrote:On May 12 2012 08:12 Sapphire.lux wrote:On May 12 2012 07:58 kamikami wrote:
If Protoss is OP then choose Protoss Flash. How can you complain about balance while you spent your entire BW career playing the strongest race in that game ? He didn't play Protoss in BW. Apart from the "Protoss op" i think is important to note that he did not talk about units, or unit stats, but more about design problems. The same design problems like warp in, FF, colosuss (encouraging death balls), etc have been evident and criticized since BETA. They are bad and need to go, just wish Blizzard would admit they fucked up in designing Protoss and do something about it instead of making things like the replicant, carrier MK2, etc. You are kidding right? This game would not be competitive if it was as broken as you make it out to be.
Interesting interview. Flash playing SC2 is beyond epic. lol? I think a lot of people would argue how "competitive" SC2 is compared to many other games. Is this a thinly veiled "Terran UP" QQ post like most of your others?
Are you really this butthurt that Flash called your race OP? No. It had nothing to do with balance. I already said I'm done with balance whine. I'm surprised you didn't know that since you seem to stalk my post history (kinda scary TBH, do I need to worry?). SC2 is much less competitive than BW, for example.
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On May 12 2012 08:59 dacimvrl wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 03:41 Chaggi wrote:
It's funny cause you won't find any Terran pro that says TvP is balanced. because it's not..
Not a single is gonna say it's imbalanced.
It's just very hard if you don't do enough damage with the first medivacs. ( In case of a normal 1rax expo into 3 rax medivac )
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The friend in Canada he is referring to is me.
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