• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 08:02
CET 14:02
KST 22:02
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10
Community News
RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket12Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge1[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation14Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA12
StarCraft 2
General
RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t GM / Master map hacker and general hacking and cheating thread
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 3 $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest 2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened
Brood War
General
Data analysis on 70 million replays [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions soO on: FanTaSy's Potential Return to StarCraft FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] GosuLeague T1 Ro16 - Tue & Thu 22:00 CET [BSL21] RO16 Tie Breaker - Group B - Sun 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO16 Tie Breaker - Group A - Sat 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta Game Theory for Starcraft How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread [Game] Osu! Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Clair Obscur - Expedition 33
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine About SC2SEA.COM
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Health Impact of Joining…
TrAiDoS
Dyadica Evangelium — Chapt…
Hildegard
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1831 users

Interview with Flash about SC2 - Page 36

Forum Index > SC2 General
1275 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 34 35 36 37 38 64 Next
takingbackoj
Profile Joined December 2010
United States684 Posts
May 11 2012 23:45 GMT
#701
On May 12 2012 08:43 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 08:31 IshinShishi wrote:
With 400 games just this season and with a win ratio equivalent of 80% NA or 70% EU, he is already beating the likes of Apoc for Christ's sake, get some perspective.

inControl beat Apocalypse in a Team League. How's that for perspective?

And I fail to see how the win ratio is supposed to be meaningful. Battle.net intentionally tries to get you to 50%. Going higher means that you've increased in skill/understanding after so many games, so the matchmaker has to play catch-up.

Are you saying that Professional SC2 player inControl is bad?
Get the hell outta here Der Beek, your'e ruining my moment.
StormShield24
Profile Joined March 2011
United States32 Posts
May 11 2012 23:45 GMT
#702
Gateways are OP?
WTF???

Lets just remove gateways then, so terran can win every single game without trying.
"You just got slaughtered by a guy who's talking like Dr. Seuss. Its cool, it happens." -Day[9]
takingbackoj
Profile Joined December 2010
United States684 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 23:47:30
May 11 2012 23:47 GMT
#703
On May 12 2012 08:45 StormShield24 wrote:
Gateways are OP?
WTF???

Lets just remove gateways then, so terran can win every single game without trying.

Toss could still probably beat zerg lol. Just joking....
Get the hell outta here Der Beek, your'e ruining my moment.
Ace1123
Profile Joined September 2011
Philippines1187 Posts
May 11 2012 23:47 GMT
#704
On May 12 2012 07:36 INTOtheVOID wrote:
The Protoss whining in this thread is hilarious.



Yeah, instead of whining they should look at how parting and squirtle plays and how they really utilize the capabilities of protoss :D
ForGG, Mvp, MMA, MarineKing, BoxeR,
TUski
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1258 Posts
May 11 2012 23:50 GMT
#705
God has spoken. Protoss is overpowered. In fact, He says EVERYTHING about it is overpowered. We must appease him.

/sarcasm (if you think i'm being serious)
"There is nothing more cool than being proud of the things that you love." - Day[9]
Rainfall7711
Profile Joined December 2011
329 Posts
May 11 2012 23:51 GMT
#706
On May 12 2012 08:36 Zurichan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 08:31 IshinShishi wrote:
I wonder if Artosis is gonna try to interpret this in a different way, just call him a bronze scrub like he and Tasteless called the people saying that Toss is OP or simply ignore it all together , hehehe.


On May 12 2012 08:31 WolfintheSheep wrote:

I have absolutely no problem with Flash making balance statements. My issue is with people acting as though his comments actually have weight to them.

He's a new player having a few troubles, and that's about it.


With 400 games just this season and with a win ratio equivalent of 80% NA or 70% EU, he is already beating the likes of Apoc for Christ's sake, get some perspective.


Tastosis does do that. its so funny. But hey, they are Protoss players what do you expect.


Yes and back when GSL had 1 Protoss in the last 16 (Killer btw) they commented on him failing and how there isn't any imbalance. I watched it, i remember it, so they don't seem to be biased to me.
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
May 11 2012 23:51 GMT
#707
On May 12 2012 08:43 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 08:31 IshinShishi wrote:
With 400 games just this season and with a win ratio equivalent of 80% NA or 70% EU, he is already beating the likes of Apoc for Christ's sake, get some perspective.

inControl beat Apocalypse in a Team League. How's that for perspective?

And I fail to see how the win ratio is supposed to be meaningful. Battle.net intentionally tries to get you to 50%. Going higher means that you've increased in skill/understanding after so many games, so the matchmaker has to play catch-up.

How can you not see that win ratio is meaningful?Unless increasing in skill/understanding isn't meaningful to you, how does that make any sense?Blows my mind.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
Berceno
Profile Joined May 2012
Spain401 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 23:53:02
May 11 2012 23:52 GMT
#708
I love flash, but he is completely lost in sc2, come on warpgate mechanichs and force fields are not op and no one can say it, it's how protoss works he just dont understand the game yet

I think that so many people told him that protoss is op and terran is the worst race
protoss living in da ghetto
Swift118
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom335 Posts
May 11 2012 23:53 GMT
#709
The main man himself Happy that he is being honest. Flash's opinion on an rts game deserves a lot of respect, he has played at pro level for many years and if he has issues with certain points of sc2 then his thoughts are worth listening to. Or even if he does not end up playing sc2 full time maybe blizzard could give him a job on the balance team, I'm sure Flash would not have warp gate tech in sc2
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
May 11 2012 23:53 GMT
#710
On May 12 2012 03:04 Za7oX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 03:02 archonOOid wrote:
Flash is fueling the UP terran fire while MVP is hosing water.

When GSL had only Terrans MVP said Terran was the worst race.

Actually what he said was that the maps weren't very good for Terran.
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
May 11 2012 23:57 GMT
#711
On May 12 2012 08:15 JOJOsc2news wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 08:12 Sapphire.lux wrote:
On May 12 2012 07:58 kamikami wrote:
If Protoss is OP then choose Protoss Flash. How can you complain about balance while you spent your entire BW career playing the strongest race in that game ?

He didn't play Protoss in BW.


Apart from the "Protoss op" i think is important to note that he did not talk about units, or unit stats, but more about design problems. The same design problems like warp in, FF, colosuss (encouraging death balls), etc have been evident and criticized since BETA. They are bad and need to go, just wish Blizzard would admit they fucked up in designing Protoss and do something about it instead of making things like the replicant, carrier MK2, etc.


You are kidding right? This game would not be competitive if it was as broken as you make it out to be.



Interesting interview. Flash playing SC2 is beyond epic.


lol? I think a lot of people would argue how "competitive" SC2 is compared to many other games.
hookyelyak
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Egypt184 Posts
May 11 2012 23:58 GMT
#712
flash .......my heart is racing
life.parting.mkp.hero.rain.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
May 11 2012 23:58 GMT
#713
On May 12 2012 08:53 forsooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 03:04 Za7oX wrote:
On May 12 2012 03:02 archonOOid wrote:
Flash is fueling the UP terran fire while MVP is hosing water.

When GSL had only Terrans MVP said Terran was the worst race.

Actually what he said was that the maps weren't very good for Terran.


Pros never say they race is too good.
Well, beside Stephano and stuff. Polt did say terran was OP during the GomTvT period too. ( every other terran was like " No it's okay " )

But when I think about that, it make me remember than less a month ago, every good zerg agreed zerg was the best race. Funny how things can change in people's mind only because zerg got eliminated early this season.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
dacimvrl
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State582 Posts
May 11 2012 23:59 GMT
#714
On May 12 2012 03:41 Chaggi wrote:
It's funny cause you won't find any Terran pro that says TvP is balanced.


because it's not..
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
May 11 2012 23:59 GMT
#715
On May 12 2012 08:57 SupLilSon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 08:15 JOJOsc2news wrote:
On May 12 2012 08:12 Sapphire.lux wrote:
On May 12 2012 07:58 kamikami wrote:
If Protoss is OP then choose Protoss Flash. How can you complain about balance while you spent your entire BW career playing the strongest race in that game ?

He didn't play Protoss in BW.


Apart from the "Protoss op" i think is important to note that he did not talk about units, or unit stats, but more about design problems. The same design problems like warp in, FF, colosuss (encouraging death balls), etc have been evident and criticized since BETA. They are bad and need to go, just wish Blizzard would admit they fucked up in designing Protoss and do something about it instead of making things like the replicant, carrier MK2, etc.


You are kidding right? This game would not be competitive if it was as broken as you make it out to be.



Interesting interview. Flash playing SC2 is beyond epic.


lol? I think a lot of people would argue how "competitive" SC2 is compared to many other games.

Is this a thinly veiled "Terran UP" QQ post like most of your others?
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
May 12 2012 00:00 GMT
#716
On May 12 2012 08:21 jj33 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 08:10 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On May 12 2012 07:59 jj33 wrote:
On May 12 2012 07:51 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On May 12 2012 07:39 takingbackoj wrote:
On May 12 2012 07:32 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On May 12 2012 07:07 takingbackoj wrote:
On May 12 2012 07:03 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On May 12 2012 06:59 SoniC_eu wrote:
On May 12 2012 06:55 Youtakenocandle wrote:
I never followed sc1 and don't know much about Flash, but balance whining as a supposed sc1 legend is pretty lame.

Flash was sharing his current opnion (which could change in the future mind you). He understands RTS games like no one else, so I find your comment rather interesting.


Wrong. He understands SC:BW like no one else. I'd bet you everything I had that he knows jack-all about C&C, Age of Empires, or even WC3.

To say he understands BW, so he automatically knows more than Code S players is complete bull.

Artosis has admitted on SotG that some code S players have no understanding of the game at all. And also I don't see any quote mentioning he thought Flash knew more than any code S player.

He said Flash "understands RTS games like no one else". There's one, and only one, game that Flash can claim to have the highest knowledge of, and it certainly isn't SC2.

RTS isn't a game, it's a genre. Your argument is like saying Alfred Hitchcok didn't have the best understanding of psychological thrillers during his time because he didn't direct them all.

So now you're trying to pretend that Flash understands the entire RTS genre?



the fact you're asking that question in that manner shows you don't undestand what strategy really is.

Strategy is strategy. It is not exclusive to a particular rts game. you can apply the same principles of strategy to any strategical game or warfare simulation etc.


Better hire Gary Kasparov to balance SC2 then. Strategy is strategy, after all.



strawman argument.

that's not what i mean at all. but ok =]

all I said was concepts of strategy are not exclusive to any game or platform.


Don't let these people know that pretty much every current SC2 pro was either a BW or WC3 pro. Their head's might explode.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
May 12 2012 00:01 GMT
#717
I really lol'd about the slap in the face to protosses and zergs, but i doubt it's legitimate cause he still has a good chance to switch race without giving up on anything.

If he cared so much about terran, he should prove that P or Z are overpowered, getting them nerfed and then switch back hehe.

Anway, i hope to see him kick ass soon no matter what he plays.
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
May 12 2012 00:02 GMT
#718
On May 12 2012 08:59 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 08:57 SupLilSon wrote:
On May 12 2012 08:15 JOJOsc2news wrote:
On May 12 2012 08:12 Sapphire.lux wrote:
On May 12 2012 07:58 kamikami wrote:
If Protoss is OP then choose Protoss Flash. How can you complain about balance while you spent your entire BW career playing the strongest race in that game ?

He didn't play Protoss in BW.


Apart from the "Protoss op" i think is important to note that he did not talk about units, or unit stats, but more about design problems. The same design problems like warp in, FF, colosuss (encouraging death balls), etc have been evident and criticized since BETA. They are bad and need to go, just wish Blizzard would admit they fucked up in designing Protoss and do something about it instead of making things like the replicant, carrier MK2, etc.


You are kidding right? This game would not be competitive if it was as broken as you make it out to be.



Interesting interview. Flash playing SC2 is beyond epic.


lol? I think a lot of people would argue how "competitive" SC2 is compared to many other games.

Is this a thinly veiled "Terran UP" QQ post like most of your others?


Are you really this butthurt that Flash called your race OP? No. It had nothing to do with balance. I already said I'm done with balance whine. I'm surprised you didn't know that since you seem to stalk my post history (kinda scary TBH, do I need to worry?). SC2 is much less competitive than BW, for example.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
May 12 2012 00:05 GMT
#719
On May 12 2012 08:59 dacimvrl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 03:41 Chaggi wrote:
It's funny cause you won't find any Terran pro that says TvP is balanced.


because it's not..


Not a single is gonna say it's imbalanced.
It's just very hard if you don't do enough damage with the first medivacs. ( In case of a normal 1rax expo into 3 rax medivac )
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
thesauceishot
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada333 Posts
May 12 2012 00:06 GMT
#720
The friend in Canada he is referring to is me.
Prev 1 34 35 36 37 38 64 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 9h 58m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko289
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 49326
Rain 3263
BeSt 1114
Mini 678
Stork 611
firebathero 474
Light 464
EffOrt 461
actioN 415
Larva 268
[ Show more ]
ZerO 216
hero 164
Leta 139
Rush 131
ajuk12(nOOB) 83
Sharp 82
Mind 66
ToSsGirL 46
Sea.KH 43
zelot 43
Backho 31
Hm[arnc] 29
JulyZerg 21
Pusan 20
scan(afreeca) 17
HiyA 12
Noble 10
Bale 9
Terrorterran 1
Dota 2
Gorgc2313
singsing1723
Dendi453
XcaliburYe103
League of Legends
KnowMe46
Counter-Strike
olofmeister2239
zeus1020
shoxiejesuss608
Other Games
B2W.Neo1430
crisheroes408
Fuzer 285
ArmadaUGS166
QueenE43
Trikslyr32
Dewaltoss19
ZerO(Twitch)10
hiko0
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream19681
StarCraft 2
ComeBackTV 576
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 65
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1592
• TFBlade377
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
9h 58m
RSL Revival
18h 28m
Classic vs MaxPax
SHIN vs Reynor
herO vs Maru
WardiTV Korean Royale
22h 58m
SC Evo League
23h 28m
IPSL
1d 3h
Julia vs Artosis
JDConan vs DragOn
OSC
1d 3h
BSL 21
1d 6h
TerrOr vs Aeternum
HBO vs Kyrie
RSL Revival
1d 18h
Wardi Open
2 days
IPSL
2 days
StRyKeR vs OldBoy
Sziky vs Tarson
[ Show More ]
BSL 21
2 days
StRyKeR vs Artosis
OyAji vs KameZerg
Replay Cast
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-16
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
SLON Tour Season 2
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.