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Surgical_Strike
Profile Joined April 2012
United States72 Posts
May 12 2012 00:07 GMT
#721
I love how the pathetic protoss are trying to say they know better than flash... he has been playing sc2 plenty enough to make judgements on balance... actually our opinions when we learn something are often far more accurate than after we have seen/played games for years. Warpgates really are too cheap, they nearly half the price of terran barracks, build in almost half the time, and can make units anywhere on the map.. Why do you think partings mass gateway style is so damn strong??? He has a point there. I think anyone who is not a toss fanboy zealot can agree that when toss gets enough gas heavy units in their composition it does not matter how big of a lead or how much damage the terran DID, terran is going to die. Yes terran strong in midgame, and yes MVP is doing good in the midgame, but that has alot to do with how greedy protoss are being with their tech. The other thing he mentioned is too strong is FF.... and they are.. especially with the 1 FF ramps and tight chokes on some maps. I could link you plenty of games where a toss FF the opponent zerg or terran ramp and its GG, but if you watch enough sc2 to even be talking about balance you will have seen this scenario enough times to know it overcomes skill and adds luck to the game that should not be in an esport that is played for huge prize pools.
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FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4516 Posts
May 12 2012 00:09 GMT
#722
On May 12 2012 08:45 StormShield24 wrote:
Gateways are OP?
WTF???

Lets just remove gateways then, so terran can win every single game without trying.

I'm toss. Calm down bro. He's new to the game and he's a Masters player. Yes you are going to hear people complain, it's natural.
hi. big fan.
ShaneFeit
Profile Joined August 2011
92 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-12 00:18:17
May 12 2012 00:17 GMT
#723
SC2 has always been imbalanced since the beta, but the problem with the TvP today is not that its imbalanced, its how its imbalanced.

Flash mentioned it now, so has Demuslim on his steeam, Beastyqt did, MMA, MVP basically all top tier terrans have commented on this. It is because the game reaches a certain stage in the late game where as a terran you just feel energy sucked out of you because of how strong the Protoss is.

This imbalance makes the game a lot less fun to play. Not all imbalances are are bad as the current TvP state and it feels unfair! Thats why everyone is complaining!
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
May 12 2012 00:24 GMT
#724
On May 12 2012 06:58 JimmiC wrote:
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I heard Bisu will go Terran.

WELCOME TO HELL :D


The hell of winning more tournies then any other race. Even in 2012 after all the "unfair" nerfs

Dream Hack won by Terran
MLG spring arena won by Zerg
Ironsquid won by Terran
MLG winter 2012 won by Terran
IPL 4 won by Terran
IEM Season VI Protoss
GSL season 1 Terran
Assembly 2012 Terran
IEM Sao Paulo Zerg
IEM Kiev Terran
Homestory IV Protoss
AOL King Of Kongs Zerg


Winning tournaments is all about race balance /facepalm
Stork[gm]
cozzE
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia357 Posts
May 12 2012 00:25 GMT
#725
love the comments about protoss/zerg ahah. Sick i'view.
Zealot Lord
Profile Joined May 2010
Hong Kong747 Posts
May 12 2012 00:32 GMT
#726
"Before the first season of Pro League started last year I got to Master league in 4 to 5 days. It was strangely easy back then." See, that's the thing I honestly feel about - it was easy for terrans to dominate before, particularly against protoss (almost entire year of 2011 had absurd TvP winrates, which is a fact) that they relatively never really had to work for the wins; as a result TvP development lagged behind simply because there was no need to try new things. And now that metagame balance has shifted, seeing terrans struggle in this matchup was to be expected imo.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying TvP lategame isn't broken or whatnot, perhaps there is indeed an imbalance, but a couple of months is too short of a time to tell. I understand its easy to feel that a race you are accustomed to dominating feels op when you suddenly have to try that much harder to win - but at the same time, now that terrans need to put an honest effort to beat protoss, one cannot rule out of breakthrough innovations (that's how BW metagame balance shifted even when there were no patches). Which is imo exactly why Blizzard has stated they recognized that there could potentially be issues to address but haven't made any changes yet, as they probably want to monitor it for a while longer.
][Primarch][
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden302 Posts
May 12 2012 00:35 GMT
#727
On May 12 2012 07:30 Macheji wrote:
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What the fucking fuck?!? 5 days, rank 11? Rank 11 Masters in Korea is like... top 5 GM in Europe and 1v2 GMs in NA, no?!]

@Xpace... No, rank 11 master in K is not top 5 Gm rank in Europe. Nightend ( protoss ) the romanian protoss that is a top 50 GM got to Korea and got into GM in less then 2 weeks. Deathangel ( zerg ), another romanian, got into K Gm in almost the same ammount of time . Also Deathangel had a forum blog post in wich he said that about 2 weeks after he got in the pro-house he was beating most of the K masters there.



Congratz on posting the worst comment I've seen on TL :D LoL

Nightend and Deathangel and herpdy derpdy......wtf is this?

User was warned for this post
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Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3822 Posts
May 12 2012 00:41 GMT
#728
Oh for god's sake...

He just had to blurt out his frustrations with protoss in the new game, didn't he?
ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
May 12 2012 00:46 GMT
#729
Wow Flash complaining about protoss in Sc2. Losing a lot of respect.
"The White Woman Speaks in Tongues That Are All Lies" - Incontrol; Member #37 of the Chill Fanclub
sertas
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden889 Posts
May 12 2012 00:47 GMT
#730
Agree with flash and im a zerg player. PvT lategame is not balanced.
petro1987
Profile Joined May 2009
Brazil374 Posts
May 12 2012 00:47 GMT
#731
On May 12 2012 09:46 ComusLoM wrote:
Wow Flash complaining about protoss in Sc2. Losing a lot of respect.


I wonder how he will manage to sleep tonight... I mean how will he ever live without your respect?
Panthae
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada205 Posts
May 12 2012 00:54 GMT
#732
''I'm a complete noob, I hit top masters after 4 or 5 days... '' o.O
For Aïur?
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
May 12 2012 00:56 GMT
#733
flash's word is law, Protoss is op!
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Esk23
Profile Joined July 2011
United States447 Posts
May 12 2012 00:56 GMT
#734
What Flash said isn't shocking, most of us know Protoss is OP, especially for the skill required it's ez.
kvmetternich
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy35 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-12 00:57:38
May 12 2012 00:57 GMT
#735
On May 12 2012 09:07 Surgical_Strike wrote:
I love how the pathetic protoss are trying to say they know better than flash...


Flash words :"Im a noob" ; " I'm currently going all-in on SC2 because it's my first time playing. "

I can image the scene. Flash go for 3 rax allin or 111 or a shit similar and a random opponent in the ladder own "the king of bw" cause he has more experience than him and know how to hold this kind of playstyle.

Every players in masters (the current league of flash) can hold an all in if scouted properly.

The fact that Flash was the one of the greatest Bw players doesn't mean that is a SC2 guru at the moment

Yeah, im a pathetic protoss.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 12 2012 00:57 GMT
#736
Are there any tournaments you want to compete in specifically?
I don't know what tournaments there are yet. However I want to go to Canada sometime. My friend lives in Canada so I've heard a lot about it, and I've always wanted to go.


Someone make a huge tournament in Vancouver please, I need to meet God.
Koesader
Profile Joined April 2012
Netherlands424 Posts
May 12 2012 00:57 GMT
#737
I'd like a protoss nerf as well =/
But Flash, don't switch from terran, I beg you!
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danson
Profile Joined April 2010
United States689 Posts
May 12 2012 00:58 GMT
#738
this was one of the single most satisfying player interviews Ive ever read. I never really cheered for flash when i seldom watched bw, but I want to cheer for him now (for his sc2 games at least). I also want the same type of in-depth interviews for other players though, so I can be a fan for more players
Ace1123
Profile Joined September 2011
Philippines1187 Posts
May 12 2012 00:59 GMT
#739
On May 12 2012 09:09 FataLe wrote:
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On May 12 2012 08:45 StormShield24 wrote:
Gateways are OP?
WTF???

Lets just remove gateways then, so terran can win every single game without trying.

I'm toss. Calm down bro. He's new to the game and he's a Masters player. Yes you are going to hear people complain, it's natural.


He's a masters player in KR remember that. And by the skills of Flash, I believe that he does not spot nonsense and I think it is Probably Warpgate and he just forgotten the term for it. He mentioned that Warpagates are really strong some time ago
ForGG, Mvp, MMA, MarineKing, BoxeR,
gengka
Profile Joined September 2010
Malaysia461 Posts
May 12 2012 01:00 GMT
#740
On May 12 2012 02:46 VirgilSC2 wrote:
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On May 12 2012 02:43 Valikyr wrote:
On May 12 2012 02:36 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On May 12 2012 02:30 Valikyr wrote:
Why do u like bio Flash, whyyyyy?

Probably because he's realized that Terran Bio is one of the best scaling unit compositions when it comes to speed and control.

It's much easier for him to learn the mechanics and get fast with bio than it is for him to develop the same starsense he had in Brood War and be able to make the crucial decisions that playing mech forces in some situations.

Yeah I wasn't serious but I'm still waiting for the day when someone figures out how to play mech TvP properly and the crying about how t1 units have a hard time against a protoss t3 army stops.

It's really almost impossible because the Immortal hardcounters any sort of mech based play.


correct u will need to mix in marines to counter immortal and therefore it wont be pure mech anymore. actually banshee can be a counter to immortal too and its mech, but they are just too slow and fragile
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