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Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
May 11 2012 23:23 GMT
#681
Flash almost at GM mmr already on Korea
Yhamm is the god of predictions
SoniC_eu
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark1008 Posts
May 11 2012 23:25 GMT
#682
Well guys it's time to sleep It's been fun discussing with you. Can't wait to see waht Flash will bring to the table!! Exciting times for sc2, so much happening!
^_^ nn
In order to succeed, your desire for success should be greater than your fear of failure. http://da.twitch.tv/sonic_eu
][Primarch][
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden302 Posts
May 11 2012 23:29 GMT
#683
On May 12 2012 07:14 takingbackoj wrote:
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On May 12 2012 07:12 Zealot Orgy wrote:
So, a trash random master player (that's what he is in SC2, might you be biased or not) says protoss is OP:

Is welcomed with "AH! I TOLD YOU!" circlejerk just because it's Flash.

Hilarious

Trash? What does that make pretty much any player on the NA and EU servers then? By the way, where do I find his stream at? Im assuming you know since you are privy to his skill level. Or maybe your his practice partner. Are you Flash's practice partner?


I know him, he is low plat toss on NA. He hates anything Terran cause he fails with his 4 gates....
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joquinn
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada14 Posts
May 11 2012 23:29 GMT
#684
I loved the part where he was talking about all the things that were OP. I can see him playing his first game against protoss "Oh god, WHY? Why can you do that? You couldn't do any of this stuff in BW! Why can you make a wall any time you want? Why can your dragoons teleport? Why did zealots just come out of that umbrella?"

Though I am sure BW protoss players are asking "Why are marines good? What is there rocket that keeps landing on their minerals? Who is that large man with the marines that shoots rockets? OH GOD! WHY IS HE SO FAST? WHY IS THE DROPSHIP HEALING HIM?"


Lololol all of this made me laugh ty, but yeah I could imagine some of these things being pretty shocking and random to these BW pro's.
Terran Fighting!
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
May 11 2012 23:31 GMT
#685
On May 12 2012 08:23 SoniC_eu wrote:
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On May 12 2012 08:16 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On May 12 2012 08:12 takingbackoj wrote:
On May 12 2012 08:09 rEalGuapo wrote:
On May 12 2012 08:08 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On May 12 2012 07:58 takingbackoj wrote:
On May 12 2012 07:55 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On May 12 2012 07:54 SoniC_eu wrote:
On May 12 2012 07:42 rEalGuapo wrote:
On May 12 2012 07:39 takingbackoj wrote:
[quote]
RTS isn't a game, it's a genre. Your argument is like saying Alfred Hitchcok didn't have the best understanding of psychological thrillers during his time because he didn't direct them all.


No that is like saying Alfred Hitchcok did not have the best understand of FILMS during his time because he only focused on one specific branche.

Genre does not always equal genre.


That doesnt make sense...one more time plz

So if Flash isn't ur nominee for best RTS player, who the hell is?

Grubby or Moon could stomp him to death in WC3.

Agreed, but I would be willing to bet he could pick WC3 up and compete at a high level much faster than you could.

Because apparently being better than me at RTS games qualifies him to be the best in the world...?

Flash would get completely stomped by every top player in every single RTS game that isn't Broodwar, yet his opinion is somehow still valid about every single one of them?


Don't bother, some people simply are not capable of logical thought processes.

Why do you guys keep bringing up Flash as the best in the world? Other than when you have mentioned it no one else has? Stop adding words to other peoples post. Only you two have said anything about flash being the best at all RTS games. Honestly, go back and look, no one else has mentioned that.

That's because you suck at reading comprehension.

Everyone and their grandma is pretending that Flash is qualified to make meaningful balance statements because he 'understands RTS game better than everyone else'.

He can comment all he wants, but there's no reason his opinion should be taken over any of the other Masters players in the balance whine thread.


I can think of several reaons why he will be taken seriously (if he wants to). One of them being, he is better than the Masters players on the TL thread. There Or maybe you would prefer to put a sack over your head and not look at Flash's comments, because they somehow don't sit well with you (for reasons other than you state). Flash is simply stating obsverations being "new" to sc2, kinda like a baby seeing the world for the first time. Sometimes being fresh can bring more astute observations than having grinded the game for 1½ yrs and simply winning by following certain metagame trends. Sometimes being new means ur opinions will change after some time... So I am repeating myself again, and saying let's see what the future holds for his opinion.

I have absolutely no problem with Flash making balance statements. My issue is with people acting as though his comments actually have weight to them.

He's a new player having a few troubles, and that's about it.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 23:34:44
May 11 2012 23:31 GMT
#686
I wonder if Artosis is gonna try to interpret this in a different way, just call him a bronze scrub like he and Tasteless called the people saying that Toss is OP or simply ignore it all together , hehehe.


On May 12 2012 08:31 WolfintheSheep wrote:

I have absolutely no problem with Flash making balance statements. My issue is with people acting as though his comments actually have weight to them.

He's a new player having a few troubles, and that's about it.


With 400 games just this season and with a win ratio equivalent of 80% NA or 70% EU, he is already beating the likes of Apoc for Christ's sake, get some perspective.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
May 11 2012 23:34 GMT
#687
On May 12 2012 07:30 Macheji wrote:
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What the fucking fuck?!? 5 days, rank 11? Rank 11 Masters in Korea is like... top 5 GM in Europe and 1v2 GMs in NA, no?!]

@Xpace... No, rank 11 master in K is not top 5 Gm rank in Europe. Nightend ( protoss ) the romanian protoss that is a top 50 GM got to Korea and got into GM in less then 2 weeks. Deathangel ( zerg ), another romanian, got into K Gm in almost the same ammount of time . Also Deathangel had a forum blog post in wich he said that about 2 weeks after he got in the pro-house he was beating most of the K masters there.


Let him live in his little bubble, it's better that way :D
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 23:36:59
May 11 2012 23:35 GMT
#688
i had my own theories about protoss but now its clearly true, fact, religion

terran buff would maybe be disgusting but it would be worth it just to see him stick with terran lol, you cant disagree

artosis got so owned haha


On May 12 2012 06:43 Andr3 wrote:
So protoss is imba because Flash says so. The amount of championships taken by the so called imba toss and the statistics support his claim.

...

Just because he's Flash doesn't mean he's right, it's SC2 after all not BW.

you have alot to learn my friend
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
May 11 2012 23:35 GMT
#689
oh flash, terran isnt op XD

BUT SRSLY THEY ARENT *eye twitches*
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
May 11 2012 23:35 GMT
#690
On May 12 2012 08:15 JOJOsc2news wrote:
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On May 12 2012 08:12 Sapphire.lux wrote:
On May 12 2012 07:58 kamikami wrote:
If Protoss is OP then choose Protoss Flash. How can you complain about balance while you spent your entire BW career playing the strongest race in that game ?

He didn't play Protoss in BW.


Apart from the "Protoss op" i think is important to note that he did not talk about units, or unit stats, but more about design problems. The same design problems like warp in, FF, colosuss (encouraging death balls), etc have been evident and criticized since BETA. They are bad and need to go, just wish Blizzard would admit they fucked up in designing Protoss and do something about it instead of making things like the replicant, carrier MK2, etc.


You are kidding right? This game would not be competitive if it was as broken as you make it out to be.



Interesting interview. Flash playing SC2 is beyond epic.

It's not broken as far as balance is concered, not in the sence that all races have a fair chance of wining. It, IMO, has some design problems that make the game worse then it could be.

+ Show Spoiler +

Colosuss being worthless without the entire Protoss army around it, forces death balls, this in late game forces death balls from T an Z to.

"Warp in" is balanced by poor-ish gateway units, this again, forces death balls.

FFs often give "free" advantages eg. FF the enemy ramp to prevent reinforcements. This at no micro cost and very early in the game.

"Charge" gives Zealots "auto micro". This takes away from the game instead of adding.

There are other similar examples with T and Z to. Protoss just has to many of them, that's why it's considered "the easy race"
Head Coach Park: "They should buff tanks!"
Zurichan
Profile Joined March 2012
36 Posts
May 11 2012 23:36 GMT
#691
On May 12 2012 08:31 IshinShishi wrote:
I wonder if Artosis is gonna try to interpret this in a different way, just call him a bronze scrub like he and Tasteless called the people saying that Toss is OP or simply ignore it all together , hehehe.


Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 08:31 WolfintheSheep wrote:

I have absolutely no problem with Flash making balance statements. My issue is with people acting as though his comments actually have weight to them.

He's a new player having a few troubles, and that's about it.


With 400 games just this season and with a win ratio equivalent of 80% NA or 70% EU, he is already beating the likes of Apoc for Christ's sake, get some perspective.


Tastosis does do that. its so funny. But hey, they are Protoss players what do you expect.
UnceL
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland73 Posts
May 11 2012 23:37 GMT
#692
On May 12 2012 08:31 IshinShishi wrote:
I wonder if Artosis is gonna try to interpret this in a different way, just call him a bronze scrub like he and Tasteless called the people saying that Toss is OP or simply ignore it all together , hehehe.


Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 08:31 WolfintheSheep wrote:

I have absolutely no problem with Flash making balance statements. My issue is with people acting as though his comments actually have weight to them.

He's a new player having a few troubles, and that's about it.


With 400 games just this season and with a win ratio equivalent of 80% NA or 70% EU, he is already beating the likes of Apoc for Christ's sake, get some perspective.


Wonder where you got those stats from....

Apart from that, great interview!
Spidinko
Profile Joined May 2010
Slovakia1174 Posts
May 11 2012 23:37 GMT
#693
Great interview. I didn't really know Flash from bw but I kind of like him. He's just a regular player and he's actually humble.
What I don't like about him is his fans. They are so dogmatic about him and call him demigod and stuff. Hopefully that's going to stop. Anyways, I hope he does well in SC2.
Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
May 11 2012 23:37 GMT
#694
jesus.... i dont even know what to feel anymore
Jaedong.
Raid
Profile Joined September 2010
United States398 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 23:38:35
May 11 2012 23:38 GMT
#695
I dont think Protoss players realise that if they convince to Flash that protoss is actually OP then he will switch to it. I mean don't you want Flash on your race's side?

I find it absurd people are taking his balance talk wayyyy too out of context. He was just stating his opinion as a player. Every player has a right to state what they think.

Shame on you people for hating flash for having him state his own opinion. I rather have him state what he really thinks then some BS fake stuff "like ooo him saying I'm not good enough right now to talk about balance. I think I will have to imporve." People just want to eat up that generic shit, but guess what Flash is real baby!
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-11 23:42:59
May 11 2012 23:40 GMT
#696
Man Flash HAS to stick to terran.

If he wants them buffed, do it. Do whatever it takes xD

I read somewhere that alot of the BW Zergs thought Zerg was UP too though.

I actually think they should play more before they can truly tell.

At the same time this is Flash... ^_^
Furthermore, I think the Collosi should be removed! (Zorgaz -Terran/AbrA-Random/Zorg-Dota2) Guineapigs <3
takingbackoj
Profile Joined December 2010
United States684 Posts
May 11 2012 23:42 GMT
#697
On May 12 2012 08:37 Spidinko wrote:
Great interview. I didn't really know Flash from bw but I kind of like him. He's just a regular player and he's actually humble.
What I don't like about him is his fans. They are so dogmatic about him and call him demigod and stuff. Hopefully that's going to stop. Anyways, I hope he does well in SC2.

Hardcore fandom is only a good thing for any sport or competition. Flash fans may go over the top once in awhile but it shows people are somewhat emotionally invested in SC2 as an E-sport.
Get the hell outta here Der Beek, your'e ruining my moment.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37044 Posts
May 11 2012 23:43 GMT
#698
So now that Flash himself admits that P is OP and that T was nerfed too much, could we maybe discuss about it in a civilized manner?
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WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
May 11 2012 23:43 GMT
#699
On May 12 2012 08:31 IshinShishi wrote:
With 400 games just this season and with a win ratio equivalent of 80% NA or 70% EU, he is already beating the likes of Apoc for Christ's sake, get some perspective.

inControl beat Apocalypse in a Team League. How's that for perspective?

And I fail to see how the win ratio is supposed to be meaningful. Battle.net intentionally tries to get you to 50%. Going higher means that you've increased in skill/understanding after so many games, so the matchmaker has to play catch-up.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
LEGAsee
Profile Joined January 2010
170 Posts
May 11 2012 23:44 GMT
#700
On May 12 2012 08:37 Spidinko wrote:
Great interview. I didn't really know Flash from bw but I kind of like him. He's just a regular player and he's actually humble.
What I don't like about him is his fans. They are so dogmatic about him and call him demigod and stuff. Hopefully that's going to stop. Anyways, I hope he does well in SC2.

lol demigod....


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