EPTGive it few months, ya-di-ya and the BW pros should start catching up. Perhaps, HotS will be the equalizer? Either way I am full with hope, but in the long run. Don't really have any expectation yet.
Flash SC2 FPVOD - Page 35
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shadowy
Bulgaria305 Posts
Give it few months, ya-di-ya and the BW pros should start catching up. Perhaps, HotS will be the equalizer? Either way I am full with hope, but in the long run. Don't really have any expectation yet. | ||
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Falcor
Canada894 Posts
On May 12 2012 11:13 FabreCmac wrote: I disagree with you sir. It's true that Flash did not have to fastest hands in the BW scene, but he dominated because of his amazing decision making and "inborn RTS talent." If it were as simple as working the hardest than guys like IdrA would be at the top, progamers who have played 12 hours a day since beta. Saying talent has nothing to do with it is just ludicrous and doesn't make sense when you look at the empirical evidence of practice hours vs. results. Even in an interview done with Hwanni he states explicitly that it was talent that separated the BW greats from the rest of the pack who played the exact same amount as they did. did you just say idra....when he came out in the past and stuff like i really dont need to practise my macro is better then everyone elses, i'll just wait for everyone else to catch up before i have to worry to much. Or I don't need to be in korea, i can train just as good in america and thats where all the money is anyways(this was before the koreans started traveling) | ||
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
EDIT : Someone tell him control groups can be larger than 12.  EDIT 2 : Someone tell him you don't need to hotkey your orbital to 9/0 for scans! | ||
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Siffer
United States467 Posts
It is going to be nasty once he gets in the comfort zone of the game and develops strategies. So much for foreigners having a chance in SC2. | ||
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
also notice he is heavily reliant on marines XD | ||
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Bidj
France98 Posts
On May 12 2012 13:06 Siffer wrote: Have not seen that efficient macro from ANY current SC2 player. No, or you haven't watched a sc2 pro game since the game is out. His macro is obviously good, but there is faaaar better at the moment. | ||
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Siffer
United States467 Posts
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Nabes
Canada1800 Posts
On May 12 2012 13:19 Siffer wrote: who? his macro/multitasking is better than any current SC2 pro.. and this is coming from someone who has watched SC2 since beta. uhh there is plenty of korean terrans that are better atm, you clearly dont watch sc2 at all. | ||
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Cassel_Castle
United States820 Posts
If Moon, Grubby, Happy, and ToD can't continue to be better than Thorzain, Polt, Stephano, and Naniwa, why should Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, and Stork still be better than MVP, MC, NesTea, and MarineKing? | ||
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Fyodor
Canada971 Posts
On May 12 2012 13:17 Bidj wrote: No, or you haven't watched a sc2 pro game since the game is out. His macro is obviously good, but there is faaaar better at the moment. I wouldn't say far better. If his money is low all the time without building ridiculous filler stuff then there is no way to improve on that. The gains in mechanics will show better harassment and general army movement. On May 12 2012 13:26 Cassel_Castle wrote: If you just look at ex-WC3 players as a subset of SC2 players, the top players from WC3 are not the best players in SC2. Why do people expect it to be different with BW players? If Moon, Grubby, Happy, and ToD can't continue to be better than Thorzain, Polt, Stephano, and Naniwa, why should Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, and Stork still be better than MVP, MC, NesTea, and MarineKing? The players you listed ARE ex-BW players dude... all of them come from pro teams. | ||
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Siffer
United States467 Posts
On May 12 2012 13:23 Nabes wrote: uhh there is plenty of korean terrans that are better atm, you clearly dont watch sc2 at all. Name a player? I have seen MKPs FPV and flash looks way cleaner. I will admit that it seems that Flash's strategies seem very dull and bland; however, his fundamentals are transitioning perfectly. As stated previously - once he gets comfortable with the game and hashes out strategies, he will be absolutely nasty. | ||
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PleasureImWallace
Canada45 Posts
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Cassel_Castle
United States820 Posts
On May 12 2012 13:27 Fyodor wrote: I wouldn't say far better. If his money is low all the time without building ridiculous filler stuff then there is no way to improve on that. The gains in mechanics will show better harassment and general army movement. The players you listed ARE ex-BW players dude... all of them come from pro teams. That's my point, the players who are the best in one game won't necessarily be the best when they switch games, even when you only compare them to players who switched from the same game, as we've seen with ex-WC3 players. | ||
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
On May 12 2012 13:26 Cassel_Castle wrote: If you just look at ex-WC3 players as a subset of SC2 players, the top players from WC3 are not the best players in SC2. Why do people expect it to be different with BW players? If Moon, Grubby, Happy, and ToD can't continue to be better than Thorzain, Polt, Stephano, and Naniwa, why should Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, and Stork still be better than MVP, MC, NesTea, and MarineKing? All the Sc2 pros you just named were Brood War B-teamers. They cleaned the toilets in the team house. | ||
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Ryler
Slovenia370 Posts
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Siffer
United States467 Posts
On May 12 2012 13:26 Cassel_Castle wrote: If you just look at ex-WC3 players as a subset of SC2 players, the top players from WC3 are not the best players in SC2. Why do people expect it to be different with BW players? If Moon, Grubby, Happy, and ToD can't continue to be better than Thorzain, Polt, Stephano, and Naniwa, why should Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, and Stork still be better than MVP, MC, NesTea, and MarineKing? I don't think you understand the amount of training S class BW players go through. There is a HUGE jump between A-teamers and S-Class in BW. In WC3, it was very possible for players like Stephano, Naniwa, etc. to take games off players like Grubby, Moon, etc. That shit just doesn't happen in BW. Believe me, I was very skeptical about BW players crushing current SC2 players; however, after seeing this FPVOD and reading different interviews, it seems inevitable. Within a year, I pretty much guarantee that S class BW players will be demolishing any current SC2 superstar. | ||
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OopsOopsBaby
Singapore3425 Posts
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Cassel_Castle
United States820 Posts
On May 12 2012 13:32 Sinensis wrote: All the Sc2 pros you just named were Brood War B-teamers. They cleaned the toilets in the team house. Dude I know that. That's my point. Thorzain, Polt, Stephano, Naniwa, HasuObs, and others rose up from the "toilets" of WC3 to be better than Moon, Grubby, ToD, etc. because it's a completely different game. In WC3, it was very possible for players like Stephano, Naniwa, etc. to take games off players like Grubby, Moon, etc. That shit just doesn't happen in BW. Are you kidding? MVP beat Flash. MC beat Effort. Even Idra, who was way below the levels of everyone else, took practice games off of A-teamers. BW was way more volatile than people remember, no one could maintain a 70%+ winrate in BW just like no one can maintain it in SC2. Besides Flash, all of the "bonjwas" had around a 68%-69% win rate in their period of dominance. That's all it took to be considered the best of the best. In 2010 or 11 I think there were only 5 players with a career 60%+ winrate. 5. | ||
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
On May 12 2012 13:33 Cassel_Castle wrote: Dude I know that. That's my point. Thorzain, Polt, Stephano, Naniwa, HasuObs, and others rose up from the "toilets" of WC3 to be better than Moon, Grubby, ToD, etc. because it's a completely different game. I don't think you know what your point even was because as far as I can see one hasn't been made. | ||
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Wonders
Australia753 Posts
On May 12 2012 13:32 Sinensis wrote: All the Sc2 pros you just named were Brood War B-teamers. They cleaned the toilets in the team house. I think Cassel_Castle is saying that Moon, Grubby, Happy, and Tod are to Thorzain, Polt, Stephano, and Naniwa as Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, and Stork are to MVP, MC, NesTea, and MarineKing. I guess the answer is that SC2 is more similar to BW than it is to WC3 | ||
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