EPTHe will dominate the SC2 scene if he just keeps up with his practice. Because he is the hardest worker out there, and a guy who thinks about the game non-stop. Not because he has faster hands/better reflexes/some inborn RTS talent.
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
He will dominate the SC2 scene if he just keeps up with his practice. Because he is the hardest worker out there, and a guy who thinks about the game non-stop. Not because he has faster hands/better reflexes/some inborn RTS talent. | ||
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SKDN
Sweden243 Posts
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
On May 12 2012 10:17 setzer wrote: Let me guess, MC would also be S-class BW if he was still playing BW right? lol Maybe you should be the one that checks his facts. MMA played his last professional BW in mid 09 a year before SC2 released. He didn't switch because he saw an opportunity for more money he quit because he wasn't good enough to get stage time. Just like all the other B-teamers. Iloveoov: It is regretful what happened with MMA. He knew how to read the game. He was practice partners with Ssak, and he developed very quickly. He entered the military but was injured so he had to return early. I heard he now plays under Boxer and recently won a tournament. | ||
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
On May 12 2012 10:52 petered wrote: It has too many games player for it to be just Flash. 450 games over 3 weeks is like 20 games a day... | ||
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Dontkillme
Korea (South)806 Posts
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
My guess is that Bisu will be the strongest BW switcher out of the gate, and a year from now Flash will be back on top once he's established the same brilliant gamesense in SC2 that he has in BW. Keep in mind that those mines needed to be individually targeted, and that he was playing against Flash. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On May 12 2012 09:42 Alaiz wrote: I noticed and commented. That's why I want replays, it will be so funny to analyze all the little things that a BW pro is doing "wrong" in SC2, but still winning, because of superior mechanics and general starsense (without the proper decision making or metagame understanding). This stuff is pure gold, we are missing.Oh wait, did somebody notice that Flash doesn't know about SCV's auto-repair on the first game? | ||
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FabreCmac
Canada2 Posts
On May 12 2012 10:57 poorcloud wrote: He will be good not because he owns at BW, or because he has this RTS mystery talent that everyone seems to believe in. He will dominate the SC2 scene if he just keeps up with his practice. Because he is the hardest worker out there, and a guy who thinks about the game non-stop. Not because he has faster hands/better reflexes/some inborn RTS talent. I disagree with you sir. It's true that Flash did not have to fastest hands in the BW scene, but he dominated because of his amazing decision making and "inborn RTS talent." If it were as simple as working the hardest than guys like IdrA would be at the top, progamers who have played 12 hours a day since beta. Saying talent has nothing to do with it is just ludicrous and doesn't make sense when you look at the empirical evidence of practice hours vs. results. Even in an interview done with Hwanni he states explicitly that it was talent that separated the BW greats from the rest of the pack who played the exact same amount as they did. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
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BlazeFury01
United States1460 Posts
Kespa's reloved around their players. Doesn't matter if it's SC: Brood War, SC II, or LoL. If they're signed with Kespa they must abide by their rules stated in the contract. | ||
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BlazeFury01
United States1460 Posts
On May 12 2012 11:02 Saechiis wrote: Iloveoov: It is regretful what happened with MMA. He knew how to read the game. He was practice partners with Ssak, and he developed very quickly. He entered the military but was injured so he had to return early. I heard he now plays under Boxer and recently won a tournament. Ssak didn't have much success either so that quote doesn't really say much lol | ||
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petered
United States1817 Posts
On May 12 2012 10:57 poorcloud wrote: He will be good not because he owns at BW, or because he has this RTS mystery talent that everyone seems to believe in. He will dominate the SC2 scene if he just keeps up with his practice. Because he is the hardest worker out there, and a guy who thinks about the game non-stop. Not because he has faster hands/better reflexes/some inborn RTS talent. Like I said, whatever you believe makes you good at RTS, Flash has it. You stated that hard work is the only factor. Great for you, I won't disagree. Flash is then the hardest worker and it will transfer over to SC2. That is my point: whatever it was, it is going to translate. | ||
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BlazeFury01
United States1460 Posts
On May 12 2012 10:30 FlyingDike wrote: High masters without mules... I think he will be GM before proleague finals That just might be it though, you may not even need to use Mules as much as people use them. I have seen a lot of players lose because they refuse to scan before they attack. | ||
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CCa1ss1e
Canada3231 Posts
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
On May 12 2012 11:13 FabreCmac wrote: I disagree with you sir. It's true that Flash did not have to fastest hands in the BW scene, but he dominated because of his amazing decision making and "inborn RTS talent." If it were as simple as working the hardest than guys like IdrA would be at the top, progamers who have played 12 hours a day since beta. Saying talent has nothing to do with it is just ludicrous and doesn't make sense when you look at the empirical evidence of practice hours vs. results. Even in an interview done with Hwanni he states explicitly that it was talent that separated the BW greats from the rest of the pack who played the exact same amount as they did. Well theres a difference between mindlessly playing games and playing each game and living the game and thinking about all the potential scenarios in your head. Perhaps flash is the hardest and smartest worker out there. He got his decision making through thinking about the game all the time. I read a few of his BW interviews and he literally lives the game 24 hrs everyday, playing games in his head and going through all potential scenarios that could happen. Visual training provides a significant amount of benefit as well according to studies. I don't think any other pro-gamer is able to do what flash does, living the game literally almost every hour of their life. Maybe thats called talent, i think its just passion and smart work to me. | ||
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Snoodles
401 Posts
On May 12 2012 11:13 FabreCmac wrote: I disagree with you sir. It's true that Flash did not have to fastest hands in the BW scene, but he dominated because of his amazing decision making and "inborn RTS talent." If it were as simple as working the hardest than guys like IdrA would be at the top, progamers who have played 12 hours a day since beta. Saying talent has nothing to do with it is just ludicrous and doesn't make sense when you look at the empirical evidence of practice hours vs. results. Even in an interview done with Hwanni he states explicitly that it was talent that separated the BW greats from the rest of the pack who played the exact same amount as they did. Please not this tired old debate again. Just because two players are working 12 hours a day doesn't mean they are training the same way, or have the same attitude. The best coaches and training buddies plus hard work are what separate the outliers. If you watch idra he just BM's and calls his opponent bad if he uses a strat he's not expecting. Talent is just this mystical thing like the soul that relies on circular logic. You can only say someone is talented because they're talented. You can't really define talent or isolate as some sort of brain structure. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
On May 12 2012 11:07 Hinanawi wrote: For impressive FPVODs, Bisu is the guy you're going to want to look out for. Flash's dominance was always because of his amazing decision-making, not his multitasking. His hands are fast, but nowhere near the fastest. My guess is that Bisu will be the strongest BW switcher out of the gate, and a year from now Flash will be back on top once he's established the same brilliant gamesense in SC2 that he has in BW. Keep in mind that those mines needed to be individually targeted, and that he was playing against Flash. Seen that clip before, I thought it was good micro but didn't realise the thing about the mines being targetted. Mind blown! | ||
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imperator-xy
Germany1377 Posts
On May 12 2012 11:13 FabreCmac wrote: I disagree with you sir. It's true that Flash did not have to fastest hands in the BW scene, but he dominated because of his amazing decision making and "inborn RTS talent." If it were as simple as working the hardest than guys like IdrA would be at the top, progamers who have played 12 hours a day since beta. Saying talent has nothing to do with it is just ludicrous and doesn't make sense when you look at the empirical evidence of practice hours vs. results. Even in an interview done with Hwanni he states explicitly that it was talent that separated the BW greats from the rest of the pack who played the exact same amount as they did. during beta and right after sc2 release idra has actually been at the top, i think he has even been the best player of the world for some weeks. after he traded to EG his skill started to slowly fade away. i guess he didnt practise as much as he did before in the CJ house. im pretty sure i have read some quotations from progamers stating that Bisu, Jaedong and Flash became that good because they practised more than the other players | ||
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IceSlipper
Australia1028 Posts
On May 12 2012 11:13 FabreCmac wrote: I disagree with you sir. It's true that Flash did not have to fastest hands in the BW scene, but he dominated because of his amazing decision making and "inborn RTS talent." If it were as simple as working the hardest than guys like IdrA would be at the top, progamers who have played 12 hours a day since beta. Saying talent has nothing to do with it is just ludicrous and doesn't make sense when you look at the empirical evidence of practice hours vs. results. Even in an interview done with Hwanni he states explicitly that it was talent that separated the BW greats from the rest of the pack who played the exact same amount as they did. lol'd.. you think idra is even in the category of hardest working players? there's about 400 koreans training their asses off twice as hard as idra.. The interview you speak of where hwanni says its talent that separates the good from the great is because at the very top, they are all the hardest workers, if they weren't they wouldnt be there, so yes talent plays a part but only at the very top where you aren't the only one busting your guts out to be the best.. | ||
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Flamingo777
United States1190 Posts
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