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bowenkhong
Profile Joined August 2010
Singapore43 Posts
May 12 2012 02:39 GMT
#661
On May 12 2012 11:13 FabreCmac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 10:57 poorcloud wrote:
He will be good not because he owns at BW, or because he has this RTS mystery talent that everyone seems to believe in.

He will dominate the SC2 scene if he just keeps up with his practice. Because he is the hardest worker out there, and a guy who thinks about the game non-stop. Not because he has faster hands/better reflexes/some inborn RTS talent.


I disagree with you sir. It's true that Flash did not have to fastest hands in the BW scene, but he dominated because of his amazing decision making and "inborn RTS talent." If it were as simple as working the hardest than guys like IdrA would be at the top, progamers who have played 12 hours a day since beta. Saying talent has nothing to do with it is just ludicrous and doesn't make sense when you look at the empirical evidence of practice hours vs. results. Even in an interview done with Hwanni he states explicitly that it was talent that separated the BW greats from the rest of the pack who played the exact same amount as they did.


Saying talent is all he does, is like implement an attitude of fix mind set, ahhh shit this is how I born with and I can't change anything. Come on when come to complex staff and activity, talent is really noting to do much with it and there's quite a lot of research shows that talent is irreverent when come to the highest level of play. Talent is just an illusion of deliberate practise/
You win the game may not because you're good, is just that your opponent didn't played well enought.
iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-12 02:41:59
May 12 2012 02:41 GMT
#662
foxmulder_ms
Profile Joined February 2011
United States140 Posts
May 12 2012 02:45 GMT
#663
Not impressed, yes I said it!!!
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-12 02:51:53
May 12 2012 02:47 GMT
#664
It's like watching Bruce Lee doing ballet.

EDIT: And what happened to Flash's legendary practice regimen? There's a starleague on!
almond
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
115 Posts
May 12 2012 02:47 GMT
#665
People need to stop having such huge expectations. He's talented no doubt, but only with years of playing started at a young age did he get so good.

SC2 is such a different game that much of the mechanics don't even transfer over. Game sense/timing will start from 0. I think he said it will take him 3 years to be as good as he was in BW. I think that might be A BIT optimistic (he's played BW for like twice that amount of time, and now he also has that wrist problem..), but I'd be pretty happy if he did.

Good thing Flash has a great attitude, otherwise he'd crumble to all this pressure.
Snoodles
Profile Joined March 2012
401 Posts
May 12 2012 02:48 GMT
#666


Saying talent is all he does, is like implement an attitude of fix mind set, ahhh shit this is how I born with and I can't change anything. Come on when come to complex staff and activity, talent is really noting to do much with it and there's quite a lot of research shows that talent is irreverent when come to the highest level of play. Talent is just an illusion of deliberate practise/


I think that talent is inside a person's body right next to the soul, behind their chi. Have you ever seen a talent? All talented people are talented because they're talented, otherwise they wouldn't be talented. They got talented because they're talented.
VeNoM HaZ Skill
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1528 Posts
May 12 2012 02:48 GMT
#667
On May 12 2012 11:39 bowenkhong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 11:13 FabreCmac wrote:
On May 12 2012 10:57 poorcloud wrote:
He will be good not because he owns at BW, or because he has this RTS mystery talent that everyone seems to believe in.

He will dominate the SC2 scene if he just keeps up with his practice. Because he is the hardest worker out there, and a guy who thinks about the game non-stop. Not because he has faster hands/better reflexes/some inborn RTS talent.


I disagree with you sir. It's true that Flash did not have to fastest hands in the BW scene, but he dominated because of his amazing decision making and "inborn RTS talent." If it were as simple as working the hardest than guys like IdrA would be at the top, progamers who have played 12 hours a day since beta. Saying talent has nothing to do with it is just ludicrous and doesn't make sense when you look at the empirical evidence of practice hours vs. results. Even in an interview done with Hwanni he states explicitly that it was talent that separated the BW greats from the rest of the pack who played the exact same amount as they did.


Saying talent is all he does, is like implement an attitude of fix mind set, ahhh shit this is how I born with and I can't change anything. Come on when come to complex staff and activity, talent is really noting to do much with it and there's quite a lot of research shows that talent is irreverent when come to the highest level of play. Talent is just an illusion of deliberate practise/

I can't tell if this is a lie or sheer ignorance. If it's the latter then congrats; they always said ignorance is bliss, so you must be very, very happy.
#1 MMA fan! I like you too Taeja. Still patiently waiting for the Crown Prince to become the King.
Snoodles
Profile Joined March 2012
401 Posts
May 12 2012 02:52 GMT
#668

I can't tell if this is a lie or sheer ignorance. If it's the latter then congrats; they always said ignorance is bliss, so you must be very, very happy.


There's more evidence to suggest that Flash is one of the hardest working people on the planet, working with some of the best practice partners and best trainers on the planet, than there is evidence to suggest that he is the most talented. Talent is this imaginary thing that people bring up whenever they can't explain where performance comes from.
imperator-xy
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Germany1377 Posts
May 12 2012 02:57 GMT
#669
On May 12 2012 11:52 Snoodles wrote:
Show nested quote +

I can't tell if this is a lie or sheer ignorance. If it's the latter then congrats; they always said ignorance is bliss, so you must be very, very happy.


There's more evidence to suggest that Flash is one of the hardest working people on the planet, working with some of the best practice partners and best trainers on the planet, than there is evidence to suggest that he is the most talented. Talent is this imaginary thing that people bring up whenever they can't explain where performance comes from.

yeah, especially americans like to use talent as an excuse for other people being better than themselves
nakedsurfer
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada500 Posts
May 12 2012 03:08 GMT
#670
He's really good for the amount of time he has been playing this game.Like Flash said himself though is that it'll take him a few years to become god-like at sc2. It'll actually even longer than he thinks though just because of the expansions and how the game will change because of them in the next while.

Root4Root
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
May 12 2012 03:10 GMT
#671
Flash is talented, but his success is a result of VERY hard work. Being talented is just a head start, it's not worth anything unless you put in the work.

Then again, I guess you could argue that being able to train that efficiently for such extended periods of time is a talent in itself. It's all about how you define "talent".
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
May 12 2012 03:12 GMT
#672
It's like giving Picasso crayons.
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
Blennd
Profile Joined April 2011
United States266 Posts
May 12 2012 03:12 GMT
#673
On May 12 2012 11:52 Snoodles wrote:
Show nested quote +

I can't tell if this is a lie or sheer ignorance. If it's the latter then congrats; they always said ignorance is bliss, so you must be very, very happy.


There's more evidence to suggest that Flash is one of the hardest working people on the planet, working with some of the best practice partners and best trainers on the planet, than there is evidence to suggest that he is the most talented. Talent is this imaginary thing that people bring up whenever they can't explain where performance comes from.


Then how do you explain the fact that all his teammates who also practice 12 hours a day in virtually identical conditions are much worse than him?
-HellZerg-
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States409 Posts
May 12 2012 03:14 GMT
#674
Wow, Flash's mechanics is so ridiculously good and super fast! D: Thanks for the videos.
We are what we repeatedly do; excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit. - Aristotle
Grohg
Profile Joined March 2011
United States243 Posts
May 12 2012 03:15 GMT
#675
On May 12 2012 12:08 nakedsurfer wrote:
He's really good for the amount of time he has been playing this game.Like Flash said himself though is that it'll take him a few years to become god-like at sc2. It'll actually even longer than he thinks though just because of the expansions and how the game will change because of them in the next while.



If anything, those expansions/changest will help him and the BW players bridge the gap. They won't have to play catch up with current SC2 progamers in regards to the new units and styles. They have while to develop a good feel for the game now and once the expansions come out, they will be among the top players who can develop HotS strategies. Expansions aren't a complete reset but they should definitely bring everyone's level of play closer together.
You can't spell slaughter without laughter.
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
May 12 2012 03:21 GMT
#676
On May 12 2012 10:24 jinorazi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 01:50 zomgE wrote:
On May 12 2012 01:41 MegaFonzie wrote:
Well since they're just going to show you a picture of his screen I guess they aren't trying too hard to hide his profile.

http://sc2ranks.com/kr/3479253/lllllll

lol ofc barcode.


^^^ lol

its obviously the guy on the right, flash NEVER 14cc if i recall correctly, after getting beat by jaedong's proxy 2 gate.


Hmm....
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
FabreCmac
Profile Joined May 2012
Canada2 Posts
May 12 2012 03:29 GMT
#677
On May 12 2012 12:10 zodde wrote:
Flash is talented, but his success is a result of VERY hard work. Being talented is just a head start, it's not worth anything unless you put in the work.

Then again, I guess you could argue that being able to train that efficiently for such extended periods of time is a talent in itself. It's all about how you define "talent".



Exactly, i'm not trying to argue that Flash is just talented and that's the only reason he dominated in BW. I'm saying that the reason that Flash was better than his team mates who practiced in almost identical conditions was and is because he is more "talented" then them when it comes to BW.

I guarantee that you can find BW progamers who practiced more than Flash with better practice partners, and yet they still weren't as good. Why? Talent.

Hard work gets you to the top, but it is talent that gets you to #1.

I believe that talent should be classified in terms of what you're doing. In terms of SC, talent would therefore be the ability to focus for long periods of time, make inferences and strong critical thinking skills.

Obviously hard work is more important than talent; however, if the work done is equivalent, than talent is the only separating factor.
Battles are won by slaughter and maneuver. The greater the general, the more he contributes in maneuver, the less he demands in slaughter
Zariel
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia1312 Posts
May 12 2012 03:43 GMT
#678
The 2 short clips don't really tell me much at this stage. Like any other progamer, he keeps up production, scv, supply and infrastructure throughout the game, but there's definitely no stellar micro I could point out.
sup
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
May 12 2012 03:44 GMT
#679
After watching these two clips; what a waste of talent this is.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
dreamsmasher
Profile Joined November 2010
816 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-12 03:51:25
May 12 2012 03:47 GMT
#680
On May 12 2012 11:39 bowenkhong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 11:13 FabreCmac wrote:
On May 12 2012 10:57 poorcloud wrote:
He will be good not because he owns at BW, or because he has this RTS mystery talent that everyone seems to believe in.

He will dominate the SC2 scene if he just keeps up with his practice. Because he is the hardest worker out there, and a guy who thinks about the game non-stop. Not because he has faster hands/better reflexes/some inborn RTS talent.


I disagree with you sir. It's true that Flash did not have to fastest hands in the BW scene, but he dominated because of his amazing decision making and "inborn RTS talent." If it were as simple as working the hardest than guys like IdrA would be at the top, progamers who have played 12 hours a day since beta. Saying talent has nothing to do with it is just ludicrous and doesn't make sense when you look at the empirical evidence of practice hours vs. results. Even in an interview done with Hwanni he states explicitly that it was talent that separated the BW greats from the rest of the pack who played the exact same amount as they did.


Saying talent is all he does, is like implement an attitude of fix mind set, ahhh shit this is how I born with and I can't change anything. Come on when come to complex staff and activity, talent is really noting to do much with it and there's quite a lot of research shows that talent is irreverent when come to the highest level of play. Talent is just an illusion of deliberate practise/


what. uh talent has nothing to do with your success until you reach the top, but from there yes, talent is important.

that's like saying if you try really really hard, you can become the next newton or einstein or that people of average IQ who try really really hard can master theoretical physics. it isn't true.

there's a big difference between subjectively saying 'oh well he's talented, i can never catch up' and using that as an excuse, and saying that objectively, one variable (talent) is what separates one from another given all else equal (hard work).

research is generally based on samples, and you need sufficient sample size, what happens when your sample is one or two, or five? or when your sampling that can be done is so infrequent that you cannot obtain good results (because that is the the idea of someone who is actually talented, there are only a 'few' of them)
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